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CompleteOvaryAction · 04/01/2025 00:29

DH and I are planning a big birthday party in the near future - live music , catering, marquis etc, for a joint "big 0" birthday.
Our DS will be in his third year as a music student and we mentioned we'd like his band to play for some of the evening. He wants us to pay him going rate for his services.
I feel that, for close family you waive your professional fee (we'd expect to pay his band mates) but he's adamant he wants paying too.
It feels like he doesn't appreciate that he's only where he is now because we have funded him. Whilst we don't expect "payback" it would be nice if he thought to acknowledge our help with a gesture of his time for our special celebration.
Is this just his inexperience talking? should we stand our ground, or does he have a point?
I'd rather not have him play, and just have him there as a guest if he insists on charging to play. What do you think?

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KeepDancing74 · 08/01/2025 14:16

"...he doesn't appreciate that he's only where he is now because we have funded him."

He possibly 'appreciates' this all too well, and imagines you wouldn't want him to waste your money buying gifts for you.

Also, he's 'where he is now' because of talent and a great deal of hard work. As parents, we can pay for music lessons for our children, buy their instruments and ferry them to lessons and practice sessions, but only they can put in the many hours of practice it takes to be a great musician.

Smallsalt · 07/01/2025 23:00

Ponoka7 · 04/01/2025 00:31

So you'd pay the rest of the band, just not him?
I don't think that there should be mates rates and freebies, when supplying professional services.

I was a professional musican and never once charged immediate family or wider family for any performance, and I did many.

Tourmalines · 07/01/2025 22:57

EauNeu · 07/01/2025 21:46

Look I'm just gonna repeat myself because I don't think people are getting this
When you're a musician it's always something. Your parents, Sisters, brothers, cousins, aunties, uncles, your friends, parents friends, someone's having a birthday...50th, 51st, 52nd, an anniversary, it's new year, it's Christmas, it's a barbecue, a christening, a wedding, leaving do. People always want music but not enough to pay for it. It's so bad to set a precedent of giving freebies because then it's "but you did it last time"..."but it's my best friend... You don't want to embarrass me do you"

What nonsense. He had no problem telling his mother he EXPECTED to be paid so therefore I’m sure he can find the courage to tell anyone else the same .

BonneMaman77 · 07/01/2025 22:04

If you can treat this objectively, then look through a few bands and pick the one you prefer. If it’s your DS then pay him. We pay ours when we ask them to do work so that they’ll do take it seriously and do the work properly.

How old is your DS and does he live with you or do you still in any way find him now? Eh if he owes you for fees/ room rent/ food bills then charge him for those in future.

I can understand your side tho, especially that the immediate response was about payment
not even about preferences! and other behaviours you seem to have issues on.

MartinCrieffsLemon · 07/01/2025 22:02

latetothefisting · 07/01/2025 21:38

um, yes, most people do only turn 50 (or whatever '0') OP is turning, once in their lives, that's sort of how the passage of time works?

The very fact you have mentioned being more than one "0" birthday it could be kinda makes the point it's not a one off

EauNeu · 07/01/2025 21:46

latetothefisting · 07/01/2025 21:38

um, yes, most people do only turn 50 (or whatever '0') OP is turning, once in their lives, that's sort of how the passage of time works?

Look I'm just gonna repeat myself because I don't think people are getting this
When you're a musician it's always something. Your parents, Sisters, brothers, cousins, aunties, uncles, your friends, parents friends, someone's having a birthday...50th, 51st, 52nd, an anniversary, it's new year, it's Christmas, it's a barbecue, a christening, a wedding, leaving do. People always want music but not enough to pay for it. It's so bad to set a precedent of giving freebies because then it's "but you did it last time"..."but it's my best friend... You don't want to embarrass me do you"

Thepurplepig · 07/01/2025 21:40

Ponoka7 · 04/01/2025 00:31

So you'd pay the rest of the band, just not him?
I don't think that there should be mates rates and freebies, when supplying professional services.

So you would expect your parents to pay you for lifts and general help around the house when they’re older. Do not say it’s different because it’s not.

latetothefisting · 07/01/2025 21:38

EauNeu · 06/01/2025 20:44

Yeah those famous one off events, birthdays

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um, yes, most people do only turn 50 (or whatever '0') OP is turning, once in their lives, that's sort of how the passage of time works?

CakeByTheSea · 07/01/2025 17:48

Mum of a musician here.
Music college is not really like uni, they are expected to be out there performing and earning as well as being taught and mentored, it is part of the learning process and it is drummed into them that they must be super careful about doing things for free, the Musicians Union is very protective of musicians. So it’s a bit unfair to label them as ‘just students’. And his immediate reaction sounds very much like he is quoting what the MU had told them.
For my son, parties like this are his workplace, a lot of pre gig rehearsal is needed, transport costs and turning down other work have to be factored in, it’s never a case of turn up and play. So he would much rather be a guest at a big family party than working, where he can’t drink or catch up with family. However as he is a generous man, he would probably not charge us but expect the rest of the band to be paid full whack.
Would you expect a chef son to cook everything for nothing and be stuck in the kitchen while the rest of the family party? My first instinct would be to want my son at the party having fun, not working.
The issue of him never having bought a present is a separate issue that needs addressing but not in the context of this party.

BIossomtoes · 07/01/2025 11:09

Jovilady22 · 07/01/2025 10:21

Not sure if this has already been said, but I think I’d say we’re paying your band mates to play but as you’ve never brought us a Christmas or birthday present we thought this might be your gift to us. If we don’t hire you, yes we expect a lovely gift from you instead

You pay the whole band or not at all. Most bands split the fee equally among its members.

