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I can't ever seem to be able to please my mum

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HiPokerFace · 30/12/2024 18:26

This thread concerns my relationship with my mum, which has always been incredibly important to me but has always found ways to make me feel overwhelmed and very sad.

Every Christmas, I try to recreate the traditions from my childhood in Eastern Europe, as they bring me a sense of nostalgia and connection to my roots. On Christmas Eve, my family gathers for a traditional meal: cabbage and rice dolmas, red peppers stuffed with butter beans, and soda bread containing a coin and wishes. While my children (aged 12 and 16) are picky eaters and don’t particularly enjoy the main dishes, they love the ritual of digging through their chunks of bread to find their wishes. It’s a cherished tradition for me, even if it doesn’t resonate in the same way with everyone else.

My mum is very particular about how the food tastes, so she insists on making the cabbage dolmas and red peppers herself ( apparently mine doesn't taste good) while I handle the bread. However, she always finds fault with the bread I make—it’s never quite right - too big, too small, too dark, not baked enough, too salty, not tasty enough etc. On Christmas Eve, my kids managed to sit at the table for about an hour to an hour and a half before they were ready to move on, as kids often are. My mum, on the other hand, enjoys lingering at the table with her meal and a drink, and I happily keep her company.

On Christmas Day, I invited her to arrive between 1:00 and 1:15 PM so we could open presents before sitting down to eat around 2:00 or 2:30 PM. She arrived at 12:55 PM while I was just finishing up a hectic morning of cooking and had just gotten out of the shower. Although it was only five minutes early, she expressed frustration that I wasn’t ready to greet her and complained that "everything" was cold - which it wasn't, but she always generalises. She also brought a noticeably uneven number of gifts for my children, with significantly more for my daughter than for my son. This is unusual, as she typically ensures they receive equal amounts and extra gifts are usually saved for my daughter’s birthday at the end of January.

I thought Christmas Day went relatively well, but shortly after she left, I received a long text message from her. In it, she said, “From next year, I believe you should have Christmas without me,” and explained that this would be the last time she joined us for Christmas Eve or Christmas Day lunch. She expressed that the traditions felt “stupid” since my children don’t eat the traditional Eastern European food she prepares and suggested it was time for me to create new traditions.

This text broke my heart. I can’t imagine Christmas without everyone around the table with the foods and traditions that are so meaningful to me. My children understand the importance of these customs, even if they don’t eat everything or linger at the table as long as we might wish. Her criticism of my traditions (also the traditions of her childhood) feels deeply hurtful, and her timing—sending this message on Christmas Day—felt particularly harsh. I can’t help but feel that her negative comments stem from unresolved childhood trauma and that hurting me through criticism is one of the ways she seeks temporary relief.

My mum is one of the three most important people in my life, but I feel emotionally drained. She has no close friends and often says she “hates people,” which leaves me as her primary (and sometimes sole) social connection. This dynamic places immense pressure on me to be a “good daughter,” yet it feels like I can never meet her expectations. If this was a friendship, I would have ended it long ago, but she’s my mum, and I don’t know how to navigate this situation anymore.

Yesterday we went out for a pre-New Year’s lunch, where we ended up discussing the above issues. Unfortunately, it turned into a disagreement, and we left without speaking to each other or saying goodbye. I’m heartbroken and don’t know how to move forward.

If anyone has experienced similar challenges or has advice on how to manage such a complex and painful relationship, I would deeply appreciate your thoughts. How do I maintain my own sense of well-being while staying connected to someone so integral to my life but so difficult to please?
Thank you for taking the time to read this. Your perspective would mean the world to me.

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DreamingBlueSkies · 05/01/2025 21:41

HiPokerFace · 30/12/2024 18:26

This thread concerns my relationship with my mum, which has always been incredibly important to me but has always found ways to make me feel overwhelmed and very sad.

Every Christmas, I try to recreate the traditions from my childhood in Eastern Europe, as they bring me a sense of nostalgia and connection to my roots. On Christmas Eve, my family gathers for a traditional meal: cabbage and rice dolmas, red peppers stuffed with butter beans, and soda bread containing a coin and wishes. While my children (aged 12 and 16) are picky eaters and don’t particularly enjoy the main dishes, they love the ritual of digging through their chunks of bread to find their wishes. It’s a cherished tradition for me, even if it doesn’t resonate in the same way with everyone else.

