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To think DP is being used by so called "friend"

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Queenjuliana · 30/12/2024 10:00

Apologies for the long post, it takes a bit of explaining....DP has a friend who lives in Germany with his partner. DP and friend have known each other since childhood, went to school together etc. They are only in contact via social media, mainly to talk about football and reminisce about the old days. From what I can gather, the friend leads an "alternative" lifestyle. They don't have proper jobs, they smoke dope, and are self described "anarchists" ( whatever that is!) The friend's wife has recently been diagnosed with breast cancer. The friend has asked my partner to set up a Go Fund me page to raise money for her. The target is £9000. Apparently he does not want to do this himself because the money cannot be traceable to him. After lots of questioning to a very defensive DP, this is what I've managed to surmise..She is getting free health care treatment in Germany for her cancer. But due to the cancer she cannot work (cleaning job I believe) So they want the funds for living expenses. Germany of course have a sickness benefit which can be claimed but I'm assuming they haven't paid anything into the scheme as they are not eligible. So why am I resentful of this kind act my DP is doing? This friend has history of coming to DP when he needs money. DP is a soft touch, very kindhearted and an easy target. He talked him into "investing" £500 in the past to some hare brained music company he was supposedly setting up. Obviously the money was never seen again. Also, why can't the friend support his own wife? I personally can't see why he expects other people to donate to their living expenses because he hasn't bothered to get a decent job, and because they haven't paid into the health insurance scheme over there. The collection is going well and they have got to £7000. On top of this, because the money has to be untraceable, the friend has to have it in cash so DP has agreed to fly to Germany with it!! I know it's not my business but it all sounds so dodgy and underhand. I have every sympathy for her cancer diagnosis but she is getting well cared for and her prognosis is good as caught early. I'm pretty sure the friend would not be doing the same for DP if the roles were reversed. AIBU to think DP is being taken for a mug and this whole thing sounds like a scam?

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Treesandsheepeverywhere · 03/01/2025 18:27

OP, any photo of someone in hospital can be used to say they have cancer when they don't.
You see celebs on a hospital bed after fainting and getting a B12 drip.
To the untrained eye, it can look like something serious when it's not.

Does the wife know her pic is being used this way?

It all screams money laundering or at best, benefit fraud.

Your partner could say when he went to withdraw the money, they've asked for proof of what it's for. ID's, national insurance number equivalent, doc letter etc.
If the friend refuses and maintains it can't be traceable, then your DH can let it sit in his account/send it back to Go fund me.

Could be ego at play as backtracking will be admitting he's been foolish.

Happens to the best of them but best quit before he has a criminal record or worse.

Lilactimes · 03/01/2025 16:28

Queenjuliana · 03/01/2025 00:36

Exactly. I've looked at the fundraiser. I recognise and personally know some of the people from my DPs larger friendship group. So the donors are genuinely people who know her and the description on the page says who and why the fundraiser is for. Up to that point it all seems OK. It just gets weird when they start talking about only being able to receive the money in cash so it's not traceable. THATS the bit I struggle with most

I totally agree - it’s how you get the money to him that is the part that could get you into problems unless you bank transfer it. As your DP will look like recipient.

Ubugly · 03/01/2025 15:59

So if said woman is randomly investigated or someone grasses her up for having 10k raised in a go fund me page as they’ve seen it all over social media etc, where is she going to say the cash went?

it seems she’s not an anon recipient so why be non traceable?

Whoarethoseguys · 03/01/2025 15:19

Queenjuliana · 01/01/2025 01:53

Had it out again today, he started getting very defensive and annoyed, says he is going to do it whether I like it or not. He wants to help out a friend going through a hard time. He's not doing anything illegal and he doesn't even care if they are committing benefit fraud. If I'd carried on trying to make him see it from my point of view we would have had a big fall out..

If they are commiting benefit fraud and he is helping them he is doing something illegal. He sounds very naive.

Whoarethoseguys · 03/01/2025 15:14

It sounds like a scam to me. I can't think of a valid reason why it should be untraceable or why he needs to physically take it in cash

OrchardBlack · 03/01/2025 13:49

Also it does make me laugh when these so called 'anarchists' who don't believe in the 'system' often have to eat humble pie when they need it most. All the doctors, nurses, scientists treating his wife are also part of this vague 'system' they're so against.

Doubt they'll see it that way though.

OrchardBlack · 03/01/2025 13:47

I think your DH sounds lovely, if a little naive of course. The untraceable thing is so weird.

BobbyBiscuits · 03/01/2025 13:13

@MyLimeGuide I'd say that's a bit of sweeping generalisation. But this particular situation definitely screams dodgy!

Btrsun10 · 03/01/2025 13:13

I'm not commenting on the legalities around the GFM. I've no idea how that works.
However, on carrying the money in or out of Germany, I have a family member who lives there and wanted to gift my siblings and I an amount. It was €10k and I carried it in 1 and 200 € notes in my purse. I also had a few 100 of my own money in my purse so in all it was over the allowable amount.
No one batted an eyelid.
My bag was searched due to having a mascara in there that had accidently not been put into the plastic bag. They did not look in my purse and no questions were asked about the money.

YourGladSquid · 03/01/2025 12:55

Queenjuliana · 03/01/2025 11:20

@YesThatsATurdOnTheRug Wasn't meaning to be sarcastic. It just that I know why he's doing it. He's soft hearted and loyal to his friend and genuinely wants to help. Yes he's being ridiculously naive too. Feelings of inadequacy? Possibly but he's not alone in that, far from it. I do appreciate your opinion though.

I can see your husband’s POV, just because they are in a country with welfare doesn’t mean the welfare is enough - they might genuinely need the money.

