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Elderly dad and wife expect me to care for her

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Adrienne23 · 04/01/2025 00:10

My dad left home for his now wife of 50 years when I was 8 years old and they by and large lived their own very comfortable lives together, seeing me around 4 times a year until my teens, then we saw very little of one and other aside from speak on the phone twice a month or so. My mother raised me in relative poverty with not much financial support from my dad at the time he used to claim he didn’t have the means and we only discovered in recent years that he and his wife were far better off than they said they were. My mother passed away nearly 10 years ago from a long illness and I was her main support, although she tried very hard to maintain her independence and not lean on me unless absolutely necessary mainly in order to protect my emotional and physical well being.
I started to see more of my dad since my mothers death and increased communication considerably during lockdown. In the past few months his wife has been diagnosed with cancer and they now both absolutely expect me to provide all sorts of support and care for them both as my dad’s health is also poor. I am starting to feeling incredibly resentful. I worked hard on myself following my mother’s death, getting a new job, social life, etc, but I am still deeply affected by the loss. The level of support my dad and his wife expect from me far exceeds the support my mum expected (or received) from me, I get calls and messages about the health condition of both, several times a day irrespective of what I am doing, demands to drive to and from appointments, visit the house, messages that seem urgent and can’t wait only to just want to chat about themselves, and so on. How can I draw boundaries now before I am completely consumed by them and their needs to the detriment of my own?

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Mamasperspective · 04/01/2025 22:57

I would say something like, "Dad I love you and appreciate you are of ill health but it's unreasonable to expect that I can be a carer for you or your wife. I appreciate that I was a carer for my mother but, with all due respect, your wife is not my mother. I'm more than happy to spend some time helping you research resources and home support to help but the expectations that you and your wife have of me are far too high. I can't just visit at the drop of a hat, I can't just run around taking you to appointments and your constant expectations are affecting my job, my life and my mental health. We can sit down and look at options for transport for appointments and for support in the home but the current situation cannot continue"

PeppyGreenFinch · 04/01/2025 22:48

StuntNun · 04/01/2025 10:31

My uncle and aunt cared for my grandmother when she became too infirm to live independently and charged her a monthly salary for doing so. Hmm Maybe that's something you could suggest to your dad and step-mum, given the circumstances.

I would see it as a contribution to living costs than a salary.

BlueLimeRun · 04/01/2025 22:35

I have experience a bit like this, inheritance was dangled but I decided no amount of money was worth the stress.
Honestly I dreaded visiting. It was a relief when I allowed myself to stop. I do feel guilty as they are quite isolated but I just couldn’t continue.

BestZebbie · 04/01/2025 17:39

"You chose your new wife and money over a relationship with me when I was a child and Mum and I really needed you. So now you can use your saved money and look to your wife's family for your care needs. I'm likely to be quite busy for the next few months so I'll probably next be available for a coffee or day out in late February at the earliest."

trivialMorning · 04/01/2025 15:05

username299 · 04/01/2025 00:41

Who knows what he's capable of? My dad can't text and my mum wouldn't know how to order something from the internet. I meant meal delivery, not supermarket.

My point was to make sure she's got everything covered before leaving them to it. They have everything at their fingertips and there's no reason for the OP to worry.

I think I'd do this route
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There are two options say no and find a way to manage future communication - email looked at once a week or vert extreme NC or say sorry can't help with that and push them towards services - local taxi - hospital transport.

My parents could use internet for shopping and set up hospital transport or taxis. My IL can get friends to help with transport and do some thing but MIL especially can't use a computer at all.

Meal delivery less a thing than it once was - now more frozen meals dropped off but parcel box do freeze dried that can go in cupboards.

You can also try set times for phone calls or visits -so less pulling you into more and more support and more you setting out what you can do.

WearyAuldWumman · 04/01/2025 14:52

WishinAndHopin · 04/01/2025 03:29

Going to get flamed but what’s the chances of you being left in their will? After half a century of abandonment you do deserve it.
You might want to consider this when choosing how to go forward - you probably need to keep them sweet.

Bluntly, OP might finish up working her socks off and still being left with nothing when it becomes untenable and they have to go into a home.

Randomontheinternet25 · 04/01/2025 14:51

Rosscameasdoody · 04/01/2025 14:44

Problem is that at some point one or both of them will likely end up needing full time care, and there goes the inheritance !!