My mum is very particular about how the food tastes, so she insists on making the cabbage dolmas and red peppers herself ( apparently mine doesn't taste good) while I handle the bread. However, she always finds fault with the bread I make—it’s never quite right - too big, too small, too dark, not baked enough, too salty, not tasty enough etc. On Christmas Eve, my kids managed to sit at the table for about an hour to an hour and a half before they were ready to move on, as kids often are. My mum, on the other hand, enjoys lingering at the table with her meal and a drink, and I happily keep her company.

On Christmas Day, I invited her to arrive between 1:00 and 1:15 PM so we could open presents before sitting down to eat around 2:00 or 2:30 PM. She arrived at 12:55 PM while I was just finishing up a hectic morning of cooking and had just gotten out of the shower. Although it was only five minutes early, she expressed frustration that I wasn’t ready to greet her and complained that "everything" was cold - which it wasn't, but she always generalises. She also brought a noticeably uneven number of gifts for my children, with significantly more for my daughter than for my son. This is unusual, as she typically ensures they receive equal amounts and extra gifts are usually saved for my daughter’s birthday at the end of January.

I thought Christmas Day went relatively well, but shortly after she left, I received a long text message from her. In it, she said, “From next year, I believe you should have Christmas without me,” and explained that this would be the last time she joined us for Christmas Eve or Christmas Day lunch. She expressed that the traditions felt “stupid” since my children don’t eat the traditional Eastern European food she prepares and suggested it was time for me to create new traditions.

This text broke my heart. I can’t imagine Christmas without everyone around the table with the foods and traditions that are so meaningful to me. My children understand the importance of these customs, even if they don’t eat everything or linger at the table as long as we might wish. Her criticism of my traditions (also the traditions of her childhood) feels deeply hurtful, and her timing—sending this message on Christmas Day—felt particularly harsh. I can’t help but feel that her negative comments stem from unresolved childhood trauma and that hurting me through criticism is one of the ways she seeks temporary relief.

My mum is one of the three most important people in my life, but I feel emotionally drained. She has no close friends and often says she “hates people,” which leaves me as her primary (and sometimes sole) social connection. This dynamic places immense pressure on me to be a “good daughter,” yet it feels like I can never meet her expectations. If this was a friendship, I would have ended it long ago, but she’s my mum, and I don’t know how to navigate this situation anymore.

Yesterday we went out for a pre-New Year’s lunch, where we ended up discussing the above issues. Unfortunately, it turned into a disagreement, and we left without speaking to each other or saying goodbye. I’m heartbroken and don’t know how to move forward.

If anyone has experienced similar challenges or has advice on how to manage such a complex and painful relationship, I would deeply appreciate your thoughts. How do I maintain my own sense of well-being while staying connected to someone so integral to my life but so difficult to please?
Thank you for taking the time to read this. Your perspective would mean the world to me.

I think I understand you, as we are in a very similar situation. In addition to that, also share Eastern European heritage.

My mum lives in a different country to me (I am in the UK). She is widowed now, and in her 80s.
She's always been a tricky customer, but oh my , as she gets older it is becoming hardly bearable to even talk to her.
She is so critical of everything I do . There are always some unsavoury comments about the way I look, the way my life has turned , my life choices etc.
on the other hand , similar to you, I have so much love in my heart for her - she was a wonderful loving mum when we were young (not perfect, but who is) has given absolutely everything she's had - and more - to her children (includes me) , she has shown me how to love.
Luckily I am not the only child, so can share the pain and frustration of the current situation with my siblings.
Mum is the same with them too - negative, critical, non-apologetic, always moans about something , nothing we do is good enough. Also hates people, can't be bothered with neighbours and extended family . She talks ad nauseam about someone who slighted her 50 years ago..
This is heart breaking. And I agree, I'm sure all this negativity is her way of dealing with an unresolved childhood trauma - she is a child of WW2.

