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Elderly dad and wife expect me to care for her

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Adrienne23 · 04/01/2025 00:10

My dad left home for his now wife of 50 years when I was 8 years old and they by and large lived their own very comfortable lives together, seeing me around 4 times a year until my teens, then we saw very little of one and other aside from speak on the phone twice a month or so. My mother raised me in relative poverty with not much financial support from my dad at the time he used to claim he didn’t have the means and we only discovered in recent years that he and his wife were far better off than they said they were. My mother passed away nearly 10 years ago from a long illness and I was her main support, although she tried very hard to maintain her independence and not lean on me unless absolutely necessary mainly in order to protect my emotional and physical well being.
I started to see more of my dad since my mothers death and increased communication considerably during lockdown. In the past few months his wife has been diagnosed with cancer and they now both absolutely expect me to provide all sorts of support and care for them both as my dad’s health is also poor. I am starting to feeling incredibly resentful. I worked hard on myself following my mother’s death, getting a new job, social life, etc, but I am still deeply affected by the loss. The level of support my dad and his wife expect from me far exceeds the support my mum expected (or received) from me, I get calls and messages about the health condition of both, several times a day irrespective of what I am doing, demands to drive to and from appointments, visit the house, messages that seem urgent and can’t wait only to just want to chat about themselves, and so on. How can I draw boundaries now before I am completely consumed by them and their needs to the detriment of my own?

OP posts:
Heronwatcher · 04/01/2025 10:42

I’d just be very clear but factual, I can’t do that today because [work/ kids/ other things]. Leave them with details of taxi firms, age concern, adult social care etc. In lots of places you can also access sort of neighbourhood support for elderly care, which might also be an option. You can also obviously get carers or a PA to help but clearly they can organise that themselves if they want.

I have an 83 year old relative and have to draw similar boundaries. She knows I will help in an absolute emergency, but I can’t be there every week.

If they moan/ guilt trip suggest they consider supported living.

ChristmasCwtch · 04/01/2025 10:42

BoxOfCats · 04/01/2025 00:23

Just be unavailable. "Sorry, I'm not available to help with that, you'll need to make alternative arrangements." If they bombard you with calls and messages, just ignore them and respond when it's convenient. Tell them you are busy but you will call them on xxx day (whenever actually suits you). They will get the message eventually.

This is the perfect response. Repeat and repeat again.

I wouldn’t go into the past. Just leave it at you aren’t available.

ButterCrackers · 04/01/2025 10:39

StuntNun · 04/01/2025 10:31

My uncle and aunt cared for my grandmother when she became too infirm to live independently and charged her a monthly salary for doing so. Hmm Maybe that's something you could suggest to your dad and step-mum, given the circumstances.

A monthly salary means expectations and actually doing caring and being on call. This would work in other family circumstances but not for the OP.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/01/2025 10:38

ArrowofPersuasian · 04/01/2025 10:20

If they have attendance allowance

You can claim carers allowance, but you can only work part time & still claim it

You need to be clear to them about how much time & money you have to give them

They may need to buy in extra help & care

She can only claim carers allowance if she’s caring for the person claiming AA for at least 35 hours a week. Carers allowance doesn’t stop you from working full time but you cannot earn more than £196 per week. Why would OP want to bake herself into a position where she is responsible for what amounts to over four eight hour days worth of care every week for the paltry sum of £82, as well as working and having an earnings limit ? For people who have the means to organise their own care ?

thepariscrimefiles · 04/01/2025 10:37

ArrowofPersuasian · 04/01/2025 10:20

If they have attendance allowance

You can claim carers allowance, but you can only work part time & still claim it

You need to be clear to them about how much time & money you have to give them

They may need to buy in extra help & care

Hopefully OP will decide that the amount of time and money she has to give to these people is zero.

I'm sure that you are only giving OP some practical advice and information, but it sort of sounds as though you think it would be reasonable for OP to provide care for these disgusting people and to work part-time and claim carer's allowance in order to do so.

smurfette1818 · 04/01/2025 10:35

Miloarmadillo2 · 04/01/2025 09:50

I also think this is a perfect response. What level of support would you offer to a distant elderly relative ?

