To wonder if 'Big Food' are up in arms about weight loss injections?

How is it addiction. I’m on blood pressure meds, no one says I’m an addict?

Weight gain isn't just about poor food/too much food though, I don't think. Lifestyle and sedentary occupations play a part too plus availability of things like sporting facilities and the cost of gym memberships.

So you are changing an addiction to food to an addiction to the drug? Isn't the point to train your eating habits and then get off the drugs? What will be the effects of taking these drugs for life? They are not risk free which is why they are on prescription and only prescribed for people with serious health problems due to their weight.

For diabetics, who have a very specific physiological condition. There hasn't been the same long-term research into people using them just for weight loss.

They'll probably start producing their own injections and 'diet plan foods' alongside their crap food to cover all areas of the market, plus the 'health' junk food they already make.

prices will plummet as patents expire.

I initially read that as "...as patients expire."

I had to cut down carbohydrates after a high HbA1c measurement (suggestive of type 2 diabetes). As my eating & shopping habits have changed I've become more & more aware of the mountains of crisps, cakes, biscuits & chocolate everyone has to pass through in a regular supermarket visit. And it's 100 times worse in convenience stores, where everything apart from junk is pushed to the back of the shop.

Much longer actually. All in nearly 4 decades of data.

…you have no idea if there will be any long term side effects. These drugs have been in use for about 10 years, so I think side-effects may well have made themselves know.

What I do know, is that there are many proven side effects of Obesity, so let’s treat what we know, and not pander to your fantasy side-effects.

Again, no. These drugs have been in use for 20 odd years under different guises and in testing for 15 before that.

There is a shift towards it being taken as long term medication like statins. A pill form is being developed and prices will plummet as patents expire.

I agree that at some point Big Food are going to say "hang on, we don't like the idea of everyone using these injections and denting our profits" and they'll put pressure on governments like ours not to roll them out to general public. They'll demand that availability is kept to a strict criteria of diabetics and the most clinically obese etc. Plus Big Pharma aren't stupid – they're not going to roll out an injection or pill that will cure the world's obesity either, because how would they make their money after that? They'll just keep making them effective enough to guarantee repeat customers for decades to come, like WeightWatchers and Slimming World.

Genuine concern for people's health barely factors at all.

And then think about how much the side effects are going to cost to treat at scale - organ damage, cancer, all the as yet unknown long term risks since it's not been around long. Very few medications are actually safe to take for an entire lifetime.

I've been wondering this too.

Will we see a contraction in the fast food everywhere culture.

I'm sure it will be replaced with something else but it will be interesting to see the effect.

I think we've also normalised bigger body shapes and portion sizes. Even for those not on weight loss injections this may have an impact. I really hope it helps children and they don't end up in the overweight cycle in the first place (or at least less so).

The concern is that it further widens the class divide in terms of those who can afford and those who can't.

I expect restaurants and manufacturers to focus more on small portion / “health” etc items, to appeal to this new market.

Um no, when you’re wrong just put your hands up and own it. Rather than lashing out.

My behaviour has entirely changed. I am nothing like I was before, and I've been off it for 6 months now.

What makes your 2 stone weight loss and being able to keep it off any different to mounjaro weight loss while people are building new habits whilst on it?

I also exercised pre MJ, while taking MJ, and post MJ.

It explains your unbiased aggression.

I was thinking about this the other day (Mounjaro user) and the amount of junk food I have bought has cut down massively since starting, I used to buy a lot of “100 calorie treat” typed snacks, which I now just don’t want or need. So they are definitely getting less money for me. I think we will see more “health foods”, there are already a lot of foods claiming to be high in protein which when you look into it properly are not actually that high. Perhaps Big Food and Big Pharma will work together and we’ll all spend 6 months on WLI from Big Pharma, then come off and then spend 6 months buying crap from Big Food then go back on WLI 🤣

I finished taking WLI 14 weeks ago, after losing 3.5 stone. I’ve absolutely stuck to the excellent habits I implemented while taking WLI, I put on less than 1lb over Christmas and am already back to normal as I returned to my good eating habits the day after Boxing Day.

They won't need to be on the SAME dose, so for example I'm on 10mg at the moment and I'm approaching a healthy bmi.

Once I'm at the right weight for me I can do two injections a month instead of the current 5. So the cost would be about £40 (you can't actually buy 2 injections so this is all theory)

My current medications cost the nhs that for me not to have thyroid/diabetes/menopause issues (that would actually prevent me working and paying tax at the rate I do as I'd be unwell and have to go part time again!

If we look at the big societal picture and imagine a healthier society paying more tax, doing more exercise, not being such a drain on the nhs and freeing it up for other people then we can see how much better things can be.

Added to which the pill for GLP is on the way and it's going to revolutionise how we do it at the moment and become a lot cheaper.

What’s the fact I’m on the injections got to do with the discussion. You clearly are not well informed based on what you asked.

I'm perfectly well informed thank you. I assume you are either on the injections or want the injections given the aggressive nature of your posts

I’m stunned at how uninformed you are.

please do some critical thinking. Spend some time understating how much obesity costs the nhs, joint replacements, diabetes, heart attack, stroke, to name a few, and then correlate that against the cost of the drugs. And then apply some thought to how many billions you’d save v a fraction of that cost to keep folks on the drugs.

jist think about it.

And who is going to pay for it? The idea of giving the injections out to obese people is to save the NHS money