What I have learnt is:

  1. She is not going to change. Explaining and reasoning with her doesn't work - it just leads to conflict for which there's no resolution.
  2. I definitely don't want to cut her out of my life , but can minimise the impact of too much negativity by calling perhaps twice a month, and visiting for short breaks several times a year .
  3. It helps enormously to share the thoughts, the feelings and the care for my mum with siblings .
  4. We respect and love her, but ultimately do what we feel is right.

I am not sure that this is very helpful - hope so.
Look after yourself. Good luck.

DrinkFeckArseBrick · 05/01/2025 21:06

My advice would be

Get counselling
Reatrict contact with your mother. Take her at her word and try not to react. People like this expect the 'oh no I'm so sorry I'll do everything I can to change my life to try and win your approval' so they can shit on you all over again and tell you that you're not good enough
Try and accept that not everyone is a good parent
Try and build other meaningful relationships and traditions
Be happy that your kids aren't so worried about gaining your mothera approval that they'll sit at a table for hours and hours to make her happy

Onekidnoclue · 05/01/2025 20:59

talktalk66 · 04/01/2025 10:19

My mother would have been there earlier to help me with the preparations, and tell me to go and have a shower whilst she looked after things in the kitchen, and that's what I would I would do for my children. Tell your mother that when she keeps putting you down and complaining, it hurts you very much and that you want a good relationship with her, where she supports you, not hurts you. Ask her why she wants to hurt her own daughter, what does she get from it. I would put all these things to her and ask her to answer these questions. As you say, you wouldn't be accepting this abusive behaviour from anyone else. If she has issues, then you can help her deal with those, but tell her that perhaps it would be a good idea if she didn't want to come next Christmas because it would save you getting negative comments and being upset by her putting you down.

I’m sure you mean this kindly and appreciate you sharing your experience but please bear in mind that explaining how your mother always treats you with kindness on a thread about a difficult mother could be read as gloating.

as someone whose mother would behave like this I cannot begin to imagine asking her why she’d want to hurt her daughter or what she gets out of causing her children pain. I’d be pretty shocked if anyone would openly admit to enjoy causing a child pain even if like my mother they did!

RainbowSlimeLab · 04/01/2025 19:38

I live 600 miles from my mother. I used to go down every other Christmas. One year I flew down with homemade mince pies and a Christmas cake. On seeing the pies she pulled a face and asked if I “Really liked them like that?” (In filo pastry). Then she told me the cake had needed more time in the oven, and when I pointed out it had 300 mls of whisky in it and that was the reason it wasn’t bone dry she remarked that I needed to learn to take criticism.

I never took her any home baking again Anns she wondered why!

Pherian · 04/01/2025 16:22

I think your mother - even though she picked a horrible point to send it, is entitled to her feelings.

It may feel offensive to get to go through all of the effort of cooking that food and it not be appreciated by your family.

She might be right that it’s time for you make new traditions that your family want to observe.

We changed things up this year as the kids are now teenagers who do not want to sit and play with toys and nor do they want to engage in adult conversation. We didn’t do traditional Christmas meal.

We did party foods, cheese, crackers, desserts and played games - this kept the kids engaged in the evening and they spent longer around their grandparents.

Whats more important - hanging on to traditions no one but you want to observe or finding new ones that’s still bring your family together.

As for her putting you down - that can’t really be resolved unless you address it directly. Tell her to stop doing that. Definitely stop trying to please her. If she doesn’t want to be around you and your family at Christmas, don’t force it.

GreatGardenstuff · 04/01/2025 10:44

Your mum seems like a very unhappy woman, but that’s not your responsibility. It may be that the traditions of the past hold very mixed feelings for her, potentially even some trauma.

Her text was definitely sent to hurt you and I’d let her know it made you sad, but you respect her choice. I’d stay low contact for the rest of January to give you both space for reflection.

Could you get some talking therapy to work through your childhood and relationship with your DM, and learn some strategies to have a healthier relationship in future.

ChiliFiend · 04/01/2025 10:40

I felt so sad for you reading your post - you're trying hard and she just puts you down. It's horrible, and it must be so confusing when this is coming from your own mother. This is not what a loving mother looks like, and as others have said, from the outside it's obvious that text was designed to hurt your feelings. I hope you are able to come to terms with it and stand up for yourself - maybe therapy would help you make sense of things.

