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To think new mums are sometimes misled with the amount of ‘help’ to expect

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SneakyLilNameChange · 02/01/2025 07:49

Friend recently had a baby and was speaking to me a few weeks later about how no one had ‘helped’ her in the early days. She has a v supportive partner who had 4 weeks off and did at least his fair share and then some but she meant friends and family really. The books she had read said when guests come she should go nap or ask them to do washing etc when in reality she felt cheeky asking them that and no one offered or started doing tasks/chores around the house. Something on social media suggested saying people could visit only if they bought a meal which she apparently suggested to a sibling who came with no meal and thought she was joking. Despite having all their family come, coo and bring gifts and support them emotionally she feels really let down.

It made me think actually that all sounds like normal family behaviour and telling women their visitors will roll their sleeves up and run a hoover around or bring meals is unrealistic. Some family will and it would be lovely to have that obviously but for most people it’s them and their partner who do everything. It certainly was for us!

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kiraric · 02/01/2025 11:15

What’s saddest of all though is how many women in this thread don’t seem to think they are worthy of help and assistance and care in the post-partum period

I don't think anyone has said that. I think it's more been a conversation about where that help, assistance and care comes from. And different people need different amounts of it. I found having a toddler a lot more stressful than a newborn.

Fluufer · 02/01/2025 11:15

kiraric · 02/01/2025 11:12

All I really wanted from a friend at that point was a nice chat. Which wasn't a huge test.

I wouldn't want someone I didn't like in my house even if I didn't have a newborn and I certainly wouldn't want them to clean it.

Well then, that's my original point. Why would I want someone to come, be served and tell me how tired I was? You wouldn't....

PeppyGreenFinch · 02/01/2025 11:14

GoldMerchant · 02/01/2025 07:57

I don't think it's too much to expect close relatives eg mum, sister, mother in law to say something like "would it be useful if I ran the hoover round?", "do you need someone to hold the baby while you shower?" or "can I get you any shopping?" if they visit. But it's crazy to expect everyone to do this - for a start, lots of people would be embarrassed at implying that someone's house wasn't clean enough.

I do think the attitude of "you're here only to help me, not to enjoy the baby at all" is weird. It's totally possible to do both.

Do only women count as close relatives?

Allihavetodoisdream · 02/01/2025 11:13

As this thread demonstrates, many families do sweet fuck all when their loved ones become parents. But in others the idea of coming over and even having a cup of tea made for you is mortifying.

My family is the latter so I can imagine if you have the former it must feel like a big let down. What’s saddest of all though is how many women in this thread don’t seem to think they are worthy of help and assistance and care in the post-partum period. I think it’s a reflection of how hyper capitalist and individualist a lot of U.K. culture has become compared with other countries.

kiraric · 02/01/2025 11:12

Fluufer · 02/01/2025 11:05

Friends, I wouldn't. Can't choose family though. Also though, you don't actually know whether you can rely on someone until it's put to the test...

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All I really wanted from a friend at that point was a nice chat. Which wasn't a huge test.

I wouldn't want someone I didn't like in my house even if I didn't have a newborn and I certainly wouldn't want them to clean it.

sofaofchange · 02/01/2025 11:11

To be fair as well, friends may have their own responsibilities. I had my kids first out of my friendship group- when my friends were having babies I already had a 4 year old and a 2 year old and was working as well as we had to for our mortgage. Frankly, I was knackered and simply didnt have the energy to go around cleaning friend's houses on top of my own. It wasnt that I was being mean, I already had enough on my own plate. I think it's unfair to suggest that unless your friends are cleaning your house from top to bottom they are shit friends.

PeppyGreenFinch · 02/01/2025 11:09

How many people did your friend help before she had her kids?

BettyBardMacDonald · 02/01/2025 11:08

@LondonFox But your parents already have done their part by raising you! They shouldn't have to earn goodwill by doing heavy lifting for yet another generation!

Shakeyourbaublesandsmile · 02/01/2025 11:08

MrsRobinsonsHandprints · 02/01/2025 08:35

This is an awful post.

A truly awful, judgemental and horrible post made by ill informed assumptions.

Many people experience terrible things that are scary. But it is incorrect to label it as ptsd. The post does not say they were diagnosed with ptsd, and neither do they mention any ptsd symptoms.

