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to think DS's girlfriend is taking the piss and he needs legal advice

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redwingparty · 30/12/2024 10:54

Keeping this short as I don't want DS to be outed, though I could write a very long post about this woman, but the main thing is:

DS2 has just bought a flat, his girlfriend has moved in and she is not paying him rent. She is lazy by nature (stayed with us at Christmas but refused to help prep food, lay the table or clear up afterwards because she 'didn't want to'; she spent most of her time in bed) She has just started a MW job and I overheard her say to DS that since he was not charging her anything to live with him, she will only do three days a week.

DS has a long commute, long hours and two second casual jobs at weekends.

I am worried that he will get fed up of her sponging off him but be unable to get her to leave the flat legally if it is her main home. What rights does she have?

Also she mentioned setting up a sideline business of her own from the spare bedroom of the flat which would involve strangers coming into the house. DS1 told me this is probably illegal and against the lease, and could invalidate the contents insurance. But I think DS would find it hard to say no to her (which in itself is a bit of a problem - he idolises her and she puts him down very subtly but frequently).

AIBU to think we should get some legal advice about her housing rights and rights to operate a small business (similar to hairdressing) from the flat?

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Critsey · 30/12/2024 17:16

I have a son that age.
Absolutely no way I wouldn't be spelling it out to him that this situation is not good and could bring drama to his door.

OP can't tell him what to do but she 100% as a loving parent tell him her concerns and say I respect that you will make you own choices but I would be remiss if I didn't piint out the following.

If things so tits up in this situation, you cannot pretend you were not clearly warned beforehand.

I have done this a few times and said , completely up to you, but you need to ve aware of x,y, and z.

Thats what a good parent does.
It may take a while for it to sink in but likely it will percolate and land.

Normal parents only ever want the best for their children and prevent unnecessary drama in their lives.

Conversely some kids need to learn the hard way a few times.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 30/12/2024 16:33

SpringIscomingalso · 30/12/2024 14:55

MW job - insulting term to show that someone is not capable of earning more than 11.44 per hour

But yet doing jobs which are often essential and which most of us make use of.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 30/12/2024 16:24

LizzieSiddal · 30/12/2024 14:39

Ok but I think you’re unusual. If staying for several days as a guest it’s extremely rude to not offer help around meal times.

They might offer. But I wouldn't accept or expect them to work.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 30/12/2024 16:22

housethatbuiltme · 30/12/2024 15:52

Most flats are leasehold, you buy use of part of the building for a set time (say 100 years) but the building itself belongs to the over all owner who is renting the land/building for that term.

Most flats in England.

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 30/12/2024 16:20

Well, I'm not a trad wife.

Neither am I. My husband co- hosts with me. I don't expect guests to work.

housethatbuiltme · 30/12/2024 16:04

redwingparty · 30/12/2024 14:09

In general, I agree with you. But not when it comes to manipulative or coercive behaviour. Then I think we have a duty to intervene with loved ones of any age, before they are in too deep. It's cold blooded to stand by and watch anyone sink too deep into a really unhealthy relationship. Why would anyone do that? There's a difference between interfering and showing concern. That's the balance I want to find.

No its interfering.

The truth is you do not know anything... you are not part of the relationship, you don't know their pillow talk and in many cases people make the mistake of seeing a parent or friend as a safe space to 'vent' too when frustrated but that does NOT mean its black and white 'truth' and they want you to hate the person they love and get involved.

You are suppose to listen patiently and stay out of it unless SPECIFICALLY asked. That doesn't mean talked to it means asked. Example: 'mum I want to leave can I come stay with you until I find a place?' is an ask where you jump in and help.

Where as 'Mary is so lazy she didn't do the dishes AGAIN and never puts the milk away and theres a pile of clothes on the chair in the bedroom. This weekend she spent all Friday night at Sandra drinking Prosecco while I was working overtime, you know Sandra the insufferable gossip who drags Mary into drama' is not an 'ask' its a VENT.

If you act on it when you where not asked too with only one side of the story that they that is in reality just their mild irritants you will quickly find yourself pushed out and no longer you DS 'safe space'.

MsCactus · 30/12/2024 15:56

redwingparty · 30/12/2024 14:57

Well, I'm not a trad wife. If I have guests for Christmas, all of them adults, and I have already cleaned the house and made up extra beds and baked and made puddings and bought all the food and wrapped loads of extra presents, then I expect those able-bodied adults to offer to lay the table or clear the table or unload the dishwasher or scrub a pan for the week they are staying with me. I'm not an unpaid servant to a bunch of twenty-something adults.

I have to be honest that in my home guests never do chores or "help" it's rude for the hosts to ask them to do so.

