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They should get rid of the housing benefit cap!

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Diggydiggydumbdum · 03/01/2025 18:13

I’ve been thinking a lot about the housing benefit cap (Local Housing Allowance cap), and the more I read, the more it feels like a scam. It was meant to save money by capping how much rent housing benefit would cover, but instead, councils are spending eye-watering amounts on temporary accommodation, and families are left stuck in the middle.

Before the cap, housing benefit covered private rents—even the inflated ones landlords charged. It wasn’t perfect, but at least people had more options: rent privately or wait for council housing. Now, with the cap, so many families can’t afford private rents and are being evicted, which means councils have to step in with temporary accommodation.

And here’s the kicker: councils spent £1.7 billion on temporary accommodation in 2023, almost double what they spent a decade ago. Individual households in temporary accommodation can cost councils £10,000–£20,000 a year, if not more. The money they’re “saving” on housing benefit? It’s being swallowed up by this anyway.

Plus, the conditions in temporary accommodation are often terrible—unsafe, overcrowded, and miles from people’s support networks. Kids are growing up in limbo, and families have no choice over where they live. Meanwhile, private agencies and middlemen are making a fortune out of the system.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to tackle the root of the problem? One option could be adjusting housing benefit to reflect real rents, so more people could afford private housing again. Another idea is rent caps, like they have in places like New York. If rent control works in one of the most expensive cities in the world, why can’t we try it here?

People always say, “Just move to a cheaper area,” but that ignores the fact that more expensive areas still need workers. Who’s going to do the jobs that keep those places running—childminders, cleaners, hairdressers, carers—if everyone has to move out?

It just feels like the current system isn’t working for anyone (except maybe the landlords and agencies profiting from temporary housing). Why aren’t we talking about this more?

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HaddyAbrams · 03/01/2025 20:57

It's probably worth mentioning that LHA doesn't apply to social housing, but he bedroom tax does.
And vice versa for private rents.

LakieLady · 03/01/2025 20:54

StMarie4me · 03/01/2025 20:07

It needs to be feasible for local market rent though. Where I live a 3 bed terrace is £900pcm and the HB would be £625. How would that work?! There's nothing cheaper. Nothing.

If you lived where I live, that 3 bed house would be £2k a month and HB/UC would only pay £1,446.

These aren't London rents, either, it's 50-odd miles from London, so no London weighting added to your salary. (Unless you worked in London, in which case you'd be spending £500 a month on fares!)

justthatreallyagain · 03/01/2025 20:50

What I think needs to happen is the UK government needs to stop paying people housing benefit if they have a property overseas. Sure if they are in dire straits they might need help temporarily - but my old cleaner said when she was moved to Universal Credit she was told the government now allows people to claim housing benefit if the property they owned or part-owned overseas is lived in by relatives. Previously she couldn't claim housing benefit because of the housing she owns overseas. But with the change she was offered up to £1,800 a month in housing benefit on top of her benefit and her son's PIP (3 kids) and her husband has a full-time job.

JenniferBooth · 03/01/2025 20:46

Diggydiggydumbdum · 03/01/2025 20:38

I see where you're coming from, but I think it’s important to remember that the bedroom tax is a different issue from the benefit cap. The bedroom tax targets people in social housing who are deemed to have "too many" bedrooms for their household size, penalizing them financially if they don't move to a smaller home. While I get that we want to make better use of available social housing, it’s not as simple as just pushing people into smaller homes. For some, moving isn't an option—especially if they have disabilities, or if there just aren’t enough smaller homes available.

As for the benefit cap, that’s about limiting how much housing benefit people can claim, regardless of the size of the property. The two are related in that they both affect people's ability to stay in affordable homes, but they’re different mechanisms and require separate discussions. Both, however, highlight the lack of genuinely affordable housing and the pressure that puts on families, especially those already struggling to make ends meet.

Definitely an issue worth discussing, but we also need a broader conversation about how to meet the demand for all sizes of homes and make sure the system works for everyone.

Ah yes the bedoom tax. People who did downsize then got moaned at for not having a spare room to self isolate in away from rest of the family during Covid
An SH tenants place is in the wrong

Ablondiebutagoody · 03/01/2025 20:45

@Diggydiggydumbdum

"So while migration does add pressure"? Yep. The pressure of a million extra people per year to be housed. Every year. A declining birth rate doesn't mean that the population is falling.

Papyrophile · 03/01/2025 20:39

MichelVandriving · 03/01/2025 20:36

Maybe people who can afford a five bedroom can buy whatever they want! I wish I could afford a 4 bedroom because I want a spare room for craft/work.
Build more council housing and maybe increase the time you have to live there before you can buy? And have controls on if sell within say 10 years( you have to sell back to council for the price you would pay now)
Housing should be where you live not something you make lots of money on.