How would you know if my post is il-informed? You don’t know what I’m informed by?

I wasn’t mean or lacking in acknowledgement of the poster difficulties but I was calling out the use of labelling it as ptsd.

Fluufer · 02/01/2025 11:05

kiraric · 02/01/2025 11:03

Why would you be friends with someone who you didn't like?

Friends, I wouldn't. Can't choose family though. Also though, you don't actually know whether you can rely on someone until it's put to the test...

kiraric · 02/01/2025 11:03

Fluufer · 02/01/2025 10:58

Well then there you go. Not everyone's circle is as lovely as yours. And not everyone's DH is around to make the drinks...

Why would you be friends with someone who you didn't like?

TheignT · 02/01/2025 11:03

MrRobinsonsQuango · 02/01/2025 10:59

Loving the sound of the 1 months paternity leave people keep mentioning as standard 🤣. Makes me think of the full pay maternity leave and months of paid leave to sort out personal emergencies that people who don't work think exist for everyone

Already there are 2 camps emerging with 1 saying "l had it so hard they don't know they're born today" (forgetting their week long stint on a maternity ward where them and their child got some actual care!). Then actually being able to afford to be a SAHP as they didn’t have the same pressure to earn money

I don't think that is fair. I had the week in hospital and lots of support afterwards and haven't been dismissive about mums not getting that now. By the way I had to go back to work in the 70s and we needed my money to pay the mortgage.

Maybe more than two camps?

ttcat37 · 02/01/2025 11:02

Tahlbias · 02/01/2025 10:39

I really don't get it! The entitlement of some new mums... You've had a baby. You are not sick and life carries on. Get over yourselves 🤨

You get over yourself. Who are you, the joy police? It’s called boundaries - a very alien concept to so many mumsnetters apparently!
Go and be miserable away from people who feel special and happy around their newborns. Having a baby is a miracle, every single time.

Mountainpika · 02/01/2025 11:01

When our first son was born in 1975 my husband had a couple of days off work. I wasn't working outside the home. No parental leave back then. No relatives nearby and at that time didn't know many people locally. A couple of visits from the local nurse and that was it. I got on with it. Same when second son arrived three years later. One income was enough to live on without frills and fancies. We were happy. Both boys are doing well in their chosen spheres. Things have changed a lot since then!

Floatlikeafeather2 · 02/01/2025 11:01

I really don't know when this "village" idea actually existed. I always thought it was a hippified, commune based notion, popularised in the 60s/early 70s, that barely existed as an idea outside those circles. I had my first baby in the early 80s. Paternity leave wasn't a thing in Britain. My husband had to take annual leave even to be at the birth, which I inconveniently spread over 2 days. After that, we spent 5 days in hospital and he sprinted over to see us in his lunch hour. I think he had an afternoon off to bring us home. Luckily that was a Friday so he was available to me for general help and moral support over the weekend. And that was it. All the rest of his annual leave had been used on our honeymoon, 11 months previously. My parents, who lived an hour away, were both still working so could only visit at the weekend, when my husband was home anyway. In the evenings, he was as useful as he possibly could be. My daughter was an evening screamer and he was very good at calming her. The point is, we just got on with it. We had no expectation that it would be any different and so we managed, and this was how it was for just about everyone else that I knew.

MrRobinsonsQuango · 02/01/2025 10:59

SovietSpy · 02/01/2025 10:38

And as for this particular thread, it seems strange to expect other people to do the cleaning and cooking when the father is at home for a month

just a reminder that 2/3 of men don’t take two weeks or less paternity leave. So there are many new mothers at home without their partner there.

obviously if you have a selfish layout partner then no, other people shouldn’t be cooking and cleaning while they chill out. But a lot of men simply won’t be home. And those that are might be sleep deprived from helping with night feeds. They might be picking up all the other chores. Doesn’t mean a parent can’t pop round and offer to make a meal or drop some shopping off. But apparently that’s entitled behaviour enabled by social media according MN,

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Loving the sound of the 1 months paternity leave people keep mentioning as standard 🤣. Makes me think of the full pay maternity leave and months of paid leave to sort out personal emergencies that people who don't work think exist for everyone

Already there are 2 camps emerging with 1 saying "l had it so hard they don't know they're born today" (forgetting their week long stint on a maternity ward where them and their child got some actual care!). Then actually being able to afford to be a SAHP as they didn’t have the same pressure to earn money

TheignT · 02/01/2025 10:58

Sahara123 · 02/01/2025 10:52

Oh help 🥹 that’s got me !

