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Good day to bury bad news - 20th jan 2025

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pdq123 · 03/01/2025 21:13

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BBC News | UK POLITICS | Spin memo row duo quit

Guess what's happening on the 20th jan 2025 ?

Trump's Inauguration Day of course and given the fact all main stream media will be bleating on about it from the week before till the week after, how easy it would be for these events to be missed.

So keep it simple and ask yourself how all the events above that all occurred at different times all now start at the same time.

How convent for all these things to start on the same day a huge worldwide event. I think its government steered and definitely not unreasonable to think these events have been scheduled then to hide bad news

Who is Ricky Jones? The ex-Labour councillor who has appeared in court

Councillor Ricky Jones was suspended by Labour after his speech in Walthamstow during the recent riots

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/who-is-ricky-jones-the-exlabour-councillor-who-has-appeared-in-court-b1180553.html

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Tiswa · 04/01/2025 00:47

pdq123 · 04/01/2025 00:45

Exactly where did I say that ? Your reading your own agenda into that.
Once the trials or hearing starts no one will report much about it till the end.

You are kidding, trials are often reported on a daily basis Southport certainly will I expect much easier online

spoonfulofsugar1 · 04/01/2025 00:46

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 03/01/2025 21:17

As someone who works in the media I still expect these to be covered well. Trump’s inauguration really isn’t that important over here that news outlets won’t run anything else

Its not that important but we can still expect rolling coverage the week it happens (sadly)

pdq123 · 04/01/2025 00:45

MerrilyOnhigh · 03/01/2025 23:50

OP, why do you keep ignoring the fact that the trials in question will last way longer than one day?

Exactly where did I say that ? Your reading your own agenda into that.
Once the trials or hearing starts no one will report much about it till the end.

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Tiswa · 04/01/2025 00:43

And the only one really with any real power to hurt the government is the Southport trial and that is big enough to upstage Trump

ee don’t have a front page in the same way online to a newspaper which carried one

on my phone bbc news has 3 easily seen as do others one line to take you through to the story

JHound · 04/01/2025 00:40

Tin foil hats on tight!

(Two of those are not like the other. The two high profile killings by mentally ill males obviously would make news, a fight at an airport and a councillor being free with his words would typically be a back page story if that.)

Tiswa · 04/01/2025 00:39

First I agree that bad news can get released on such days certainly in the past - less so with how news is delivered today

but

  1. these are the first days of long trials where little will happen and certainly nothing major

  2. we v much have the separation of powers between the government, Parliament and the judiciary

pdq123 · 04/01/2025 00:38

LondonLawyer · 03/01/2025 22:50

"Guess what's happening on the 20th jan 2025 ?

In technical terms it would actually be really difficult to manipulate different trials in different courts for a particular date because of all the assorted parties involved when fixing it. But the third week in January is not an odd time for major trials to be listed, because it's long enough after Christmas but enough time before Easter to get a good run at it.
But also, they aren't all standing trial on 20th Jan.
(1) Manchester duo - 16th not 20th January. Listed for an initial hearing, this isn't a trial date.
(2) Southport man - was listed in August for potential trial date on 20th Jan. I don't know if it is still listed for then. It was fixed months before Trump's election win, though.
(3) Army officer - was listed in August for potential trial date on 20th Jan. I don't know if it is still listed for then. It was fixed months before Trump's election win, though.
(4) Ricky Jones - was listed in September for potential trial date on 20th Jan. I don't know if it is still listed for then. It was fixed months before Trump's election win, though.

So four cases. Three were listed for 20th January well before Trump won. The fourth and last was listed after Trump won, for a first appearance. As there will be active criminal proceedings, there can't be much comment anyway on the first, only factual reporting of events.

Pretty dire conspiracy theory, TBH.

This must be the forensic skills I keep hearing about, unless you cant read and analyse all the data given in a succinct manner. ;)

From one of my earlier posts
United States presidential inauguration - Wikipedia
Since 1974 all inaugurations have taken place on the 20th jan.

If I was a spin doctour trying to manage bad news, this would be a prime candidate.

It was fixed months before Trump's election win, it doesn't matter who won the election, its a day the media is concentrating else where and not a slow news day where the media look to the local courts for a story.

Hence a "good day to bury bad news".

