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Don’t want MiL at my mother’s funeral

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Toomuchtrouble4me · 01/01/2025 22:58

My elderly mother has passed. She will have a small intimate gathering of closest friends and family.
My MiL wants to come, I have said no, it’s intimate, we are grieving and surrounding her with those who loved her. Mil and mum had relationship beyond pleasantries when they met at kids birthdays etc.
MiL won’t know anybody there and I feel wants to come to gawp, as a spectator, she didn’t live my mum, she didn’t have a relationship with her and mum wasn’t keen. I really don’t want her there.
DH is sulking about it.
For context they are a large catholic family and if they’ve vaguely nodded to someone at a bus stop, they will go to the funeral. We are CofE and far more reserved, I actually think it’s rude to attend a funeral of a person you don’t have depth of feeling for. Both perspectives are valid, but as it’s My Mother - AIBU to just say back off, this is my mums day, my decision, it’s not about your mum and she’s not on the list, that’s the end of it. I’m happy to tell her she can’t come.

OP posts:
SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 04/01/2025 14:18

Allowed not allied

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 04/01/2025 14:02

Ariadneefron · 04/01/2025 12:35

Using a funeral to exclude one member of the family whom you don't like is, though. With the amount of support in the I'm really coming round to the idea that the English are, or perhaps have lately become a bunch of self centered bastards with no sense of community.

She just doesn't want her mil there. She's allied to have preferences. It's her mum's funeral. Private grief and togetherness with people the op loves. Not her mil. It's really not that big a deal.

You can't be invited to everything.

OnlyWhenILaugh · 04/01/2025 13:46

Just for your education @Ariadneefron
In the UK no legal definition of ‘family’ exists from Oxford University Press

saraclara · 04/01/2025 13:42

Completelyjo · 04/01/2025 13:37

Despite what you claim your mother in law is part of your family.

This is weirdly unhinged behaviour and you’re obsessively focusing on this one thing to make an issue of as a way to avoid grief imo.

MIL doesn't seem to think so. She's not even interested in her grandchildren, her actual blood family. She doesn't know their birthdays and has never given them a card or a present.

thepariscrimefiles · 04/01/2025 13:41

Ariadneefron · 04/01/2025 13:25

Your husbands mother is a member of your family. In law she is a member of your family. In common practice she is a member of your family. The two mothers of a married couple are members of the same family.

So no, that doesn't say to me MIL didn't want her there. That says to me, MIL said to invite the family, but OP is not going to invite that member of the family.

That's fine. Dont invited a woman you hate! But don't pretend it's reasonable.

Your reading comprehension is possibly worse than your total lack of empathy, but it's a close run thing.

I can't believe that you are just making up a scenario where OP's mum actually wants OP's MIL to attend her funeral and OP is just being mean.

Please read @nationalsausagefund post above where she clearly lists all examples of OP's mum not wanting OP's MIL at the funeral.

Also, I'm not sure what your witterings about OP's mum and OP's MIL being members of the same family in law, as though there is some legal obligation for them to be invited to each other's funerals are supposed to prove.

saraclara · 04/01/2025 13:40

Again, boundaries are a huge thing on Mumsnet, and everyone seems to be in favour of them. But the deceased's boundaries and those of her daughter? They can be trampled all over.

OnlyWhenILaugh · 04/01/2025 13:39

The two mothers of a married couple are members of the same family
They are not @Ariadneefron

Iwanttoliveonamountain · 04/01/2025 13:37

I cannot believe the number of people who are getting involved in this thread with a ridiculous argument. any other situation it’s a social situation you can exclude who you want.

Completelyjo · 04/01/2025 13:37

Despite what you claim your mother in law is part of your family.

This is weirdly unhinged behaviour and you’re obsessively focusing on this one thing to make an issue of as a way to avoid grief imo.

OnlyWhenILaugh · 04/01/2025 13:36

Ariadneefron · 04/01/2025 12:44

Quote me where the mother said she specifically did not want the mother in law to come?

If she did do do that I would say, pretty awful thing to do to your family. ' As my dying wish, I want you to have a row with your husbands mother'

Your arguments are pathetic.
Of course the OPs mother didn't make a deathbed declaration ffs. But I think it's reasonable to accept that OP knew her own mother's feelings.

You wrote With the amount of support in the I'm really coming round to the idea that the English are, or perhaps have lately become a bunch of self centered bastards with no sense of community

A thoroughly ridiculous and nasty generalisation that demonstrates nothing but your inability or stubborn refusal to look at the OP from any perspective than your own.

I'd say the MIL shows far worse qualities than "the English". Her sense of community doesn't even stretch as far as her own grandchildren.