There are plenty of undeveloped land sales where the vendor adds a clause to require the person who sells for development to share the increase in value.

Diggydiggydumbdum · 03/01/2025 20:38

Silvertulips · 03/01/2025 20:18

There had to be a cap, it stops empty nesters staying in 4 bed properties when they could live in a smaller property.

Why should they stay in a life time tenancy?

The other you mention 55% have one adult working - there’s the issue - low wages that won’t cover rent - minimum wage jobs were here you have 20 plus years experience in retail and still earn the same as teens starting out.

The wage cap is a more serious problem, employers leaning on the tax payer to pay minimum wages.

I see where you're coming from, but I think it’s important to remember that the bedroom tax is a different issue from the benefit cap. The bedroom tax targets people in social housing who are deemed to have "too many" bedrooms for their household size, penalizing them financially if they don't move to a smaller home. While I get that we want to make better use of available social housing, it’s not as simple as just pushing people into smaller homes. For some, moving isn't an option—especially if they have disabilities, or if there just aren’t enough smaller homes available.

As for the benefit cap, that’s about limiting how much housing benefit people can claim, regardless of the size of the property. The two are related in that they both affect people's ability to stay in affordable homes, but they’re different mechanisms and require separate discussions. Both, however, highlight the lack of genuinely affordable housing and the pressure that puts on families, especially those already struggling to make ends meet.

Definitely an issue worth discussing, but we also need a broader conversation about how to meet the demand for all sizes of homes and make sure the system works for everyone.

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Papyrophile · 03/01/2025 20:37

ComtesseDeSpair · 03/01/2025 19:31

Plenty of countries manage public housing so that tenants aren’t required to move out when they reach a certain income level, but the rent formula is always set at a particular proportion - often a third - of household income, whatever that income happens to be. It means that tenants on low incomes can afford the rent, and that if their incomes increase slightly they pay slightly more rent but still see the benefit of having increased their incomes; it also means that tenants who hugely increase their incomes find themselves paying a rent equal to or more than that of the private market - which can act as an incentive to move and give up public housing for somebody who needs it more.

I think that’s a feasible alternative to a fixed point at which somebody is forced to move out of social housing.

That's actually a very sensible model.

OneForTheRoadThen · 03/01/2025 20:37

Mydogisamassivetwat · 03/01/2025 18:37

The LHA rate is a joke anyway.

When I lived in London 5 years ago, the LHA was 1,200pm for a two bed property. There wasn’t a single two bed up for rent in the borough for less than 1,500pm.

And it’s not easy renting when you claim housing benefit (or UC as it’s under now). Estate agents laugh you out the door and most landlords won’t accept it, even if you are working full time and it’s a top up benefit as it was with me.

The amount of times I was told on here to rent a one bedroom, sleep on the sofa and put the children in one room. No one will rent to you like that!

But that would mean you're only spending, at most, £300 on rent. That's really good in London compared to people who don't qualify for UC and have to pay the full rent amount.

MichelVandriving · 03/01/2025 20:36

Maybe people who can afford a five bedroom can buy whatever they want! I wish I could afford a 4 bedroom because I want a spare room for craft/work.
Build more council housing and maybe increase the time you have to live there before you can buy? And have controls on if sell within say 10 years( you have to sell back to council for the price you would pay now)
Housing should be where you live not something you make lots of money on.

Diggydiggydumbdum · 03/01/2025 20:33

I get your frustration! The whole point of the cap was to reduce the amount taxpayers pay, but in reality, we're actually paying more now than we did before—just through a different channel. Councils are still paying out for temporary accommodation, but now it’s coming from other funds, not just the housing benefit budget. Just because it’s called something else doesn’t mean we’re not footing the bill—if anything, it’s making the whole thing even more expensive.

The current system just isn’t working. We’re spending huge amounts on temporary accommodation, which often costs more than housing benefit would have, all to line private landlords' pockets. It’s a vicious cycle that’s only pushing up costs, not solving the problem. And it’s frustrating because all it’s doing is shifting money around without tackling the root cause: there’s simply not enough affordable housing.

Something has to change, because this system is clearly failing both taxpayers and those in need of a stable home.

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JenniferBooth · 03/01/2025 20:28

ConsuelaHammock · 03/01/2025 20:10

Unfortunately the ‘root’ is making sure you can house yourself before having a family ?? How do you suggest tackling that? Everything else is just a sticking plaster!
We need affordable housing which is offered for a limited period of time until you can get on your feet again. If you tie social housing into salary then the tenants will just play the system and reduce their hours or change jobs etc to make themselves remain eligible.

