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To think the British educational system is all wrong?

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CookiePlough · 03/01/2025 01:27

It seems like the aim is to make adults out of children as soon as possible rather than allowing them enough time to just be kids.

My main issues are that 1. kids start school way too early and 2. spend way too much time in school.

What is the purpose of a 4 year old child learning to read and write and do addition and subtraction? How does this help the child either in the present or in the future when they are an adult? I can see that 4 year olds are clearly capable of learning these things and of course being able to read or do simple arithmetic is not a problem. The problem is what are they missing out on in order to learn these skills? In my opinion they are missing out on playing. Unstructured, self determined playing. You can learn academics at a later age but you can't really make up for not getting enough playtime as a child. However, this wouldn't be a problem if the school day wasn't so ridiculously long. There just isn't enough time to play after school. There is no time to go anywhere after school (eg the park), for playdates, for any play that takes longer than an hour, to do extra curricular activities (without missing out on Unstructured play time) or anything else. Everything has to be done on the weekend but then when do you have time to do things as a family?

I understand most kids have 2 parents working full time so kids need to be in some sort of childcare setting but even nursery is preferable at thst age to school as there is more unstructured play and more adult supervision. School requires much more in terms of social skills, resilience etc. Which kids,should learn but not by suddenly being dropped in it.

I'm just ranting because I'm tired and upset rather than explaining my points properly. And it's not like I can change the system. I just feel so sad that kids are missing out on being kids. It's not the worst childhood obviously but it's also not as good as it could be.

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Wonderingpigeon · 03/01/2025 02:54

Agix · 03/01/2025 01:32

Our school system isn't to educate kids to teach them useful things or become well rounded, happy adults. It's to condition them to be workers. That, perhaps along with being childcare so their parents can be workers, is the only aim.

This tbh. Which is why it is so ill-equiped to deal with children with additional needs and cater to the diversity in our society these days. The model is very outdated from a time where this aim was a bit more transparent. It's quite a task to overhaul it and with our economy I don't think the government wants to due to the financial impact. Also now we need dual income households and more workers not sure how they will get around it, but it is become glaringinly obvious it's not working currently.

Pieceofpurplesky · 03/01/2025 02:46

Teacher of 25 years. The education system exists to push kids through an exam to form a statistic. The exams and curriculum were designed by people who were either at private school or in top sets. They have no clue how children learn and how bloody ridiculous it is.

I have a bottom set year 10 who are lively but I like them! Is Shakespeare, learning 15 poems or writing a comparative essay ever going to be of use to them? No. So many better things to do with their time that would improve their literacy skills.

bridgetreilly · 03/01/2025 02:19

Unpopular opinion incoming:

Reset the economy by restricting mortgage lending to three times a single salary, so that it becomes economically viable for most families not to need two incomes. Free nursery places means tested, only for those families where both parents do need to work. Make it normal for parents to do their own childcare pre-school and wraparound care for school aged kids. Move school age up to five or even six, and encourage schools to be flexible about part-time school in the first couple of years.

At the moment we have a system driven by maximising tax revenue: paying staff to look after other people’s children means two taxable incomes. Not paying parents to look after their own children generates no tax, but results in worse outcomes for children who are in long hours of inflexible childcare and school from very early ages. It’s bonkers.

Wishitwasstraightforward · 03/01/2025 02:13

Agix
Our school system isn't to educate kids to teach them useful things or become well rounded, happy adults. It's to condition them to be workers. That, perhaps along with being childcare so their parents can be workers, is the only aim.

This as a Head Teacher of many years. This 100% our education system is all about compliance and a curriculum that is not fit for purpose.

Couldn't agree more. Kids know it, parents know it teachers know it, head teachers know it. All powerless to change it.

Ohthatsabitshit · 03/01/2025 02:11

God I’d have been bored rigid if I couldn’t read as a young child.

Frozensun · 03/01/2025 02:02

I understand Finland’s education results consistently outperform other countries’ systems. Finland don’t start formal education until the year they turn 7. I don’t have any detailed knowledge on the curriculum as such, but there would appear to be no disadvantage on starting later.

elliejjtiny · 03/01/2025 02:02

@Zoflorabore definitely. My 10 year old has autism, is extremely academically able in maths, about average in all other subjects, defeats writing and is socially and emotionally like a toddler. The special needs schools in my area are for either severe/profound learning disabilities or severe mental health or behaviour issues. None of which my ds has.

Prettydisgustingactually · 03/01/2025 01:59

Great post @CookiePlough
Work in schools and absolutely agree. Most of my year 6 kids cannot dress themselves, tie shoelaces or look after their stuff.

Snorlaxo · 03/01/2025 01:55

@Agix is right. If you wanted to truly educate your kids then you’d home educate rather than send your kids to school but people need to work and it’s time consuming and costly to devise an actual well rounded curriculum as even the most educated parents can’t teach every subject and need to buy in some help.

Zoflorabore · 03/01/2025 01:55

4/5 year olds in reception very much learn through play and don’t tend to do formal learning until year 1. I think American children start quite late at 6 to be honest.

my current issue with the educational system is that it doesn’t really cater for children who have autism but who are extremely able. My 13 year old has been home from school for over a year now as she couldn’t cope with the changes going to a huge high school, severe anxiety etc but top set. The SEN school’s available in our borough don’t even offer GCSE’s. It’s hard trying to do what’s best for her because she’s missing so much academically but she’s much happier and settled at home.

Thetraitor · 03/01/2025 01:52

Agix · 03/01/2025 01:32

Our school system isn't to educate kids to teach them useful things or become well rounded, happy adults. It's to condition them to be workers. That, perhaps along with being childcare so their parents can be workers, is the only aim.

This as a Head Teacher of many years. This 100% our education system is all about compliance and a curriculum that is not fit for purpose.

andIsaid · 03/01/2025 01:50

You are not wrong

MobilityCat · 03/01/2025 01:47

While it might seem that starting school early takes away from childhood, there are reasons behind it. Early education focuses on building foundational skills like reading and math, which help children succeed later. Many schools also use play-based methods to teach, blending learning with fun. I do agree that unstructured play is vital for creativity and emotional growth. A long school day can make it harder to fit in play, family time, and other activities. The key might be finding a balance ensuring kids get both the learning they need and the freedom to just be kids.

Agix · 03/01/2025 01:32

Our school system isn't to educate kids to teach them useful things or become well rounded, happy adults. It's to condition them to be workers. That, perhaps along with being childcare so their parents can be workers, is the only aim.