Sorry.

Fluufer · 02/01/2025 10:58

kiraric · 02/01/2025 10:49

I could barely walk after DC1 for a couple of weeks. I think DH would have made the tea for visitors.

I wouldn't have had anyone round that I wasn't pleased to see though

Well then there you go. Not everyone's circle is as lovely as yours. And not everyone's DH is around to make the drinks...

PumpkinsAndCoconuts · 02/01/2025 10:55

GoldMerchant · 02/01/2025 07:57

I don't think it's too much to expect close relatives eg mum, sister, mother in law to say something like "would it be useful if I ran the hoover round?", "do you need someone to hold the baby while you shower?" or "can I get you any shopping?" if they visit. But it's crazy to expect everyone to do this - for a start, lots of people would be embarrassed at implying that someone's house wasn't clean enough.

I do think the attitude of "you're here only to help me, not to enjoy the baby at all" is weird. It's totally possible to do both.

But dad, brother and father in law shouldn’t?

himyf · 02/01/2025 10:54

I can’t get my head around people who want others to wash up or hoover or do their washing. There’s nothing that would make me feel more stressed and on edge! Why would I want my mum or my in-laws to clean my house for me? I’d find it mortifying.

Sahara123 · 02/01/2025 10:54

Also reminds me of the time these mums saw my daughter aged 4 take her first wobbly steps in the playground as we waited. Not a dry eye in the house.
If any of you happen to be on here and recognise yourselves, thank you x

fitzwilliamdarcy · 02/01/2025 10:53

Any other illness or medical events are treated differently. If you break an ankle, people do offer to bring you food.

Yeah, not in my experience. If you have family and friends who are the type to bring food, they'll do so regardless of why you're incapacitated. If you don't, they won't. I had major surgery with a 12-week recovery time and nobody helped me. I was back in work before it elapsed because I couldn't afford to not be paid.

IMHO it's not that the world just hates mums but wants nothing more than to care for sick people. It has way more to do with the people around you.

Eyeballpaula · 02/01/2025 10:53

The truth is we live in an individualistic society where we look after ourselves. It's only when we need help e.g after having a baby, or when unwell, that we realise we cannot do this alone (or, it's much better with help).

We are the village and have to create the village. I've done this for friends who are new mums, but between working full time, caring for my mum and looking after my kids it doesn't leave a lot of time to help/ visit.

Wonderi · 02/01/2025 10:52

WonderingWanda · 02/01/2025 10:07

Most people who p opped round for a visit were interested in holding the baby. I don't really know where all these books get their ideas from but very few people offered to help beyond washing up their tea cup. Dm did come to stay for a week when dh had to go away and tried to help a bit and when our second dc came along and had to go into hospital my inlaws came and mil did all the washing and ironing for me. Neither my parents or inlaws live nearby though so maybe if they did they would've been round to help more.

Most people who p opped round for a visit were interested in holding the baby. I don't really know where all these books get their ideas from but very few people offered to help beyond washing up their tea cup.

See this is exactly what I thought would be helpful.

I of course want to see/hold the baby anyway but my thought was always I’ll hold the baby, whilst you have a shower, nap, do tea, clean, wash up etc.

I would never expect anyone to come over to cook or clean for me and I would feel awfully rude to suggest that I do the cleaning for them.

I can imagine lots of people on here would be offended if a MIL started cleaning, going by some of the threads.

But if this is something that you would have found helpful, then it’s definitely worth knowing and something I’d offer in the future.

Sahara123 · 02/01/2025 10:52

TheignT · 02/01/2025 10:46

That's lovely, little things can make such a difference.

I remember a mum turning up at school with her new baby who had Down's. Everyone crowded round and said how lovely he was and some asking for a hold. She cried and said we were the first people who had said anything positive about the baby. I thought that was so sad and was so glad she had a bit of new mum experience with people admiring the baby.

Oh help 🥹 that’s got me !

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