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Didn’t realise my mates wouldn’t take their wailing kid out…. defriend?

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Newstart2024 · 01/01/2025 09:31

I have a group of parent friends from maternity leave with my kids…
Sort of a recipe for disaster but yesterday we had planned a 3:30pm cinema trip to see Moana 2 with the kids and a 5pm pizza and express/early new years.

My parent friends have young children as do I but I left Dad and our 1 year old home, took my 4 and 6 year old who I knew would do okay through a film or if not take them out….
Sat next to a friend and her just 4 year old and for 20 minutes halfway through the film he was crying/wailing. After a few minutes I said “why don’t you take him to the lobby” there’s seats and it’s quieter there but she just kept saying to him “we can’t leave.” And Shushing him! Her husband was there and they have another older child, but one parent could go out and one parent could stay surely?
People started staring and I was cringing so hard!
Finally after 20 minutes her partner got up and took the little kid out. Not least he was clearly tired/upset and not enjoying it?!!
I didn’t realise my friend would be the be the type to sit there with a wailing child and not leave. It totally ruined the trip!

Then after in pizza express my husband and 1 year old joined us and another friends 4 year old boy is basically obsessed with her and at some point, despite us on our guard against it (which isn’t relaxing) and even his own parents warning and watching him he tries and sometimes succeeds at whacking her on the head. Which he did last night whilst I was sorting out my own kids food and dropped my guard for a second…..
I don’t know why, he always gets told off but he always does it!
AIBU just to keep it to chats and the odd at home play date?
(Granted cinema and pizza express never going to be easy but felt like those two things potentially avoidable and sitting next to a crying child was mortifying!)

OP posts:
LadyQuackBeth · 01/01/2025 10:38

The trouble with parents who don't actually parent is that they think other people's children behave well by magic. They would think "the other kids are watching the film without wailing, of course mine can, he's the same age." There is never an acknowledgement that there's more to it than luck.

However, you were shocked your friends didn't take him out, so maybe they are usually considerate. They might have been weighing up asking people to let them in/out of the aisle. We can't judge on one incident.

You can however plan meet ups on future that fit all the kids invited, that's all you can do.

Miffylou · 01/01/2025 10:38

Pandasnacks · 01/01/2025 10:15

Do you have absolutely no concept of the fact some children are neurodiverse and can’t control their behaviour at 4?

Actually, I have taught young neurodiverse children. Being neurodiverse is not a get-out clause for bad behaviour. The child has to learn to live in the real world, which means understanding that unacceptable behaviour such as hurting other children has consequences.

If his parents know he is liable to hit babies on the head, they should have ensured that he wasn’t allowed near enough to the baby to hit her.

Newstart2024 · 01/01/2025 10:37

SALaw · 01/01/2025 10:18

How did he get access to your baby in a seated restaurant? I would just sit far away and baby out of reach

My baby was in a high chair, he was running around the table and can’t sit down for more than 2 minutes. This is where I say it’s hard not to be sympathetic as obviously something going on with him beyond the normal things you’d hope to have to parent… but I can’t relax knowing for some reason my little one always seems to be on the receiving end. It’s tricky to basically say we won’t be joining them anymore as he always hurts my child :(

OP posts:
CollyModdle · 01/01/2025 10:35

Stick to going to the park together

Relaxd · 01/01/2025 10:34

Thepeopleversuswork · 01/01/2025 09:51

”Defriending” is so unnecessarily melodramatic.

Standard day out with little kids: they didn’t handle it brilliantly and I would have grumbled a bit but there’s no need for the overreaction.

People used to be able to cope with day to day annoying things without the need for this performative “defriending”. It’s childish.

Just move on and stop overthinking things.

This. It does seem that many people these days don’t know how to get over an irritating but relatively straightforward situation or have the skills to maintain a relationship when things might have gone differently than they wanted. Just talk to your friend calmly about it if it’s bothering you so much, but if it is a one off I’d let it go.

mollymazda · 01/01/2025 10:33

i wish my kids were as perfect as OP's... and that i was as perfect a parent as OP clearly is.

BettyBardMacDonald · 01/01/2025 10:33

brightlyshone · 01/01/2025 09:56

I think you do have to accept if you’re meeting up with parent friends that they parent differently. Obviously we all think our approach is the right one and it might be for our child. I don’t agree with everything my friends do with their children but I’m sure I do things they don’t agree with.

Come on.

Letting a kid shriek and ruin the film for others isn't a "parenting style." It's entitled arsehole behaviour, and quite the window into their character.

In your shoes OP, I'd fade away. They aren't nice people.