Jovilady22 · 07/01/2025 10:21

Not sure if this has already been said, but I think I’d say we’re paying your band mates to play but as you’ve never brought us a Christmas or birthday present we thought this might be your gift to us. If we don’t hire you, yes we expect a lovely gift from you instead

Franjipanl8r · 07/01/2025 00:09

It’s just a situation where you both stand to be insulted - you if he charges and him if you don’t pay him. Don’t mix business and pleasure!!

Tourmalines · 06/01/2025 20:50

EauNeu · 06/01/2025 20:44

Yeah those famous one off events, birthdays

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A big special one for his PARENTS only and probably never another.

BIossomtoes · 06/01/2025 20:49

OldMam · 06/01/2025 04:54

I think you should pay your son and his band the going rate.

Me too.

EauNeu · 06/01/2025 20:44

Tourmalines · 06/01/2025 20:38

What part of once off gig for his parents special birthday event don’t you get . I’d hardly call doing something lovely for your parents a freebie . What he does with every other Tom Dick or Harry is up to him .This will not cost him his future .

Yeah those famous one off events, birthdays

Tourmalines · 06/01/2025 20:38

EauNeu · 06/01/2025 11:41

When you're a musician everyone wants a freebie. So yes it would.

Aside from which if this is a weekend night he could be losing actual paid work to do this.

What part of once off gig for his parents special birthday event don’t you get . I’d hardly call doing something lovely for your parents a freebie . What he does with every other Tom Dick or Harry is up to him .This will not cost him his future .

MartinCrieffsLemon · 06/01/2025 19:17

OP have you asked him to perform for free before?
Because I can imagine he would immediately ask for payment if he's used to being expected to give out freebies

(And it wouldn't be just one event. because then Auntie would be like "Your mother said you did it for free. Why can't you do ours for free too?" Etc)

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 06/01/2025 18:38

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 06/01/2025 18:37

I used to be in a band pre kids and we're booked for events by friends.
We offered them a cheaper rate to the usual 'event fee'.
Bands will charge £1k+ for functions and we literally did it for £200 because they were a good friend to the band.
I would offer my own solo service for free to my mum (my band would have done it for free also but they are a lot older than your son with a lot more life and music experience) but I wouldn't expect others to do so.
Have you asked how much they would charge?
I do understand why your upset but I'd suck it up if you want to give them exposure and pay them.

Just wanted to add that other functions we charged £800-£1500 depending on location and there were 5 of us

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 06/01/2025 18:37

I used to be in a band pre kids and we're booked for events by friends.
We offered them a cheaper rate to the usual 'event fee'.
Bands will charge £1k+ for functions and we literally did it for £200 because they were a good friend to the band.
I would offer my own solo service for free to my mum (my band would have done it for free also but they are a lot older than your son with a lot more life and music experience) but I wouldn't expect others to do so.
Have you asked how much they would charge?
I do understand why your upset but I'd suck it up if you want to give them exposure and pay them.

PeachyPeachTrees · 06/01/2025 17:40

He should do it as a birthday present for you both. But the problem is that he never gets either of you any presents, so that's why he hasn't offered. He is used to only taking from you, that's the bigger problem.

saraclara · 06/01/2025 14:27

The vast majority of posters are still not understanding what actually happened. OP might well have paid him had it not been for the way the conversation went (which I wish she'd put in the OP so that people 'got it')

The conversation went:
Me: DS, will you play at our party?
DS: Yes, but I expect to be paid.
Me: Oh, I thought you might just do it cos we're your Mum and Dad.
DS: That's not fair on me.

That his instant response to the question was about money, is what is a punch to the stomach.

Askingforafriendtoday · 06/01/2025 13:46

'I have hesitated to have the conversation re gifts as it rather defeats the point to ask for a gift but maybe I could get an auntie or friend to mention it and see if the penny drops.
That's separate from the party/band/payment question of course, although springing from the same attitude I think.'

I think the gift thing is odd, OP, but I would tackle it yourself, much more hurtful for him to know you've talked to friends or one of his aunties about this.

I think you should pay the band their going rate and be proud of the fact that they're trying to make it as musicians, very churlish and hurtful to him (again) to flounce off and hire professionals, tad childish, imo, sorry! Seems your DH sees your son's point. People usually/often pay family brickies, sparkies, plumbers etc.
It should be a fun evening for all

Nantescalling · 06/01/2025 13:31

JustKeepSwimmingJust · 04/01/2025 00:30

If it was just him you might have a good point. How well do you know his band members? Should they also give up an evening to do their job for free?

She said : we'd expect to pay his band mates

Vanishedwillow · 06/01/2025 13:17

For all the people saying he should be paid, this isn’t just about whether musicians get the pay they deserve (just like writers and artists, the answer is usually that they’re not - the arts industry isn’t financially recognised in the same way as other businesses).
However in this case it seems OP’s DS is one of life’s takers, and therefore there’s a much bigger lesson to be learned for him here. If it was me, I’d have a proper chat about the importance of generosity and selflessness, book a different band and invite him as a guest.

pollymere · 06/01/2025 12:41

I stopped singing professionally because of all the family that expected freebies. You possibly should have let him offer to play as his present to you.

I might have sung one song at my parent's birthday but actually enjoying the party would've been more important to me. This may be his awkward way of saying that you're asking him to work really hard for free and not get to enjoy the party - what exactly does he get out of that?