Phone them fortnightly to have a chat, during which you can helpfully suggest other solutions for any practical issues that have arisen, but don’t get sucked in.

It’s very telling that your mum, who had sacrificed a huge amount to care for you as a child, did not expect you to support her to this level because she cared about you maintaining your own life as well as caring for her.

Second what @Miloarmadillo2 said

Also, I would have more sympathy for a distant elderly relative who never abandoned you when you needed them (as a child, when your mum was ill), or even for a random elderly who never did anything wrong to you. In your shoes, I would do less than what I would prepared to do for a random elderly person.

Joelle84 · 04/01/2025 10:34

Do they have any other children who they can call on? I understand completely where your coming from not wanting to step up. I guess all you can do atm is signpost to other services eg taxis for appointments/macmillan cancer support etc

Needanewname42 · 04/01/2025 10:34

Wizzardry · 04/01/2025 10:26

I find that hard to comprehend @Randomontheinternet25

Presumably the computer-illiterate people you know never worked with any form of technology? It's been used in the workplace for at least 30 years.

Depends if your talking people in their early 70s who retired 5 years ago or people (women) late 70s who retired nearly 20 years ago at 60.
Smart phones and apps have only been a thing in the last 10 years really. And there are trust issues lots of older people struggle to trust the Internet with card details or Internet banking

StuntNun · 04/01/2025 10:31

My uncle and aunt cared for my grandmother when she became too infirm to live independently and charged her a monthly salary for doing so. Hmm Maybe that's something you could suggest to your dad and step-mum, given the circumstances.

Curtainqueen · 04/01/2025 10:31

diddl · 04/01/2025 10:26

Even if he had been a fabulous Dad & had you & your Mum living in the lap of luxury it still wouldn't mean that you had to help him care for his wife or even care for him.

It seems to spiral so much.

Maybe starts of with shopping once a week.

Then you're doing the laundry, some cooking, cleaning & so it goes on.

I wonder if this expectation that daughters become carers will ever end?

See my mum always said you don't have children to look after you when you're older. She refused to be a carer and didn't expect it of us, although through choice I nursed her til the end and never left her side because I adored her.

Wizzardry · 04/01/2025 10:29

AmersLee · 04/01/2025 10:14

But the point is that it isn't always that simple to solve someone elses problems. Believe me I have tried.
My DM is the greatest blocker of ideas which could help and as time and technology moves on, the tool that could really help them is further and further out of reach.

Goodness my DF still turns on the wifi if we need it as he doesn't want it running when not in use and wasting the electricity!

Increasingly without a smart phone they are unable to park and pay for their car ( no app).
They cannot navigate an online shop, or order clothing on line.
They can't book a meal out or order a taxi.
They are unable to drive through a local tunnel with a tool managed online.

They don't access online banking, having to go to the bank ( if it still exists).

They are early 80’s.

I was answering another PP with my post, not the OP. The PP suggested that technology is the way forward for support. Clearly for some it is not. (@Codlingmoths).

Edited

Have you encouraged them to go on a course for older people @AmersLee ?

Or teaching them yourself?

That's a lot of essential skills they are missing.

My mum has friends in their early and mid 80s who are fantastic with online shopping etc.

Mirabai · 04/01/2025 10:28

This is not uncommon from elderly peolple general - expecting the nearest blood relation to run their lives. Your dad’s behaviour adds a peak level of CFery to the whole thing.

You need to sit them down and explain that their high level of needs mean they now need professional carers.

Their past behaviour was so poor that if is a dealbreaker and you don’t want to be around them that’s fine. If you want to be around them to some degree just not to this level there’s no point bringing up the past as they will just get defensive and it won’t change anything. However if you want to let them go and let them know at the same time - that’s absolutely justified.

Wizzardry · 04/01/2025 10:26

Randomontheinternet25 · 04/01/2025 00:42

I know lots of ppl in their 70s would could not do any of that .