LuHolyoake · 01/01/2025 10:33

Newstart2024 · 01/01/2025 10:27

Well not me or the other say 20 people who got fed up and kept staring at us.
my friend knew what was up or she wouldn’t be saying to him “sorry we can’t leave” knowing full well she or her partner could have done. A few minutes fine but if you can’t settle a crying child you don’t say “tough because we’re staying” at their expense and everyone nearby trying to watch a film?

I think you're being OTT but if you don't want to be friends, then don't be friends. I hope she has some support from people that are kinder than you.

oakleaffy · 01/01/2025 10:33

Newstart2024 · 01/01/2025 10:03

It’s not about the 4 year olds behavior is it? It’s about the parents sitting there ruining the film for everyone else in the cinema?
I’m surprised no one said anything as we certainly attracted a lot of stares!

Stares were saying “Take the annoying kid out!”
He sounds badly parented and no surprise they are looking for a diagnosis for it to further absolve them of being responsible parents .

Kids like this who love to suddenly hit babies never target older children, because they’d probably retaliate.

I remember paying a lot for a cinema ticket and a couple of unparented kids were stamping around running up and down the aisle doing frantic giggling- - ruined it for everyone.

Curtainqueen · 01/01/2025 10:33

Pandasnacks · 01/01/2025 10:15

Do you have absolutely no concept of the fact some children are neurodiverse and can’t control their behaviour at 4?

Then you don’t put them in situations you know they can’t cope with. Or worse still don’t do it anyway and just ignore the fallout.

Pandasnacks · 01/01/2025 10:30

PierceMorgansChin · 01/01/2025 10:28

Then it's up to the parent to remove the child from the situation and prevent them from hurting the baby. You don't need to be be patronising, whether baby is hurt by ND child ot typical child doesn't make a difference

It does when you blame the child. OP said both she and the parents were trying, I wouldn’t ditch my friends over that I’d just choose different activities to do. Nobody is a perfect parent

Sunbeam01 · 01/01/2025 10:29

20 minutes with a wailing child in the cinema!? That's insane.

healthybychristmas · 01/01/2025 10:29

TheFunHare · 01/01/2025 09:41

Sounds like a standard afternoon out with young kids tired and over stimulated from Xmas. Think you just have to accept that other kids are different and differently parented and enjoy the chaos.

How are you meant to enjoy watching a movie with a screaming child next to you?

PierceMorgansChin · 01/01/2025 10:28

Pandasnacks · 01/01/2025 10:15

Do you have absolutely no concept of the fact some children are neurodiverse and can’t control their behaviour at 4?

Then it's up to the parent to remove the child from the situation and prevent them from hurting the baby. You don't need to be be patronising, whether baby is hurt by ND child ot typical child doesn't make a difference

Curtainqueen · 01/01/2025 10:27

BonnyBugbear · 01/01/2025 10:17

The original post is extremely outing - she will know who she is if she reads this!

Edited

Hopefully she might be a little more aware the entire cinema wasn’t just there for her enjoyment and that there were other people there too.

Newstart2024 · 01/01/2025 10:27

LuHolyoake · 01/01/2025 10:15

Also, they did take the 4 year old out didn't they? Just not quickly enough for your liking. They tried some other things with him first, which for all you know might have worked with him at other times. And he was told off for hitting your daughter. So it's not like they're not parenting him. Just not to your exact specification and timeframe, which you presumably haven't communicated to them either.

I think you would be unreasonable to not be friends with them anymore, as it sounds like they are doing their best with him.

But yeah, maybe keep it some things that are more likely to be successful for the 4 year old.

I've had to drag my 4 year old around lots of family things this Christmas that weren't suitable for her, and deal with the looks and tutting from my family while occasionally she complained or cried. I had suggested other plans or not coming but they wouldn't hear of it. So we went and the predictable things happened and I dealt with it as best I could.

Perhaps they value your friendship and wanted to be involved, maybe they just misjudged this one slightly thinking he'd like it. I think you'd be unreasonable to significantly cool a friendship over this.

Well not me or the other say 20 people who got fed up and kept staring at us.
my friend knew what was up or she wouldn’t be saying to him “sorry we can’t leave” knowing full well she or her partner could have done. A few minutes fine but if you can’t settle a crying child you don’t say “tough because we’re staying” at their expense and everyone nearby trying to watch a film?