Inheritance isn't everything . I handed mine back from grandparents , no contact with my father so no inheritance from him

Rosscameasdoody · 04/01/2025 14:44

Rubydoobydoobydoo · 04/01/2025 11:44

You haven't been back to this thread, OP. I wonder why?

Things I'd like to know before answering you directly. Did your father and his second wife have children? If so, are those children involved in their care? Do you have a partner and children? Do you work?

If there are no other children and you could be the sole beneficiary of their estate (and it sounds like it might be an inheritance worth having) then I'd play a canny game of doing what you can, but with firm boundaries. And if you have a full-time job and children and a partner, it's possible to get out of things: so sorry, I have an important work event that day and can't take you to the hospital, shall I book you a taxi? : sorry, I can't make Thursday evening, it's parents evening at Bella's school and I need to talk to her teacher about her reading: sorry, we're going to Dan's parents to celebrate their ruby wedding anniversary that weekend, but I could come over the following Sunday afternoon if that's any help?

If you don't have a partner/ children I would certainly, in your shoes, develop (if only in my head) a very busy job that meant I wasn't always available to respond to calls immediately. 'I know it's inconvenient but we're really not allowed to take personal calls during working hours.' And of course, that job would require you to work weekend cover every couple of weeks and would require you to work away from home sometimes. Set up your excuses for not being available now. A new course of study to further your career, dog or baby-sitting for neighbours (can't come over, I'm booked to look after Matilda and Clementina that afternoon)...

Play it tactically, for your own advantage. He might be your father but he abandoned you and he owes you.

Problem is that at some point one or both of them will likely end up needing full time care, and there goes the inheritance !!

Rosscameasdoody · 04/01/2025 14:41

GreetingCeridwen · 04/01/2025 14:17

As someone in the same situation, I can see where some of the folks saying 'think of the inheritance' are coming from. But you really do have to ask what price self-respect, too. Personally I'm not prepared to play nurse for mine for the sake of a vanishingly unlikely inheritance, but then in my case there are much-favoured stepsons who will, I'm sure, be walking away with the goodies even if I were to do everything care-wise and them nothing - so maybe it's simpler for me. Sometimes saying 'sod the (possible) inheritance' is the price you have to pay to lose the bastards and free yourself from a misplaced sense of obligation. God knows I survived without my spineless father's money so far, and so did you, OP. That freedom is cheap at twice the price imo.

If these two people are in such ill health now, there probably won’t be an inheritance - it’ll be swallowed up in care fees. In OP’s case that’s probably as it should be - anything else involves OP shouldering the responsibility. Better to let the appropriate authorities do that and get on with her life.

GreetingCeridwen · 04/01/2025 14:17

As someone in the same situation, I can see where some of the folks saying 'think of the inheritance' are coming from. But you really do have to ask what price self-respect, too. Personally I'm not prepared to play nurse for mine for the sake of a vanishingly unlikely inheritance, but then in my case there are much-favoured stepsons who will, I'm sure, be walking away with the goodies even if I were to do everything care-wise and them nothing - so maybe it's simpler for me. Sometimes saying 'sod the (possible) inheritance' is the price you have to pay to lose the bastards and free yourself from a misplaced sense of obligation. God knows I survived without my spineless father's money so far, and so did you, OP. That freedom is cheap at twice the price imo.

Needanewname42 · 04/01/2025 14:09

Rubydoobydoobydoo · 04/01/2025 11:44

You haven't been back to this thread, OP. I wonder why?

Things I'd like to know before answering you directly. Did your father and his second wife have children? If so, are those children involved in their care? Do you have a partner and children? Do you work?

If there are no other children and you could be the sole beneficiary of their estate (and it sounds like it might be an inheritance worth having) then I'd play a canny game of doing what you can, but with firm boundaries. And if you have a full-time job and children and a partner, it's possible to get out of things: so sorry, I have an important work event that day and can't take you to the hospital, shall I book you a taxi? : sorry, I can't make Thursday evening, it's parents evening at Bella's school and I need to talk to her teacher about her reading: sorry, we're going to Dan's parents to celebrate their ruby wedding anniversary that weekend, but I could come over the following Sunday afternoon if that's any help?

If you don't have a partner/ children I would certainly, in your shoes, develop (if only in my head) a very busy job that meant I wasn't always available to respond to calls immediately. 'I know it's inconvenient but we're really not allowed to take personal calls during working hours.' And of course, that job would require you to work weekend cover every couple of weeks and would require you to work away from home sometimes. Set up your excuses for not being available now. A new course of study to further your career, dog or baby-sitting for neighbours (can't come over, I'm booked to look after Matilda and Clementina that afternoon)...