I think its a mistake to have all these trials/hearings start on these same day or week. All these events listed are potentially allowing further accusations of two tier justice to grow.

But to get them all out in a single day, perhaps allows the uninformed to be embarrassed when they say nothing has been done, when in fact the trials have been started. ( or the hearing, but more importantly legal action has been started)

United States presidential inauguration - Wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_inauguration

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MerrilyOnhigh · 04/01/2025 00:15

The scheduling of court dates is primarily managed by the individual courts and the HM Courts & Tribunals Service (HMCTS). The process involves various factors, including the availability of judges, courtrooms, and the specific requirements of each case.

Exactly. The courts aren't controlled by the government - why else would there have been all those embarrassing findings against them, e.g. about the unlawful prorogation of Parliament, the Post Office case, the successful negligence claims by soldiers? How can the government control the availability of witnesses, barristers etc?

TomorrowTodayYesterday · 04/01/2025 00:13

You always know we have a crackpot conspiracy theorist on our hands when they start referring to 'msm'.

Seek help OP or at the very least step away from the Internet. You've been groomed to believe this bullshit. At best you look silly and people will be/are laughing at you. At worst, you will fall in so deep, you will develop significant anxiety and mental health issues. Just step away, it's not healthy.

pdq123 · 04/01/2025 00:00

bookworm14 · 03/01/2025 22:15

Do you think the government sets court dates?

Yes I do.

Who do you think sets the court dates ?

Answers from AI mostly referring to Ministry of Justice - GOV.UK

Q) Is the ministry of justice part of the government

A) Yes, the Ministry of Justice is a crucial part of the UK government. It oversees the country's justice system, which includes courts, prisons, probation services, and legal aid. Its role is to ensure that the justice system is fair and effective.

The scheduling of court dates is primarily managed by the individual courts and the HM Courts & Tribunals Service (HMCTS). The process involves various factors, including the availability of judges, courtrooms, and the specific requirements of each case.

Q) who controls the HM Courts & Tribunals Service (HMCTS)

A) The HM Courts & Tribunals Service (HMCTS) is an executive agency sponsored by the Ministry of Justice in the UK. It is responsible for the administration of criminal, civil, and family courts in England and Wales, as well as reserved unified tribunals across the United Kingdom1.
HMCTS works closely with an independent judiciary to provide a fair, efficient, and effective justice system. They manage the work of various courts, including magistrates' courts, County Courts, Family Courts, Crown Courts, and the Royal Courts of Justice1.

Q) What would make a court case a priority for a court date

A) Seriousness of the Charges: Cases involving severe offenses, such as violent crimes or major fraud, are often prioritized.
We follow the Ministry of Justice’s outcome delivery plan to deliver swift access to justice.

Ministry of Justice

The Ministry of Justice is a major government department, at the heart of the justice system. We work to protect and advance the principles of justice. Our vision is to deliver a world-class justice system that works for everyone in society. MOJ is a m...

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations/ministry-of-justice

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RogueFemale · 03/01/2025 23:55

@pdq123 I'm curious to know whether you know of any conspiracy theories which involve Andrew Tate or Elon Musk? Or are they the 'good guys'? Somehow?

MerrilyOnhigh · 03/01/2025 23:50

OP, why do you keep ignoring the fact that the trials in question will last way longer than one day?

CranfordScones · 03/01/2025 23:47

OP is right. It's not the first time it's happened.

CS Lewis and Aldous Huxley both died on 22nd November 1963. Which was also the day JFK was assassinated. It's like no one wanted to talk about the death of two literary luminaries, so the shadowy powers that control the media manipulated the news agenda.

MerrilyOnhigh · 03/01/2025 23:41

pdq123 · 03/01/2025 21:43

umm the bbc in the past covered Obama, Biden, trumps before! of course the msm isn't interested in inaugurations ( search bbc inauguration)

Of course it will be covered. However, the idea that MSM are going to get so excited about it that it bumps everything else off the front pages for, potentially, several days or weeks, is frankly absurd.

pdq123 · 03/01/2025 23:40

fromthevault · 03/01/2025 23:04

Yes. It used to be a fun, informative and interesting place for women to connect. Now it's simply just another forum for tinfoil-hatted weirdos to post about their current obsessions. No offence, like.

