To think dogs shouldn't be in pubs?

What about a snoozing baby vs a growling or barking dog, or one that comes up to everyone and dribbles all over them?

It’s as valid a comparison.

As someone has pointed out I could make the same point about fireworks - they’re allowed, so tough. Deal with it. But the dog owners don’t see it that way.

As with many on here, I would rather have a snoozing dog than a noisy child throwing food around, or a stinky baby.

As reasonable as someone who loves dogs surely?

I’d rather sit next to a dog in a pub than a child watching peppa pig on a iPad at full volume.
If dogs are allowed in then it’s tough really.

Indeed. The majority of people like fireworks, but just try using that justification to a dog owner 😂

I have no problem with well trained and controllled dogs in an appropriate environment. Country pub? Fine. Busy city centre cafe - no, and I don’t suppose the dog enjoys it much either. Tolerates, maybe. But enjoys?

I’m surprised that as many as 1 in 3 households have a dog, but those are the facts. I don’t think they should be in supermarkets though, and I’m not a fan of the in shops sniffing around the clothes / furnishings etc. Just because you can take a dog somewhere doesn’t mean you should. All dog owners think their dog is better behaved than all the others. They never are.

It's an income stream and god knows they need it! Dog walkers stopping for a beer or coffee and snacks - they sometimes have dog free areas

That’s my point exactly though. You are saying you need your dog to leave the house, but you don’t as you go to plenty of other places without it.

Your dog isn’t a registered service dog, therefore your rights to have the dog with you do not surpass anyone else’s, it’s a pet nothing more, despite how you may personally feel about it. This is the self entitlement I was talking about. Dog owners often have no consideration for other people who do not like them and that’s the issue I was trying to discuss. You take the dog because it makes you feel better without considering that someone who is deathly allergic to your dog will now not be able to see their friends in the same cafe because you feel the need to take your dog with you when it doesn’t actually need to be there. Unless a dog is a service animal, a dog is a pet and should not be considered ‘higher’ or more important than a human, and other people shouldn’t have to be forced to be around other peoples pets when going about their business.

Like I said before the majority of places are now dog friendly so people are increasingly finding it impossible to socialise and go about their day without a dog being there and that shouldn’t be the case. There are family areas of many pubs and restaurants where all us parents get shoved out the way, having to put up with other peoples feral children despite my own being able to sit at a table without bothering anyone else. There should be dog only spaces for the same reasons. If people want to sit in a restaurant with dogs sniffing their crotch and putting their salvia all over the tables that’s up to them, but I shouldn’t be forced to have to put up with it and more times than not, I am!

@5128gap that was supposed to be directed at @5431go

I don't like seeing them (and smelling them) anywhere that I'm eating or drinking. So if there are dogs in the pub, I won't stay. But that's my issue and I totally get how handy it must be for dog owners to be able go for a walk, then stop and have something to eat or drink without worrying about where to put their dog. However, people have started to take their dogs into Costa at the shopping centre a few miles from us and there isn't anywhere to go for a walk nearby. So they have ushered poor Bonzo into the car, driven him to the shopping centre, quite likely trailed him around Next and Boots, then on into Costa. This I don't get at all. Leave him at home while you get your shopping. He'll survive for an hour or two. He probably hates shopping anyway.

I haven't got a dog and I don't think the majority of people love dogs. You're mixing me up with another poster I think?

As being dog friendly boosts profits by 20-50% then they're here to stay. It must also be a boost to mumsnet profits as a top space for moaning about it. Win win!

My dog loves pubs and drags me in. I swear she can smell them as she asks to go in ones we've never stepped foot in. She gets treats and tickles and it's warm. She's not stupid!

YABU. Country pubs would lose a huge amount of custom if dogs were banned. In places like Cornwall or the Lakes, people go for a drink or some food after a walk. A nice pint after a bracing dog walk is one of life’s pleasures

Most have separate dog areas

Yes, For one thing, dogs are on leads...

@satsumaqueen did you not read my post properly? I don't take my dog to supermarkets, I don't take my dog to shopping centres.. I definitely don't take my dog to my many hospital appointments or to the dentist... my DH does our shopping, I clothes shop online or DH goes with me (therefore I'm not alone and DDog stays home). But I do take her to a dog friendly cafe to have a coffee and chat with friend which gives me a change of scenery from staring at four walls all day.

Joking apart, it really has made taking the dog to the pub a joy, he just chills out and keeps an eye / ear out for any dropped chips.

People seem less aware or concerned of their effect on other people, (e.g. dogs, children, parking, speaker phones, being a twat etc) these days, exacerbated by people not wanting to call them out.

As I get older (grumpier?) I'm more likely to politely tell someone if there're being inconsiderate, half the time I don't think they even realise.

I’m 100%ok with little dogs but don’t think they should be sitting on seats as some in our local do. The local pub is very dog friendly but it’s a tiny pub and I don’t like huge big dogs as I find them a bit scary and some take up more room than people 🤣

@K0OLA1D

My collie always loved a hotel trip, he particularly liked revolving doors (go figure). He used to sit excitedly at check in and even was fine in lifts. I always chose places that had a dog friendly eating area

@Tara336 sorry I’m not buying that. Do you never go anywhere without your dog? What about if you need to go to the doctors or dentist does it come with you?

Agree. Piss off with them. We don’t all love the dog like you do. Last time I went to a pub I had to wipe up slobber from a water bowl before someone slipped in it. Just yuk

I have dogs, very well behaved ones, they occasionally come to the pub if we are away and the holiday home states they cannot be left alone. We prefer not to take them as they seem to be a magnet for untrained children!

we were once away, I was sat on a bench waiting for my DH to come out of the supermarket, I had one dog at the time and she was sound asleep between my feet, some idiot who was not paying attention to her child didn’t see him run full pelt at my dog and grab her face before I saw him (I was on the phone to my unwell relative)

child and parent are extremely lucky that my dog is so well behaved, even the best behaved animals could have bitten in that situation, woken from their sleep to having their face pulled!

Yes we’re the same. We could take our last dog anywhere because she was super chilled, but we’re much more cautious about where we take our current one because he can be a total bellend, so he will only come into a pub at the end of a long walk and if he has space from other dogs.

Same with our kids, when they were going through the restless difficult stage we tended to steer away from places where they would be expected to sit still.

It’s about consideration to others, and when applied there should be a place for every person (and dog) to be welcome.

Dogs have always gone to pubs, long before kids were let in or even women were allowed in the public bar!

Wetherspoons don't allow them, larger pubs may have a no dogs section too

Is it behaving itself?