Play it tactically, for your own advantage. He might be your father but he abandoned you and he owes you.

Op would be the sole beneficiary if the step mum dies first, everything goes to the Dad, then Op.

If the Dad dies first leaving everything to the Stepmum then it goes to Step-mums distant relations.

Unless they have made Wills, I think if I was Op I'd try to find out if they do have Wills, and what's in them.
If its all going to the Cat n Dog home then I wouldn't be putting in much effort.

It might be worth having that conversation along with discussing POA.

thisoldcity · 04/01/2025 13:38

I broadly agree with what pp have said here, but I would also add to not go down the route of lying to them about your phone, car, being ill or whatever. Just tell them you can't do it, and leave it at that for your own peace of mind.

I also think it's too late to confront your dad with any of the things from the past - those are private and you know he won't understand what you are talking about as he presumably re-wrote that history a long time ago. Again, for your own peace, don't have an argument with him. Just keep saying you can't do it, you're busy, you've got too much on, whatever. It's all true.

Rosscameasdoody · 04/01/2025 12:48

ButterCrackers · 04/01/2025 10:19

Good idea but the OP should make sure that they are not involved. A solicitor could be named instead.

Yep, I would definitely not want any part of this as the OP. I have LPA for my elderly mum for health and finance and now that she’s lost capacity the responsibility is ramping up. I wouldn’t want to do it if I felt the way OP does about her dad and his partner.

Neveragain8102 · 04/01/2025 12:46

Sheesh - he left you and your mum in poverty, lied about his means, and now he expects you to step up.

Put the man (and his wife) in gif a Cheeky Fuckery award.

If it were me I would pick up the phone to the local council and make a referral to ASC for a care and support needs assessment and let them get in with it (whilst knowing that they will have to to self fund the vast majority if not all of the support assessed as being appropriate to their needs)

IhadaStripeyDeckchair · 04/01/2025 12:44

If you want to stay in contact set aside time to call once a week/fortnight/month to suit you for a max of 15 mins.
Otherwise do not respond to calls/texts/emails etc
If they ask for stuff in the calls just grey rock
I can't do that I've other commitments
That doesn't work for me
I can't help with that

Never elaborate
Never explain

If they become abusive tell them and put the phone down. Do not communicate until.your next scheduled call.

Or cut contact. He sounds like he's trying to take advantage of your grief for your Mum to coerce you to into doing things for him.

You have one life. It's precious and fleeting. You have every right to prioritise your work, social & home life - I bet your Mum would be overjoyed to see you thrive and enjoy your life. It's her you need to think of, not your Dad, she knew you & brought you up.
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Tortielady · 04/01/2025 12:43

He's quite something, your Dad, isn't he? He bd off over the horizon half a century ago when he was a young man with a child. Now he's back, (DW in tow) trying to freeload off you. He's elderly and you, with respect dear OP, have your sixtieth birthday coming up soon. Accepting caring responsibilities at any age is hard, but I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that. Taking them on at sixty, especially for someone who gave you so little of himself when you were growing up would be overwhelming. I'm sixty and although a long way from my dotage, I'm more aware of my limitations than I was a decade or so ago. Spending the run-up to retirement running around after a man who's made a career out of dodging his responsibilities would be a terrible waste of what should be a productive and happy time in your life.

As other PPs suggest, grey-rocking is a good approach, along with strict limitations on the word "sorry" and on justifying and defending yourself. It's in your Dad and his DW's interests too. After all, if you really got started on their myriad weaknesses, deficiencies and failures, they wouldn't know what had hit them!

MrsPeterHarris · 04/01/2025 12:43

BoxOfCats · 04/01/2025 00:23

Just be unavailable. "Sorry, I'm not available to help with that, you'll need to make alternative arrangements." If they bombard you with calls and messages, just ignore them and respond when it's convenient. Tell them you are busy but you will call them on xxx day (whenever actually suits you). They will get the message eventually.

This.

What a selfish, horrible, entitled man. So sorry for the loss of your lovely mum Op.

CorduroySituation · 04/01/2025 12:30

5foot5 · 04/01/2025 00:37

"Sorry to hear about your current health problems. I will, of course, stay in touch and come to visit when I can.