But you think OP should shelve her own feelings whilst deep in grief, to accommodate this woman? Thankfully she isn't going to.

nationalsausagefund · 04/01/2025 13:34

Your husbands mother is a member of your family. In law she is a member of your family. In common practice she is a member of your family. The two mothers of a married couple are members of the same family.
Huge “citation needed” vibes here.

This is all opinion, not fact, not everyone’s norm, certainly not the OP’s norm, it’s not common practice for everyone. My mother and MIL never met; my parents’ parents never met. Not family except in your opinion.

thepariscrimefiles · 04/01/2025 13:31

Ariadneefron · 04/01/2025 11:55

@ AaaahBlandsHatch

I'm surprised how many people think 'this funeral is about me and my grief ' is not ragingly narcissistic.

Surely it's more ragingly narcissistic to only be able to see issues from your own perspective and how this would be perceived in your own family?

As you are calling a grieving woman 'ragingly narcissistic' and as you are unable to see any raging narcissism in the OP's MIL's conduct, i.e. having no relationship with her grandchildren, her DIL and her DIL's mum (who picks up all the slack and childcare that OP's MIL doesn't do) and who still expects to be welcome at the funeral, I will take your santimonious essay with a pinch of salt.

Ariadneefron · 04/01/2025 13:25

Your husbands mother is a member of your family. In law she is a member of your family. In common practice she is a member of your family. The two mothers of a married couple are members of the same family.

So no, that doesn't say to me MIL didn't want her there. That says to me, MIL said to invite the family, but OP is not going to invite that member of the family.

That's fine. Dont invited a woman you hate! But don't pretend it's reasonable.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 04/01/2025 13:21

Whatever your culture, surely everyone can agree that the culture of the deceased takes precedence

You'd think so wouldn't you, @nationalsausagefund?
My own view's always been that the wishes of the immediate family come first, but even if that wasn't the case I'm genuinely wondering what those who attend everything regardless of the prior relationship get out of it

If they hardly even knew the deceased there's clearly little real point beyond an extra bum on a seat, so is it some kind of brownie points thing, or worry that they'll be talked about if they don't show, or something else?

nationalsausagefund · 04/01/2025 12:56

Ariadneefron · 04/01/2025 12:44

Quote me where the mother said she specifically did not want the mother in law to come?

If she did do do that I would say, pretty awful thing to do to your family. ' As my dying wish, I want you to have a row with your husbands mother'

“they go to funerals of literally anyone they vaguely know in DH’s family. In mine, we don’t, it has to be close.” MIL is not OP’s Mum’s family, let alone close.

“I just don’t want the bloody woman at my mother’s funeral, nor did mum,” There you go, Mum didn’t want MIL there.

“Mum asked me not to tell any of her ex work colleagues until after the funeral. She wants her own children, siblings, nieces and nephews, grandchildren and a select group of dearly loved friends. That’s it.” Definitely no MIL.

“[MIL’s] non relationship with my mum. They have never shared a phone call, been to each others homes, had a coffee, not even a Christmas card, nothing. There is no relationship,” They’re not family so OP isn’t excluding family.

“My children are [MIL’s] family, (even though she doesn’t know when their birthdays are) but I’m not, nor was mum.” There you have it.

Absolutely no reason this should cause a row with OP’s husband, as this is OP’s family’s funeral – their culture, their choice. Not everyone is Catholic, shocker.

For future reference, you can choose to see all of OP’s posts and find information for yourself, it’s easy!

KnifeForkAndSpoon2 · 04/01/2025 12:49

I think you should respect her wishes. My grandmother had a letter with her will and it said a number of things including ‘The Harrison’s are not to be invited to my funeral’ 😂😂 (names changed) It was all down to some petty feud over a lavender bush about 25 years ago but my parents respected it and they weren’t invited 🤷‍♀️

Ariadneefron · 04/01/2025 12:44

Quote me where the mother said she specifically did not want the mother in law to come?

If she did do do that I would say, pretty awful thing to do to your family. ' As my dying wish, I want you to have a row with your husbands mother'

nationalsausagefund · 04/01/2025 12:43

Ariadneefron · 04/01/2025 12:35

Using a funeral to exclude one member of the family whom you don't like is, though. With the amount of support in the I'm really coming round to the idea that the English are, or perhaps have lately become a bunch of self centered bastards with no sense of community.

She’s not “using the funeral” as a weapon to beat MIL with. She’s just fulfilling her mother’s wishes for a very small, private gathering.

Honestly it’s fitting how often religion has come up in this thread given how many posts have made me exclaim “Jesus wept!” out loud.