Nothatgingerpirate · 04/01/2025 10:31

I suggest you stop trying and start pleasing yourself and your life.

talktalk66 · 04/01/2025 10:19

My mother would have been there earlier to help me with the preparations, and tell me to go and have a shower whilst she looked after things in the kitchen, and that's what I would I would do for my children. Tell your mother that when she keeps putting you down and complaining, it hurts you very much and that you want a good relationship with her, where she supports you, not hurts you. Ask her why she wants to hurt her own daughter, what does she get from it. I would put all these things to her and ask her to answer these questions. As you say, you wouldn't be accepting this abusive behaviour from anyone else. If she has issues, then you can help her deal with those, but tell her that perhaps it would be a good idea if she didn't want to come next Christmas because it would save you getting negative comments and being upset by her putting you down.

Eze · 04/01/2025 10:12

Looking at the Christmas Eve tradition only, while you find it meaningful, your children only like the bread, your mum cooks the main that the kids don’t eat and wants to linger longer round that table. So mum isn’t getting what you are out of this tradition, she wants people to enjoy her food and have good conversation for longer. Your kids don’t get what you do either as they don’t like the main course.

So it’s not surprising that your mum doesn't want to do it anymore and is suggesting you make a different tradition. She’s saying make one that your kids really enjoy. Keep the bread tradition as they really like that but maybe adapt the food.

GinLover198 · 04/01/2025 08:35

This sounds particularly challenging. I get on well with my parents - more so than a few years ago. I’ve always found Christmas exasperates things. From experience, I’ve found taking a step back from it all helps. I tried to address issue with my parents years ago, didn’t go well. So I’ve learned that keeping an arms length distance from things, such as being cordial to texts etc not ignoring them. Not rising to any baiting in a text or or phone call helps. Don’t get me wrong, there was plenty I could say but didn’t! My other half says I’m much more patient than they’d have been!

Nearer the time next Christmas, I would remind her of his wishes following this one. Keep the message to show her if needs be.

Gardenbird123 · 04/01/2025 08:29

Do the traditions that make you and your children happy. If she chooses not to come, that's her loss. Make it lovely for your children x

Totaleclipseofthemind · 04/01/2025 08:00

The only Christmas traditions I want my kids to follow is to do what they want! I have zero expectations of Christmas future.

hattie43 · 04/01/2025 07:57

It is very hurtful OP. I would focus on your own family from now on . The invitation is there for your mother and it's up to her to attend or not . My feeling is she will despite her bluster now . It's not easy not having your family at Christmas and I think she may regret being so hasty . Personally I wouldn't be chasing her or contacting her as she is upsetting everyone and it's not nice for your children having a moany person at Xmas . If she does come I'd set boundaries, equal gifts for the children as part of that .

Goldbar · 04/01/2025 07:55

She's emotionally manipulative and intends deliberately to hurt you.

She's also given you an out. Grab it. "I'm sorry you feel like that, Mum, but perhaps it's for the best if you don't like how we do Christmas."

And then if she starts angling for an invite, "Really sorry, Mum, but we've made plans since you said you wouldn't be joining us".

Why not start a tradition of pleasing yourself rather than others next year?

Ger1atricMillennial · 04/01/2025 07:54

Christmas time makes everyone feel incredibly homesick.

I live in NZ and I had a breakdown this year about the christmas cake here (almost certainly offended a lot of people). Luckily my friend sent me one from M&S and I ate it while watching the Gavin and Stacey Xmas special which made me feel better.

I thought I was being a twat, but I am friends with someone who British has lived in NZ for 30 years and she said it never gets better.

I ignore christmas now, its in the middle of the summer and I have been to other peoples houses as a "christmas orphan" and it just feels like shit.

Let her have christmas on her own and meet up with her on Boxing Day.

arcticpandas · 04/01/2025 07:16

I think you need to come to terms with the fact that you will never be able to please your mum no matter what you do because SHE has decided so. Look at it as a her problem. How sad to have this critical outlook on your own daughter. Step back and focus on your kids and be wary that she doesn't start criticising them when she realises she can't get to you anymore...

