To want to take down Christmas decorations on 31stDec

Not solely, but primarily. And overwhelmingly.

The carols, the nativity... people do it for the tradition, because it's nice. The music is good, but it's got nothing to do with jesus for the vast majority.

I'd be interested to hear when you think it became solely a secular festival. I'm 60 and it certainly wasn't a secular festival in my childhood, even though I grew up in an atheist family we knew the meaning of Christmas. My grandchild is at primary school( not a church school) and they have a nativity every year and the school choir sing carols which are all about the birth of Jesus, so still not secular.
Even though I don't believe in god I love the nine lessons and carols and if it fits in with my day I like to go to that on Christmas eve at my local cathedral, it is really a wonderful experience with thousands singing and the organ playing.
Those are just a few examples but they do show that the religious aspect is still extremely important in celebrating Christmas.
It's an interesting debate on both sides so you really don't need to be quite so patronising.

Meanwhile I find myself agreeing with you both @NotThisOldChestnutAgain and @DowntonCrabbie 🤣

Oh bless your little heart. Nope to all of that.

Lots of people in other faiths and cultures celebrate Christmas, because it's now a secular festival. There are many many cultures with a similar myth of a chosen child and a Virgin and all that rot, and early Christians merely bolted on a few of their stories onto very well established mid winter festivals. It's not even the right month for the supposed birth if jesus!

Christianity isn't the origin of the festival, they merely coopted it and now it's been un co-opted.

Of course Christianity is the basis of Christmas, it celebrates the birth of Jesus. Yes, there was some kind of pagan festival around the winter solstice but for the past 2000 years Christmas has been about the birth of Jesus above all else.
That's why plenty people in other parts of the world and in the UK who have different faiths don't celebrate Christmas because it is associated with Christianity.
If it was just about Santa then the religious aspect wouldn't matter to them.
You may think the monarch is irrelevant but we still live in a monarchy in the UK where the monarch is head of the church of England, the primary religion of this country.
People can of course do what they like with their decorations, but it's quite silly to deny there's a religious origin to it.

I took mine down last night - 2nd Jan. Mainly because the cleaner came today and I wanted her to be able to clean! Lucky me, i know.

That said, I do think it’s part of the reason not to put them up so early, if we’re sick of the sight of them by New Year’s Day

I'm fine with my opinion being irrelevant to anyone else. It doesn't change it!

It's not the basis of Christmas though. And the monarch is as irrelevant as the archbish.
We know why there are religious aspects to the coronation, it's all tradition and pomp. But it doesn't mean anything.

And absolutely none of it is relevant to an "official end to Christmas"

Exactly this.
Whether people choose to follow Christianity or not, it's the basis of Christmas and Christianity is the official religion of the UK. Why do you think the Archbishop of Canterbury crowns the monarch and the coronation takes place in a cathedral and the monarch is announced with holy oil? If you watched Charles' coronation you would have seen all the religious aspects of the coronation, did it not occur to you why that was?
Maybe some people need to study a bit of UK history?

Your opinion is irrelevant to anyone else, and there's still no official end to Christmas.
What the CofE thinks is the official end of Christmas has no bearing in anything, even if they have a legal role in England. Their opinions do not affect anyone else or matter at all.

Everything has been taken down today. Finally the place looks lovely and tidy!

Fair enough. Happy for it to remain irrelevant to you. Doesn't stop me being confident in my opinion that decorations should stay up until 12th night. Because that's the official end of Christmas.

The Cof E has what to do with Scotland, Wales or NI?
And who cares anyway? It's an irrelevance

No. I'm saying legally the CofE remains the established denomination

I’m in Scotland. CofE utterly irrelevant. And even in England they are a minority body which has no influence over when people remove their festive ornaments.

No. I'm saying legally the CofE remains the established denomination. Hence the requirement for daily acts of worship in schools, the head of state also being the head of the church etc. And that makes the country officially Christian. Regardless of daily practice.

That is what makes it appropriate for council provided Christmas decorations to remain in place for the duration of the festival. It isn't a legal requirement (although it will be when I'm a petty unelected dictator, even more so because it seems to annoy people so much).

Are you seriously suggesting that it's the law that the Xmas decorations need to stay up.until epiphany?

Ours go up the first weekend in December and down the first weekend in January after New Year.

Personally those that I know who take them down before New Year are miserable characters generally, including one family member who has them down by lunchtime on Boxing Day. It is still the festive season until after New Year

Daily practice and legality are not the same thing.

Oh sweetie, noone needs to campaign for that, it's disappearing all by itself. It's entirely irrelevant.

Christmas is about Santa, not jesus, and hardly anyone gives two shits about your religious notions. Btw, yeh actual origins of Xmas, not to mention most of the traditions and rituals have nothing at all to do.with the church of England. Or any church.

That's funny. You want to campaign for the disestablishment of the CofE ny all means go ahead. Until that happens we remain a country that has the head of the church as the head of state and a national religion with daily acts of worship compulsory in schools.

It might not be a religious festival as celebrated by most of the population but it remains officially so and in origin.

I don't understand why that annoys people so much.

It literally is not primarily a religious festival. Only a very small percentage go to church or do anything at all that makes it religious.
It's overwhelmingly a non religious festival, and it's not at all appropriate for public bodies to follow one specific religion that has no relevance to the vast majority of the country.

Because it is primarily a religious festival. Whether you choose to observe that or not is entirely up to you. But as we don't live in an officially secular country then it is appropriate that the full length of the religious festival is observed by public bodies.

I don't know why people tie themselves in knots to deny that. It is funny.

There is no official end to Christmas. Why do you think there is?

And round we go in circles… it’s only the “officiall” end to the festive season if you buy into the religious aspect, which most people don’t,

But it is the official end of Christmas. So anything official, e.g. council run public decorations should stick to that.