Fluffyyellowball · 04/01/2025 12:43

My whole in laws family came to my father's funeral. To be honest it really helped as it had been a very traumatic time and they were so supportive and loving towards me. It meant a lot.

saraclara · 04/01/2025 12:40

Ariadneefron · 04/01/2025 11:55

@ AaaahBlandsHatch

I'm surprised how many people think 'this funeral is about me and my grief ' is not ragingly narcissistic.

Are you also claiming that OP's mother was narcissistic then? Because these were HER wishes.

Seriously, this is mind boggling logic. Who is a funeral for if it's not mainly about the deceased and their immediate family?

Ariadneefron · 04/01/2025 12:35

Using a funeral to exclude one member of the family whom you don't like is, though. With the amount of support in the I'm really coming round to the idea that the English are, or perhaps have lately become a bunch of self centered bastards with no sense of community.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 04/01/2025 12:18

I think funerals are about the bereaved and their grief actually. Not narcissistic in the least.

It's a rite of passage, a finality, the last goodbye.

Ariadneefron · 04/01/2025 11:55

@ AaaahBlandsHatch

I'm surprised how many people think 'this funeral is about me and my grief ' is not ragingly narcissistic.

nationalsausagefund · 04/01/2025 10:20

Fountofwisdom · 04/01/2025 09:57

I find this concept of controlling who attends funerals peculiarly English. In Ireland, people routinely attend funerals of neighbours, acquaintances, distant relatives, etc, as a mark of respect. No one would dream of turning anyone away, or having any say in who attends. It seems at best churlish, at worst very rude, to tell your MIL or anyone else to stay away. On the day, you will be in your own bubble of close family and concentrating on your own feelings. Don’t worry about who else is or isn’t there. If she’s Catholic, most likely she wants to go to pay her respects, as that is the cultural norm for Catholics. It’s not worth obsessing over.

But it’s not OP’s family’s cultural norm! And, whatever your culture, surely everyone can agree that the culture of the deceased takes precedence. It doesn’t matter a jot what MIL’s culture is: it’s literally not her funeral.

It doesn’t matter if you find it “peculiarly” English, which sounds a little as if you think the Irish way is better. There is no better: just different.

AaaahBlandsHatch · 04/01/2025 10:14

Ariadneefron · 02/01/2025 12:06

If I went to my mother and said ' Husband does not want you to come to his mother's funeral ' she would say 'why?' and either I would end up spelling it out in actual words or I would attempt to obfusc and she would know that the answer was 'because he doesn't like you.'

My mother is polite and not given to blood feuds but her feelings would be hurt. Rightly so. She would not have a show down with my husband but she would probably politely excuse herself from our family occasions after that. There might be a slight chill between us. My children would see less of her. I would have to go out of my way to see her without my spouse being there. I could not talk freely to her about my family life after that.

My siblings are not so polite. I guarantee we would have arguments about this. They would argue with me and they might argue with him. They might have words with my husband and they might be unforgivable words. I suspect my spouse would be explicitly excluded from all family events after this hypothetical event, certainly if my mother was invited, and my family would not attend ours. So every time I wanted to see a member of my family, attend a birthday or a wedding or a Christmas dinner or, yes, a funeral, I would have to say to my husband 'You are not invited because they don't like you. And also my mother is coming and she doesn't like you either, now.'

And then I'm visiting people who think my husband is so awful that they won't have him in the house. Do I take my children into that environment or do they never see Uncles, Aunts and cousins again? How do we explain why their cousins and Nana have stopped coming to birthday parties at our house? Is my husband ok with me still seeing them alone or do we argue about that, too?

Suddenly, I'm guessing, the subject is coming up on a regular basis, every time a family event approaches we go over the time he said he didn't like my mum and she's not a member of his family and he didn't want her at a funeral, and then as a result I had to go and hurt her feelings and I was put in a difficult situation I didn't want to be in. By him.

Maybe I 'm thinking, 'where does that leave me? Am I member of your family?' Maybe every time the problem comes up, I think 'yeah, my siblings are right. You are an arsehole and you don't give a shit about my feelings. You gaslighted me and said I was sulking. Maybe my siblings, who I like and trust, actually have a point about you.' And then where do we go?

Anyway, this is all hypothetical obviously. All families are different, but that's roughly how it would pan out in my family.

Edited

I think it would actually be doing your children a favour for them not to maintain a relationship with these people, they sound absolutely unbearable.

Sadly I'm familiar with the type - sanctimonious, overdramatic bores obsessed with imagined slights (just as your posts show you to be).

OP YANBU. Many PP seem to be generalising or basing their reactions on their own family circumstances ,whereas you know your MIL and what she's like. Well done on reaching your decision.

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