The issue is the untraceable bit. That’s what makes the whole set up dodgy.

Queenjuliana · 03/01/2025 11:41

@mildredsauce dp is now retired, and never had his own business. Yes the wife is named on the GFM page along with her photo

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MildredSauce · 03/01/2025 11:35

Queenjuliana · 03/01/2025 11:03

@mildredsauce no I don't think he's gone into that amount of detail. It's just a short message saying she's got cancer and needs help with living expenses.

At that point it's down to the donor/contributor to decide whether they believe the information provided and whether they want to support this privately organised enterprise. As someone else has pointed out, lots of dubious appeals on GFM and it's caveat emptor for sure.

Your DP has no obligation to provide thanks or page updates to those who have provided support. Although the fact that he is not intending to tell them that he'll be taking some of their donations to pay for his ticket to Germany to deliver cash to ensure that there's no financial footprint might tell you he is aware that matters are being played fast and loose, here.

Saw you said your DP is an electrician. Does he have his own business? If this is going through business accounts, HMRC are even more likely to be interested.

Is the woman with cancer named as a beneficiary on the appeal?

Queenjuliana · 03/01/2025 11:32

@HowdyDoody2025 white saviour complex? His friend is very much from the same social background. And it's not so much billybigballs as the only one who CAN help, more the only one who WILL help. Because he won't listen to common sense

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Mirabai · 03/01/2025 11:31

Queenjuliana · 03/01/2025 11:26

@Calamitousness would a written signed receipt from the wife be proof that she received the funds?

I missed @Calamitousness post - I covered the same ground.

They will want a bank statement proving transfer of funds.

WildCats24 · 03/01/2025 11:27

Queenjuliana · 03/01/2025 11:25

@WildCats24 we are both on very low incomes ( out of choice, we decided to retire early) although that's not really relevant I know..

So…DP doesn’t have deep pockets to hire a shit hot lawyer.

Queenjuliana · 03/01/2025 11:26

@Calamitousness would a written signed receipt from the wife be proof that she received the funds?

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Mirabai · 03/01/2025 11:25

Queenjuliana · 03/01/2025 11:07

@Mirabai I read that myself too, but didn't fully understand it. Don't know who they mean when they say " backer" I.e. is that the donor? Or the organiser? Bit ambiguous

The backer is the donator.

From your DP’s perspective the take home is that crowdfunding income has to be declared by law and that it may be considered potentially taxable income - which is why HMRC want to have a look at it.

The fact he’s giving it to someone else is irrelevant - the account is in his name, the money is going into his bank account - if I earn money and give it to someone else I still have to pay tax on it.

HMRC only have his word for it that he isn’t using it for himself. If 10k is withdrawn in cash from his account and he has no receipts to show purchase or investment, whether domestic or business and he says it took it on a plane to Germany to give to his mate - he will have no receipt to prove that is the case.

If they ask him why his mate couldn’t set up his own crowdfunding account - how will he answer? Because my mate is trying to dodge tax or benefit laws in Germany?

Queenjuliana · 03/01/2025 11:25

@WildCats24 we are both on very low incomes ( out of choice, we decided to retire early) although that's not really relevant I know..

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Ellie56 · 03/01/2025 11:22

@Queenjuliana

After reading @Projectme's very informative and detailed post I think you should cover your back and report the GFM page as you suspect it is a cover for criminal activity.

Queenjuliana · 03/01/2025 11:20

@YesThatsATurdOnTheRug Wasn't meaning to be sarcastic. It just that I know why he's doing it. He's soft hearted and loyal to his friend and genuinely wants to help. Yes he's being ridiculously naive too. Feelings of inadequacy? Possibly but he's not alone in that, far from it. I do appreciate your opinion though.

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Queenjuliana · 03/01/2025 11:11

@BruFord that's a good suggestion I will tell him to do that..if he ends up going

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Queenjuliana · 03/01/2025 11:07

@Mirabai I read that myself too, but didn't fully understand it. Don't know who they mean when they say " backer" I.e. is that the donor? Or the organiser? Bit ambiguous

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Hameth · 03/01/2025 11:06

Queenjuliana · 03/01/2025 10:54

@DangerPigeon thank you for this. I will do exactly as you've suggested, that's a really good idea. 🙏I think the answers have strayed a long way from my post title..I get that people are concerned but when it gets to talk of terrorism and drug trafficking...perhaps now I'M being naive but I'm sure it's nothing like that

Unfortunately, the advice is relevant to the actual situation. This isn't about your hubby lending £50 from the family Christmas turkey fund to a ne'er do well mate down the pub you know you'll never see again, but full on money laundering and fraud (with likely drugs and possible terrorism risks) committed with full prior knowledge. If this goes ahead, and you are caught you will very likely have a life defining criminal record and jail is very likely. Most of us are holding our heads in our hands wondering what else we can say to stop you ruining your life (your partner can take his own responsibility). Google "Western Union Money Mules" to see what happens, and how well-meaning but bewildered people are still sent to jail.

Queenjuliana · 03/01/2025 11:03

@mildredsauce no I don't think he's gone into that amount of detail. It's just a short message saying she's got cancer and needs help with living expenses.

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justasking111 · 03/01/2025 10:58

Queenjuliana · 03/01/2025 10:54

@DangerPigeon thank you for this. I will do exactly as you've suggested, that's a really good idea. 🙏I think the answers have strayed a long way from my post title..I get that people are concerned but when it gets to talk of terrorism and drug trafficking...perhaps now I'M being naive but I'm sure it's nothing like that

Doesn't matter if she really has cancer. Your German friends are at the very least defrauding the German government. You will be caught up in the mess