Husband, adult children etc I think absolutely yes you can ask - but his gf is a guest in your house. She shouldn't have to do chores imo

housethatbuiltme · 30/12/2024 15:52

TwinklySquid · 30/12/2024 13:11

If your son owns the house, why are you mentioning anything about leases?

Most flats are leasehold, you buy use of part of the building for a set time (say 100 years) but the building itself belongs to the over all owner who is renting the land/building for that term.

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Yes. She presumably doesn't have a copy of the lease, so nobody will be able to help her.

I used to run a business from my now husbands flat; it was not a breach of his lease. It would have been if I'd had large machinery outside or run a brothel, but they were the only things not allowed under our lease.

Purplecatshopaholic · 30/12/2024 15:26

BellissimoGecko · 30/12/2024 13:56

Sure, he's an adult, but can't you understand why the OP is concerned??

Aren't you concerned when someone you love makes a crazy decision that you think might hurt them?

A bit concerned maybe, but I take the view he’s a grown-ass man who hopefully has a handle on the situation, and the balls to sort it if he needs to! Clearly the op doesn’t like the gf, (and I understand why, as I have already said she’s a freeloader), but the son may have a different perspective..

Gothamcity · 30/12/2024 15:26

If he idolise her and is happy with how things are, there's really nothing you can do about it. As a parent, I'd probably try and have a not so subtle conversation with him around contraception, and the implications of inadvertently tying yourself to someone legally before you are ready for that sort of commitment, especially someone who doesn't see the importance of playing fair financially. Stress the importance of this, as if that were to happen, that's it, he will be legally bound to support her and a child for the next 18 years, and there will be nothing he can do about it. I wouldn't like my child to be in this situation, and being taking advantage of one bit, so I can see why you're not happy, but equally it's tricky as not much you can do without potentially putting a strain on your relationship with your son and pushing him away. Just make him know that your door is always open, and you're happy to give advice, be an ear to listen, if he needs that. Unwarranted advice is not going to go down well, so needs to be on his terms.

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She said the girl stayed with her for a week and did nothing to help when asked and gave her son subtle put downs.
That's not jumping to conclusions, that's making a judgement based on behaviour you've witnessed.

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redwingparty · 30/12/2024 15:18

SpringIscomingalso · 30/12/2024 15:14

He has a backbone and a life going on for him. His mother is jealous and a horrible future MIL

LOL. Projecting your own situation?

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Your comments are getting quite odd. I'm keeping back info because I don't want to out him or hand stories to the press on a plate. If I explained everything it might be clearer but too personal. So I am keeping it vague. But I have mentioned his age.

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He has a backbone and a life going on for him. His mother is jealous and a horrible future MIL

Feduptryingusernames · 30/12/2024 15:14

She's a lazy sponger for sure. Where did she live previously? Most standard/newerLeases contain a clause prohibiting running a business from the premises so he needs to check his.

redwingparty · 30/12/2024 15:13

PiggyPigalle · 30/12/2024 15:07

Everyone in that situation should have it signed in a solicitor's office that the other will never have a claim to the property. That doesn't stop her paying money over for utilities and food.
Don't pay jointly for sofas, beds, washers etc., one or the other pay wholly, saves arguments when separating.

As for her work, if it's something where clients can be poached from her 3 day a week job, she could soon find herself without it. Hasn't taken her long if so, seeing as she has just started. That's before getting council permission and H&S regs. Creating lease and mortgage problems and complaints from the neighbours.
I'd like to know what MW stands for as well. Hope it's not midwifery.

MW is minimum wage.

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SpringIscomingalso · 30/12/2024 15:12

Learnt - marrying a man in debt, spending her husband life insurance on safaris and new house, etc

redwingparty · 30/12/2024 15:11

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Yep. Why does that seem unusual to you? We don't live in the same town. DS works long hours. We haven't seen much of him in the last 18 months, let alone his girlfriend. Met her once or twice briefly when visiting DS before they moved in together. She stayed the night once. Then she was with us for a week at Christmas which was when I realised she was not that nice - lazy, selfish, puts him down in subtle ways and clearly sponging off him.

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smooththecat · 30/12/2024 13:40

This is very one-sided. It’s often a very shit situation if the man buys a property without the woman if it’s meant to be a proper relationship. It basically invalidates the relationship, having kids etc. investment in future, any of the things she might want. Been there. I’d advise her to get out for her own sake.

It is absolutely fine believe me. My husband bought a flat when we were still bf/gf stage. I signed something to a solicitor. His mother made a dig about the financial set up. He told her to shut up. We married in a couple of months ( this is why he bought the flat) and I got pregnant. We have been together 12 years now and I leant all my MIL dirty financial secrets....she has now only reasons to blush. She lost contact with the GC also due to her being horrible to me for no reason

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