I find that hard to comprehend @Randomontheinternet25

Presumably the computer-illiterate people you know never worked with any form of technology? It's been used in the workplace for at least 30 years.

Glitterypolishedturd · 04/01/2025 10:26

I agree with previous posters saying follow the tactics used to deal with narcissists. Any kind of "sorry but.." will be twisted and turned. Look up DARVO, grey rock and JADE. Different rules apply when dealing with this kind of person and you can't apply your usual logic that would usually happen. Good luck OP, you owe this man and woman nothing.

diddl · 04/01/2025 10:26

Even if he had been a fabulous Dad & had you & your Mum living in the lap of luxury it still wouldn't mean that you had to help him care for his wife or even care for him.

It seems to spiral so much.

Maybe starts of with shopping once a week.

Then you're doing the laundry, some cooking, cleaning & so it goes on.

I wonder if this expectation that daughters become carers will ever end?

JennyPenny222 · 04/01/2025 10:25

5foot5 · 04/01/2025 00:37

"Sorry to hear about your current health problems. I will, of course, stay in touch and come to visit when I can.

"However, I think you should make other day-to-day care arrangements. You were both happy to leave Mum and I to manage with minimal financial or practical help from you when I was a child, so you and your wife cannot reasonably expect a great deal of support and care from me now."

This!!! Perfect!!!

Curtainqueen · 04/01/2025 10:24

You are already consumed. Time to remind him just what little support he provided growing up and learnt to start saying no. Distance yourself by just not responding to every single call and every single message.

PointsSouth · 04/01/2025 10:21

Randomontheinternet25 · 04/01/2025 00:42

I know lots of ppl in their 70s would could not do any of that .

On the other hand, the tech that enables it was invented by people who are in their seventies.

ArrowofPersuasian · 04/01/2025 10:20

If they have attendance allowance

You can claim carers allowance, but you can only work part time & still claim it

You need to be clear to them about how much time & money you have to give them

They may need to buy in extra help & care

ButterCrackers · 04/01/2025 10:19

ArrowofPersuasian · 04/01/2025 10:17

I also recommend putting this in place for each person

https://www.gov.uk/power-of-attorney

Good idea but the OP should make sure that they are not involved. A solicitor could be named instead.

AmersLee · 04/01/2025 10:14

TheGhostOfTheYearYetToCome · 04/01/2025 09:17

But we all should do what we can to future proof ourselves. Unless they are in their 90's excluding disability there isn't really a reason for them not to be able to Google. I know people choose to get 'old of thought' but if you are 90 you were 65 in 2000..

You don't need a large shop if is delivered, lots of people have the equivalent of a basket delivered.

But the point is that it isn't always that simple to solve someone elses problems. Believe me I have tried.
My DM is the greatest blocker of ideas which could help and as time and technology moves on, the tool that could really help them is further and further out of reach.

Goodness my DF still turns on the wifi if we need it as he doesn't want it running when not in use and wasting the electricity!

Increasingly without a smart phone they are unable to park and pay for their car ( no app).
They cannot navigate an online shop, or order clothing on line.
They can't book a meal out or order a taxi.
They are unable to drive through a local tunnel with a tool managed online.

They don't access online banking, having to go to the bank ( if it still exists).

They are early 80’s.

I was answering another PP with my post, not the OP. The PP suggested that technology is the way forward for support. Clearly for some it is not. (@Codlingmoths).

jeaux90 · 04/01/2025 10:13

OP look only you can work out what you really want to do here.

I would suggest that you really think about it. Saying no to any of it is ok.

What I did take on for my parents was POA and the management of money to carers etc that was all I was prepared to do because of my own boundaries.

Lots of other good advice on here though.

Viviennemary · 04/01/2025 10:12

Under the circumstances you describe I would not be adjusting my own life to help out beyond a reasonable amount of visiting, He made his choice decades ago without a conscience, leaving a wife and young child, It's time you made yours,