Firenzeflower · 04/01/2025 07:16

I’m so sorry your mum is like this. Call her bluff and just keep it to your kids and family. You’ll feel relieved and I can guarantee that your kids will insist on these traditions. Mine are all grown now and we have to stick to the traditions.

Summerlovin24 · 04/01/2025 07:12

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 30/12/2024 20:28

Sorry but your mum sounds so very difficult. Uber critical. Nothing you do will ever please her.

So don't try anymore. Please yourself. Not her. Please your dcs. Not her.

Next Christmas, simply don't invite her and remind her of the text she sent you this year. Bloody awful and cruel. A singularly ungracious entitled woman.

This.
Don't mention xmas again not even next December. She has made her bed
My mum.is very difficult. What I do will never be enough. If things don't go her way she has a go. This xmas she left me to make plans with old family friends saying she would fit in then moaned about where we were going, what time and where we sat in the pub. I stayed later in pub with grown up daughter then she moaned we hadn't gone home with her. She always expects everyone to fit in with her and ehat she wants. Well at xmas we all have to compromise. I have learnt now to do what I want to do because I get moaned at either way

DramaQueen1970 · 04/01/2025 07:02

You don't mention whether you have siblings or not ? It doesn't sound like it ut if you do, how is she with you ? How is she with your DH ??

Fluffygoon · 30/12/2024 23:40

My MIL can be very manipulative and make people feel ‘lesser than’ with comments and actions-Xmas would always be particularly stressful as there’s heightened emotions and a lot of prep.

One year I gave birth on Boxing Day so we had to break with the tradition of traipsing round every day over Christmas to be welcomed by her bitching and making digs. Honestly, it was liberating not being dictated to by her and coming away feeling hurt and upset.

I’d be inclined to deliberately take her text about next year at face value, view it as her gift to you, plan your Christmas without her. Have whatever food you want and enjoy it without her sniping. Focus totally on your family unit. She’ll only change her behaviour if she wants to and all the time you’re playing your role of good daughter there’s no incentive for her to behave.

Strawberrypupcake · 30/12/2024 20:51

I've a very difficult relationship with my mother and I now do greenock with her. 'Oh really? Ohats nice. That's interesting.'

Once I realised that she has a lot of 'her'problems and that it's never connected to me, I held onto that. When she makes comments that hurt me I'm just breezy and move on, pretending I didn't hear it or that it wasn't very important. I'm also low contact.

Your mum told you to go ahead without her because she wanted to hurt you. I would have replied with something totally unbuttered such as 'aw that's a shame but no worries, you can come over afterwards or whatever you prefer x'

She is actually pulling out the stops to manipulate you because she knows she only has you. Let her think that her attempts to control you aren't working because actually, you are the one who has the power here and she knows it (but doesn't want you to).

Ladybyrd · 30/12/2024 20:40

Onekidnoclue · 30/12/2024 20:37

I love my mother but I don’t like her.
my mother is a very unpleasant woman who is deeply unhappy and strives to make everyone around her as miserable as she is.
it’s taken me many years to come to terms with the fact that I’ll never have a loving mother who wants the best for me and will act in my best interest. It’s sad but it’s brought me some peace.
I hope that you can come to terms with your mother’s behaviour in a way that brings you peace too. X

That first line. My god, if I had a penny for how many times my mother said that to me as a child.

Onekidnoclue · 30/12/2024 20:37

I love my mother but I don’t like her.
my mother is a very unpleasant woman who is deeply unhappy and strives to make everyone around her as miserable as she is.
it’s taken me many years to come to terms with the fact that I’ll never have a loving mother who wants the best for me and will act in my best interest. It’s sad but it’s brought me some peace.
I hope that you can come to terms with your mother’s behaviour in a way that brings you peace too. X

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 30/12/2024 20:30

Also you're allowed to develop your own traditions exactly as you please.

It's not your job to recreate Christmas according to her wishes.

Don't be heartbroken. She sounds like a bully. And bullies, when you stand up to them, often dissolve.

Stand your ground.

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