To think dogs shouldn't be in pubs?

I do wonder where a lot of posters live because there is not one single cafe, pub, or restaurant where I live that does not allow dogs.

And for what it's worth, yes I do have a dog. He will quite happily settle under the table. The issue is when people let their dogs strain on their lead from their table to try and get to him and are surprised when he doesn't like that, or their dogs sit barking at everyone, etc. Because of those dogs causing stress to him when he's just chilling out, we no longer take him with us.

Dogs have always been in pubs, it's not a new thing at all.

What I will say is that there are far more badly trained dogs these days with owners that don’t have a clue. I can see how if a dog was disturbing people in the pub that would be annoying.

I think it’s a post covid problem, every idiot got a dog during covid and wants to parade them around regardless of whether or not it’s a suitable environment. I live in a city and a local dog friendly pub repeatedly requests people stop bringing them when sports are being shown because it’s too busy. People continue to bring them anyway. Dickheads with dogs I call them.

People treat pets like children these days. It's all very odd.

Ha - yes me too!

I took my lovely, well behaved lab to the pub yesterday as we were doing a long walk with him. Pub was very dog friendly- they even had a dog menu with dog beer! You’d have hated it OP!

Anyway YABU. I would expect to see dogs in pubs. Maybe find one that doesn’t allow dogs. There tends to be less out in the evening than the day too.

but neither do I want babies being changed at the table or toddlers plonked on potties next to it.
You need to question your choice of venue if this is something you're encountering! Gross

It depends where the pub is. Ideally I'd say no way, but if it's a country pub that depends on walkers, they have to survive. Hopefully they have an outside area or a dining bit (rather than the bar) where dogs cannot go.
City centre pubs, restaurants etc should definitely enforce no dogs.
Tbh it wouldn't be so bad if there were dog free places as well but no, everywhere has to be 'dog friendly'.

YABU, if a venue chooses to allow dogs then they are allowed to be there, that is a choice the business is making.
I'd suggest checking next time and choosing somewhere that doesn't allow them, quite a lot of places I believe will allow them in the bar but not the dining area etc, some only outside in the garden.

YANBU
We were sitting having a drink in a pub this summer. Dog comes in, not on a lead, runs up to my daughter barking and jumps up at her leg (she was wearing shorts) and scratches her.
I asked owner to get her dog away from us, dog owner replies with a smirk, “Oh, don’t you like dogs?” as if I was the one in the wrong.
It’s unhygienic and anti social.
Plus dogs are very bad for the environment so no one should be getting one as a pet - we are in a climate emergency.

I grew up with dogs and they were loved and cared for but they weren’t treated like another child.

I agree OP, bloody everywhere.

Yabu. Very.

…and when everywhere in an area allows dogs?

I feel sorry for people with allergies and phobias in my local area. There’s literally nowhere they can go now other than the supermarket.

Dogs have always been in pubs. Man saying he was just taking the dog around the block was code for stopping off for a pint. That would have been at the bar, eating area separate.

Pubs were ruined when they knocked all the various rooms into one open space.
People seem to have moved their sitting rooms into the pub without adjusting their behaviour.
Now it's full of child paraphernalia and family dogs. Had they kept some rooms separate there could be one dog friendly room only.

As a dog lover but a sensible one, I don't want a load of dogs where I'm eating, but neither do I want babies being changed at the table or toddlers plonked on potties next to it.

YANBU but I shall prepare my bingo card for the dog obsessed people:

1. But but but people take CHILDREN to the pub and they are far worse
2. My dog is a member of the family
3. You wouldn't leave granny/your child at home
4. My bestest boy is so well-behaved
5. It's your problem if you dislike dogs, deal with it.

It’s not simple at all. 90% of places allow dogs these days and the messaging of whether they do or not for most businesses is not obvious.

YANBU 🍿
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Dog lovers do their research to find places that allow dogs. Dog haters do their research to find places that don't allow dogs.

It really is that simple.

Dogs have always been allowed in pubs. I think the difference is that more people have dogs now, and more people think think that because they can take their dog everywhere, means they should. I can take my dog to every pub, restaurant, and cafe near us but I do not.
A lot of dogs do not like that environment either and find it stressful.

What does get a bit irritating is pub dogs begging while you're eating, and dribbling over you. I've stopped going to several pubs because of this.

I agree and dogs can be left at home alone, kids can’t.
So the argument is pretty irrelevant.

I actually prefer dogs over kids myself but it’s a bit silly to say you’d rather have dogs over kids in these places, as half of their income is probably from families with kids so they’re not going to ban them.

Comparing the argument of dogs to children is ridiculous. And I’m someone that can barely tolerate other people’s kids.

Children need to be brought up in society, socialised and taught the skills of various environments. Children will become the adults who work in, own and pay for these businesses.

Dogs have no part in that.

See this is where the lines start blurring for me. I’m not attacking you in any way shape or form so please don’t feel like I am, but you’ve just said your dog gives you comfort and confidence which is great for you, but to alot of people would feel the exact opposite in the presence of your dog.

What gives dog owners the right to take their dog into somewhere? People who are scared of or allergic to dogs have as much right to shop and eat at restaurants as dog owners do. The main difference is that your dog doesn’t actually need to be there for you to eat a meal or buy something in a shop, unless it’s a registered service animal which is completely different.

I think alot of dog owners forget that. Dogs don’t have the same rights as humans as much as people may disagree, they are not equal and shouldn’t be treated like they are.

We took both our dogs (we have an elderly shihtzu.as well) to a dog friendly light trail the other night. Young DDog walking along nicely and elderly dog in his pram we were enjoying yhe lights but the whole thing became a nightmare as people were letting their kids rush up to my elderly dog who is blind and deaf and grab at him, I just managed to stop one kid doing it and I warned the parent if he's startled he will snap! She looked at me like I was an asshole and pulled the kid away. Had she just bloody asked I'd have said no he's not OK to stroke if he's not expecting it!

The kids obviously shouldn’t rush up to your dog, but if you have a dog that you know is prone to snapping you should have it muzzled if you’re going to take it to crowded places.

The dog-friendly light trail I went to was prsctically ruined by the number of badly-behaved dogs, so I may be biased. Website said “well-behaved dogs on short leads”, but I had at least 10 dogs try and jump up at me, at least 3 of which were on extendable (and extended) leads. I’m not entirely sure why those owners didn’t think the very clear rules applied to them.