FFS didnt you read my post upthread. Its not tenants staying in social housing thats the problem Its developers knocking down 1,214 social homes and putting 82 in their place.

Imagine the outcry if they started doing that to schools or nurseries

feellikeanalien · 03/01/2025 20:28

The LHA rate for a two bedroom property in our area is £425 per month. Even in the cheapest areas I haven't seen anything with two bedrooms advertised at anything near that price for a very long time.

Saturdayssandwichsociety · 03/01/2025 20:24

AmberOrca · 03/01/2025 18:56

I think the rates should be raised so a 2 bed rate covers the average 2 bed house and a 3 bed rate covers the average 3 bed house.
I don’t think the cap should be removed - I also think home owners should think about whether the really need the size house they are occupying. Our house has three bedrooms and four of us live here - we could afford to buy a five bedroom house but we don’t need one. Maybe if people stopped buying 4 and 5 bed new builds for three or four people to live in then the house builders would build more smaller houses or maisonette on the same plots and go some way to solving the supply issue.

Why should they though? If they are paying for it themselves they can buy whatever size they like they don't owe it to society to live in a smaller house than they prefer.
You are allocating blame in entirely the wrong place!

JimHalpertsWife · 03/01/2025 20:19

Valeriekat · 03/01/2025 20:17

Why should I be paying for you to live in a nicer home than I can afford to live in myself?

Eh?

You live in a society which takes a % of tax off everyone and from that pot, supports those who need additional support.

If you feel like it would be advantageous for you to become someone whose home is funded by the state then by all means get yourself fired, renege on your rent/mortgage and let the state step in.

Tumbleweed101 · 03/01/2025 20:18

There are a lot of things that need to be updated to current costs. Private rent LHA cap is one, but even things like free prescriptions/eye tests etc where the income needed to be eligible hasn't moved with the min wage increases. This means that essentially your income/cost of living has stayed the same (prices rise with min wage increases) but now the income needed to be under the threshold is lower than many full time min wage workers income. Sneaky ways of stopping help to those who need it.

Silvertulips · 03/01/2025 20:18

There had to be a cap, it stops empty nesters staying in 4 bed properties when they could live in a smaller property.

Why should they stay in a life time tenancy?

The other you mention 55% have one adult working - there’s the issue - low wages that won’t cover rent - minimum wage jobs were here you have 20 plus years experience in retail and still earn the same as teens starting out.

The wage cap is a more serious problem, employers leaning on the tax payer to pay minimum wages.

Valeriekat · 03/01/2025 20:17

Why should I be paying for you to live in a nicer home than I can afford to live in myself?

justasking111 · 03/01/2025 20:15

The Welsh government are offering grants to people who own empty properties up to 25k. Then they want to lease them from the owners for tenants taking on any repairs and renewals.. The problem is the amount of rent that they have offered these owners which is well below market rates in our area. So the take up is poor.

ConsuelaHammock · 03/01/2025 20:12

Diggydiggydumbdum · 03/01/2025 18:13

I’ve been thinking a lot about the housing benefit cap (Local Housing Allowance cap), and the more I read, the more it feels like a scam. It was meant to save money by capping how much rent housing benefit would cover, but instead, councils are spending eye-watering amounts on temporary accommodation, and families are left stuck in the middle.

Before the cap, housing benefit covered private rents—even the inflated ones landlords charged. It wasn’t perfect, but at least people had more options: rent privately or wait for council housing. Now, with the cap, so many families can’t afford private rents and are being evicted, which means councils have to step in with temporary accommodation.

And here’s the kicker: councils spent £1.7 billion on temporary accommodation in 2023, almost double what they spent a decade ago. Individual households in temporary accommodation can cost councils £10,000–£20,000 a year, if not more. The money they’re “saving” on housing benefit? It’s being swallowed up by this anyway.

Plus, the conditions in temporary accommodation are often terrible—unsafe, overcrowded, and miles from people’s support networks. Kids are growing up in limbo, and families have no choice over where they live. Meanwhile, private agencies and middlemen are making a fortune out of the system.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to tackle the root of the problem? One option could be adjusting housing benefit to reflect real rents, so more people could afford private housing again. Another idea is rent caps, like they have in places like New York. If rent control works in one of the most expensive cities in the world, why can’t we try it here?

People always say, “Just move to a cheaper area,” but that ignores the fact that more expensive areas still need workers. Who’s going to do the jobs that keep those places running—childminders, cleaners, hairdressers, carers—if everyone has to move out?

It just feels like the current system isn’t working for anyone (except maybe the landlords and agencies profiting from temporary housing). Why aren’t we talking about this more?