None taken

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MerrilyOnhigh · 03/01/2025 23:39

Come off it. Unless something major happens at the inauguration, no-one in the UK is going to get that excited about it. Trials go on generally for several days, so verdicts will be happening when the inauguration is well over and done with.

devilspawn · 03/01/2025 23:35

I don't know if you missed it, but there's a Labour government in charge now. They don't need to hide things because they aren't doing them (proroguing parliament, funnelling money to fake PPE companies, watching porn in the House of Commons, sexually abusing their staff, etc).

Richard1985 · 03/01/2025 23:30

It is rare that the conspiracy nut jobs come up with a theory that is so easily (and quickly) refutable. Well done

Welshwabbit · 03/01/2025 23:10

pdq123 · 03/01/2025 21:13

Remember this little email
BBC News | UK POLITICS | Spin memo row duo quit

Guess what's happening on the 20th jan 2025 ?

Trump's Inauguration Day of course and given the fact all main stream media will be bleating on about it from the week before till the week after, how easy it would be for these events to be missed.

So keep it simple and ask yourself how all the events above that all occurred at different times all now start at the same time.

How convent for all these things to start on the same day a huge worldwide event. I think its government steered and definitely not unreasonable to think these events have been scheduled then to hide bad news

Manchester Airport case: there is a court appearance on the 16th. It's not the trial.

Southport trial: due to start on 20th. Expected to last 4 weeks.

Kent soldier stabbing: trial due to start on the 20th. Expected to last 3 weeks.

Labour councillor trial: due to start on the 20th. Expected to last 5 days.

It's not much of a conspiracy theory when you introduce a few facts.

NBollocks · 03/01/2025 23:07

The government timing an announcement (relatively simple and entirely within its control) is entirely different to setting the date for a potentially long and complex trial. And you’ve cited a mix of trial dates and hearings, which are different things, all around the country. You are being daft.

fromthevault · 03/01/2025 23:04

pdq123 · 03/01/2025 22:47

Has it ever been anything else ?

Yes. It used to be a fun, informative and interesting place for women to connect. Now it's simply just another forum for tinfoil-hatted weirdos to post about their current obsessions. No offence, like.

OneLemonDog · 03/01/2025 23:00

If these were 1 day trials, then perhaps it would look fishy - but they'll span multiple weeks. Day 1 (on Jan 20) will not be a big day in the context of the what comes out at trial.

ShesNotACowShesAFox · 03/01/2025 22:54

pdq123 · 03/01/2025 22:08

So you read the very first link from the BBC about spin doctors advising the government at the time it was a good day to bury bad news on the day of 911 terrorist attacks.

Of course they try control the media, any one who suggests other wise is feeble minded

This is well known and also 22+ years ago. It was very controversial at the time too. But “spin doctors” aren’t normally employed by courts diarists

LondonLawyer · 03/01/2025 22:50

"Guess what's happening on the 20th jan 2025 ?

In technical terms it would actually be really difficult to manipulate different trials in different courts for a particular date because of all the assorted parties involved when fixing it. But the third week in January is not an odd time for major trials to be listed, because it's long enough after Christmas but enough time before Easter to get a good run at it.
But also, they aren't all standing trial on 20th Jan.
(1) Manchester duo - 16th not 20th January. Listed for an initial hearing, this isn't a trial date.
(2) Southport man - was listed in August for potential trial date on 20th Jan. I don't know if it is still listed for then. It was fixed months before Trump's election win, though.
(3) Army officer - was listed in August for potential trial date on 20th Jan. I don't know if it is still listed for then. It was fixed months before Trump's election win, though.
(4) Ricky Jones - was listed in September for potential trial date on 20th Jan. I don't know if it is still listed for then. It was fixed months before Trump's election win, though.

So four cases. Three were listed for 20th January well before Trump won. The fourth and last was listed after Trump won, for a first appearance. As there will be active criminal proceedings, there can't be much comment anyway on the first, only factual reporting of events.

Pretty dire conspiracy theory, TBH.

Charges authorised over Manchester Airport incident | The Crown Prosecution Service

https://www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/charges-authorised-over-manchester-airport-incident

pdq123 · 03/01/2025 22:47

fromthevault · 03/01/2025 22:33

MN has been really fucking odd today.

Has it ever been anything else ?

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