OP posts:
Kaleidoscopic101 · 01/01/2025 10:27

Thepeopleversuswork · 01/01/2025 10:22

Absolute revelation to me that his parents were the type to ruin 20 minutes of a cinema screening with a wailing kid. I just can’t relate to the rudeness of it when it’s easy enough for one of them to take him out

They didn’t parent brilliantly, no. I would have found it irritating. But you are talking about this as if it were on a par with theft or cheating or something. They were probably stressed and felt guilty and under pressure and didn’t think it through properly.

Have you never made a mistake?

Your reaction is totally disproportionate and if you cut everyone who has a parenting off day out of your life you will have no friends left.

Agree...we make weird irrational decisions when we're stressed. This time of year is hard work for parents. It's perfectly possible that she reflected and thought next time she would take said wailing child out. We are all on a journey.

Curtainqueen · 01/01/2025 10:24

Newstart2024 · 01/01/2025 10:03

It’s not about the 4 year olds behavior is it? It’s about the parents sitting there ruining the film for everyone else in the cinema?
I’m surprised no one said anything as we certainly attracted a lot of stares!

Have to admit there’s nothing more annoying in a cinema than one parent ruining everyone else’s enjoyment by not parenting. It’s so selfish towards everyone else who is having their enjoyment ruined. I’d judge on that alone. She should have just taken the child outside. I’ve actually walked out of cinemas over this before.

Thepeopleversuswork · 01/01/2025 10:22

Absolute revelation to me that his parents were the type to ruin 20 minutes of a cinema screening with a wailing kid. I just can’t relate to the rudeness of it when it’s easy enough for one of them to take him out

They didn’t parent brilliantly, no. I would have found it irritating. But you are talking about this as if it were on a par with theft or cheating or something. They were probably stressed and felt guilty and under pressure and didn’t think it through properly.

Have you never made a mistake?

Your reaction is totally disproportionate and if you cut everyone who has a parenting off day out of your life you will have no friends left.

ErniesGhostlyGoldTops · 01/01/2025 10:19

Frangelicoo · 01/01/2025 10:00

This. Posters on here seem incapable of thinking ‘Well, that was annoying’ and then forgetting about it, or raising it and moving on. It’s ’minor annoyance to cutting them out of your life’.

I agree with this. why be so brittle? The kids are a nightmare but they won't always be kids.

It's possible to modify how you interact with people without going to extremes.

SALaw · 01/01/2025 10:18

How did he get access to your baby in a seated restaurant? I would just sit far away and baby out of reach

sometimesmovingforwards · 01/01/2025 10:18

TheFunHare · 01/01/2025 09:41

Sounds like a standard afternoon out with young kids tired and over stimulated from Xmas. Think you just have to accept that other kids are different and differently parented and enjoy the chaos.

Nope, I wouldn't enjoy that chaos.
Annoying kids are a product of poor parenting, it's as simple as that.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 01/01/2025 10:17

Thepeopleversuswork · 01/01/2025 09:51

”Defriending” is so unnecessarily melodramatic.

Standard day out with little kids: they didn’t handle it brilliantly and I would have grumbled a bit but there’s no need for the overreaction.

People used to be able to cope with day to day annoying things without the need for this performative “defriending”. It’s childish.

Just move on and stop overthinking things.

"Defriending" might be a dramatic choice of word but it's entered our lexicon thanks to social media.

Quietly putting some distance between yourself and the parents of badly behaved children is not a new thing though. Even back in the early 90s we all knew who the naughty children were and why they didn't get invited to things.

What has changed is that society has become far more accepting of bad behaviour and more inclined to put it down to neuro diversity.

BonnyBugbear · 01/01/2025 10:17

CoraTheExplora · 01/01/2025 09:33

Bin them off they sound awful

The original post is extremely outing - she will know who she is if she reads this!

Kaleidoscopic101 · 01/01/2025 10:17

I think you've got to forgive this and avoid a similar meet next time.

Sometimes we can have friends for different reasons and their personalities can be wildly different from eachother. I would reflect what you value in that friendship despite the chaos and the refusal to leave the cinema.

Perhaps they make you laugh or maybe they are just someone you'd rather meet up with 1:1 for a drink...some friends are great for the life and soul of the party but not there for you when you're really in need...and vice/versa...none are necessarily more or less valuable but collectively they make up a 'whole' in a friendship toolbox.

Her behaviour was annoying and stubborn and maybe she revealed a side you don't like but equally people aren't always who they present in the moment but are on a journey. It's possible she reflected and felt next time she would take the child out.

Just quietly file away as something to avoid next time and to consider a different day or or to meet the mums sans kids. This time of year is hard...lots of expectations, weather shite, pent up kids, exhausted parents, patience waining...don't give yourself or them a hard time.

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