Also why would anyone in their right mind give a monkeys who does the loorly paid jobs in the expensive areas. Let the residents of the areas sort that out for themselves. They want a cleaner in an area with million pound house then they can pay 50 quid an hour.

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 03/01/2025 20:10

Social housing is the answer, especially in the south of the country where vast amounts were sold off under right to buy, and now being rented out at vastly increased rates.

Right to buy needs to be scrapped, and hundreds of thousands of social housing properties built. Especially 3 and 4 bed houses.

ConsuelaHammock · 03/01/2025 20:10

Diggydiggydumbdum · 03/01/2025 19:47

I get where you're coming from—nobody wants taxpayers to simply fund landlords' mortgages. But the reality is that taxpayers are already funding landlords' mortgages—and at an even higher rate—because of the way temporary accommodation works.

Here’s how it happens: landlords know councils are desperate for properties to use as temporary accommodation. Some have even evicted long-term tenants so they can re-let those same properties to the council at much higher rents. Councils often pay well above market rates for these homes because they’re scrambling to meet their legal duty to house people.

In 2023, councils spent £1.7 billion on temporary accommodation, nearly double what they spent a decade ago. Compare that to housing benefit: before the Local Housing Allowance (LHA) cap was introduced, councils spent far less on temporary accommodation because people could afford to rent privately with their housing benefit.

The current cap hasn’t stopped public money going to landlords—it’s just shifted the money into a system that’s even more expensive and inefficient.

The irony is, if housing benefit was set at realistic levels to reflect actual rents, councils wouldn’t need to pay these inflated temporary accommodation prices, and families would have more stability. As it stands, taxpayers are footing the bill for a broken system that benefits neither tenants nor the public purse—just a handful of landlords who know how to game it.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to fix this at the root, rather than continuing to throw money at the symptoms?

Unfortunately the ‘root’ is making sure you can house yourself before having a family ?? How do you suggest tackling that? Everything else is just a sticking plaster!
We need affordable housing which is offered for a limited period of time until you can get on your feet again. If you tie social housing into salary then the tenants will just play the system and reduce their hours or change jobs etc to make themselves remain eligible.

JimHalpertsWife · 03/01/2025 20:10

The Housing Benefit cap should fully cover the rental cost of a social home / Council home that is the right size for your family.

Why should the cap inflate, at a cost to all taxpayers (including those who live in the social housing), to further line private landlords pockets?

Fluufer · 03/01/2025 20:09

Diggydiggydumbdum · 03/01/2025 19:47

I get where you're coming from—nobody wants taxpayers to simply fund landlords' mortgages. But the reality is that taxpayers are already funding landlords' mortgages—and at an even higher rate—because of the way temporary accommodation works.

Here’s how it happens: landlords know councils are desperate for properties to use as temporary accommodation. Some have even evicted long-term tenants so they can re-let those same properties to the council at much higher rents. Councils often pay well above market rates for these homes because they’re scrambling to meet their legal duty to house people.

In 2023, councils spent £1.7 billion on temporary accommodation, nearly double what they spent a decade ago. Compare that to housing benefit: before the Local Housing Allowance (LHA) cap was introduced, councils spent far less on temporary accommodation because people could afford to rent privately with their housing benefit.

The current cap hasn’t stopped public money going to landlords—it’s just shifted the money into a system that’s even more expensive and inefficient.

The irony is, if housing benefit was set at realistic levels to reflect actual rents, councils wouldn’t need to pay these inflated temporary accommodation prices, and families would have more stability. As it stands, taxpayers are footing the bill for a broken system that benefits neither tenants nor the public purse—just a handful of landlords who know how to game it.

Wouldn’t it make more sense to fix this at the root, rather than continuing to throw money at the symptoms?

If there's no cap, increased rents would swallow up and overtake that £1.7bn in no time at all.

StMarie4me · 03/01/2025 20:07

ComtesseDeSpair · 03/01/2025 18:24

There has to be a cap somewhere. It can’t simply be that people on benefits are entitled to as much money as they need to pay rent for whatever they want. As previous poster says, the problem is that there’s a lot of pressure on housing driven by various factors which means higher rents and lower income people unable to afford them.

Rent control doesn’t work particularly well in NYC. People who managed to obtain rent controlled apartments decades ago and pass them down through various family members have done well out of it - much as social housing tenants who are able to obtain lifetime tenancies do well. A significant proportion of rent controlled NYC apartments are actually left vacant as it’s more cost effective for the landlord to have an empty property than a tenant paying a very low rent and the costs and responsibilities associated with having a tenanted property.

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It needs to be feasible for local market rent though. Where I live a 3 bed terrace is £900pcm and the HB would be £625. How would that work?! There's nothing cheaper. Nothing.

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