"However, I think you should make other day-to-day care arrangements. You were both happy to leave Mum and I to manage with minimal financial or practical help from you when I was a child, so you and your wife cannot reasonably expect a great deal of support and care from me now."

Great message.

Randomontheinternet25 · 04/01/2025 12:29

@Wizzardry my mother definitely could not, she doesn't use the internet for anything and has a dumb phone. I know of several others who are the same

Hankunamatata · 04/01/2025 12:15

I'd get a second sim card and tell them that's your new number. Leave it in a drawer. Look at it once a day. Reply to messages or voicemails with a text. Sorry I'm not avaliable to do x,y,z
Block them on your original number.

Plantymcplantface · 04/01/2025 12:11

BMW6 · 04/01/2025 00:22

Tell them exactly what you've said here - he abandoned you and your Mum, he made his choice so of course you won't be playing the part of a dutiful and caring daughter!

Go NC if needs be. He's a selfish git still.

My family is exactly the same scenario to you, @Adrienne23.

Whilst I agree with the sentiments here @BMW6 and with the OPs original post expressing resentment - I’m not sure in reality that this approach will work. In my experience such a blunt approach to dealing with the understandable resentment could backfire and come across as “cold hearted” - as well as causing the OP more anxiety about this situation.

I chose to write a letter to my Dad and Stepmum that was never posted. I also had a few chats with a good therapist who enabled me to reframe my Dad as an adult human that made his own choices.

In fact I then chose to rename him in my phone from Dad to “plantymcplantface Dads name” as in my case, he is an alcoholic, who didn’t act in a loving/caring/parental way for a long time and has always had a cruel and selfish streak, with very little interest in anyone or anything outside himself. So he is a person, but not
a parent that deserved the same love and support as my lovely Mum when she was terminally ill (who had such grace and throughout her illness thought about other people, and who also brought us up successfully in relative poverty).

All of this helped with identifying and upholding boundaries as they have aged. I haven’t gone NC or had any drama: I’ve just quietly prioritized.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 04/01/2025 11:57

5foot5 · 04/01/2025 00:37

"Sorry to hear about your current health problems. I will, of course, stay in touch and come to visit when I can.

"However, I think you should make other day-to-day care arrangements. You were both happy to leave Mum and I to manage with minimal financial or practical help from you when I was a child, so you and your wife cannot reasonably expect a great deal of support and care from me now."

This is a great response!

I mean, bollocks to looking after him and his wife. It’s mind boggling they even expect it!

Feelingathomenow · 04/01/2025 11:46

Tell him, following is lead you think seeing them 4 times a year is plenty and you don’t have the time or emotional wealth to give them any more. You’re sure they’ll understand as that’s what he did.

im sorry about your mum, she sounds a wonderful strong woman

Rubydoobydoobydoo · 04/01/2025 11:44

You haven't been back to this thread, OP. I wonder why?

Things I'd like to know before answering you directly. Did your father and his second wife have children? If so, are those children involved in their care? Do you have a partner and children? Do you work?

If there are no other children and you could be the sole beneficiary of their estate (and it sounds like it might be an inheritance worth having) then I'd play a canny game of doing what you can, but with firm boundaries. And if you have a full-time job and children and a partner, it's possible to get out of things: so sorry, I have an important work event that day and can't take you to the hospital, shall I book you a taxi? : sorry, I can't make Thursday evening, it's parents evening at Bella's school and I need to talk to her teacher about her reading: sorry, we're going to Dan's parents to celebrate their ruby wedding anniversary that weekend, but I could come over the following Sunday afternoon if that's any help?

If you don't have a partner/ children I would certainly, in your shoes, develop (if only in my head) a very busy job that meant I wasn't always available to respond to calls immediately. 'I know it's inconvenient but we're really not allowed to take personal calls during working hours.' And of course, that job would require you to work weekend cover every couple of weeks and would require you to work away from home sometimes. Set up your excuses for not being available now. A new course of study to further your career, dog or baby-sitting for neighbours (can't come over, I'm booked to look after Matilda and Clementina that afternoon)...

Play it tactically, for your own advantage. He might be your father but he abandoned you and he owes you.

speakout · 04/01/2025 11:38

It isn't up to others to respect our boundaries- and we don't need them to.

But it is absolutely up to us to set out boundaries and not allow others to cross them.
And in this case I don't think you even owe these people an explanation.
People only take advantage of us if we allow it,
In your position I would change your phone number or block them.

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