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To think DP is being used by so called "friend"

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Queenjuliana · 30/12/2024 10:00

Apologies for the long post, it takes a bit of explaining....DP has a friend who lives in Germany with his partner. DP and friend have known each other since childhood, went to school together etc. They are only in contact via social media, mainly to talk about football and reminisce about the old days. From what I can gather, the friend leads an "alternative" lifestyle. They don't have proper jobs, they smoke dope, and are self described "anarchists" ( whatever that is!) The friend's wife has recently been diagnosed with breast cancer. The friend has asked my partner to set up a Go Fund me page to raise money for her. The target is £9000. Apparently he does not want to do this himself because the money cannot be traceable to him. After lots of questioning to a very defensive DP, this is what I've managed to surmise..She is getting free health care treatment in Germany for her cancer. But due to the cancer she cannot work (cleaning job I believe) So they want the funds for living expenses. Germany of course have a sickness benefit which can be claimed but I'm assuming they haven't paid anything into the scheme as they are not eligible. So why am I resentful of this kind act my DP is doing? This friend has history of coming to DP when he needs money. DP is a soft touch, very kindhearted and an easy target. He talked him into "investing" £500 in the past to some hare brained music company he was supposedly setting up. Obviously the money was never seen again. Also, why can't the friend support his own wife? I personally can't see why he expects other people to donate to their living expenses because he hasn't bothered to get a decent job, and because they haven't paid into the health insurance scheme over there. The collection is going well and they have got to £7000. On top of this, because the money has to be untraceable, the friend has to have it in cash so DP has agreed to fly to Germany with it!! I know it's not my business but it all sounds so dodgy and underhand. I have every sympathy for her cancer diagnosis but she is getting well cared for and her prognosis is good as caught early. I'm pretty sure the friend would not be doing the same for DP if the roles were reversed. AIBU to think DP is being taken for a mug and this whole thing sounds like a scam?

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MoreHappy · 30/12/2024 13:19

it sounds so dodgy sure he doesn't owe his drug dealer?

scratchyfannyofcocklane · 30/12/2024 12:40

I'm assuming that most of the go fund me donations have come from friends and family still in the UK? What happens if the woman isn't really ill, someone finds out and your DH's friend denies all knowledge of ever asking him to set up the collection?
The social and criminal consequences for your DP could ruin him (and you) Please get DP to close the page and return the donations before he finds himself plastered all over the tabloids for fraud...

ChaToilLeam · 30/12/2024 12:36

I live in Germany, we have a good healthcare system and even if you haven’t been paying our equivalent of National Insurance, you should be able to claim Bürgergeld (basic social security payments). But for this they want your former employment details, and to know why you are currently not working, and they can ask to check bank statements and query any unexplained sums being paid in, for example from undeclared work. Unless they are living completely outside all social security systems, this will be what they’re trying to avoid.

SmurfetteBlue · 30/12/2024 12:26

The money is clearly traceable back to your husband. Should the money be used for anything other than it's 'intended' purpose, the only one getting in trouble would be your husband.

One way or another, if your husband gets checked at the airport and have a wad of cash on him, he's either going to have to tell the truth that the cash is aiding benefit fraud, or he's going to have to lie and say it's for another purpose.

Each to their own but I wouldn't be tolerating that.

Catsbreakfast · 30/12/2024 12:17

TheYearOfSmallThings · 30/12/2024 10:25

Does your husband know where the donations to this page will come from? I mean it sounds like very small scale money laundering.

That’s what im
thinking. I’d tell your husband to stay well
clear of this.

FluDog · 30/12/2024 12:08

The biggest thing for me would be how that money goes from a gofundme account to cash. Transferred from gofundme to your DPs bank account, then withdrawn from a bank as cash?

It may not be traceable to the friend but it will be very traceable to your DP. Either now or in future there could be questions about where that money went and there will be no record of it past being in your DP's possession.

Joelle84 · 30/12/2024 11:47

YourGladSquid · 30/12/2024 10:50

@tarheelbaby I’m not 100% sure but I believe if they cancel the raising the money just reverts back to each donor account when it’s an online fundraising.

Might be the best option here. Then block this “friend” going forward

Richard1985 · 30/12/2024 11:46

Has your partner had a brain injury?

Travelling to Germany with a suitcase full of cash to help commit benefit fraud😂

Chatting over social media about the footy is one thing, and even sending £500 of your own money (if you can afford to lose it) I can just about get on board with but this is another level of stupidity

YourWildAmberSloth · 30/12/2024 11:23

DP has a responsibility to you. It's one thing helping a 'friend' but not if it means getting done for fraud or deception. If he does get arrested or something goes wrong, frankly he only has himself to blame. The whole thing sounds dodgy as hell and he's a fool for going along with it.

Forgotthebins · 30/12/2024 11:16

I would absolutely lose the plot if DH suggested he was travelling with £7k in cash. What if he got mugged or lost it? Let alone explaining it to a border guard at security, even if it is totally legal, which sounds borderline, who does that these days of electronic money. No way. It sounds totally dodgy.

BobbyBiscuits · 30/12/2024 11:14

@Longtimelurkerfinallyposts I know people who claim to be that, yeah. Hippies, crusties, whatever...I'm not saying all are on benefits but the ones I know are.

Birchtree1 · 30/12/2024 11:14

Hi, I am german but have lived in the UK for almost 20 years.
My family is all in Germany.
The german healthsystem and care is generally excellent.
A family member has had cancer and several bouts of illness recently and care was always amazing.
You don't have to pay for it ( is the partner german?)
You normally are also entitled to benefits and particularly if you have to go through chemo/radiation therapy it should not be difficult to get sozialhilfe.
If she was properly employed before she should still get her salary/ percentage of salary automatically and this usually for a long period of time. Either 70% before tax or maximum 90% after tax for a maximum of 1.5 years.
I can't imagine anyone not being eligible for support?
But wouldn't know if she wasn't regularly/officially employed?
But normally the Krankenkasse ( bit like german nhs) calculates a certain amount based on circumstances and prior earnings etc. There will be a baserate.
I personally want to say this will be better and easier achieved in Germany compared to the UK.
But also....I haven't lived there for a long time.
I think it sounds fishy and your husbands friend may be trying to defraud the system.

Longtimelurkerfinallyposts · 30/12/2024 11:01

BobbyBiscuits · 30/12/2024 10:52

They're obviously on every benefit going. Most 'alternative/anarchist' types believe in taking advantage of the state financially.
It's obvious he's trying to dodge something. What did he tell you DP to say to customs if he was searched? Would he be able to lie to authority? In a strange country?

Edited

Rubbish. Do you actually know any anarchists? Lots are so opposed to the State that they don't even claim the benefits they would be entitled to, as they want as little to do with the State as possible.

arcticpandas · 30/12/2024 10:59

I would tell DP to not do it. You don't know these people well, it might even be a scam and your DP would be responsable since he started the gofund. Give him an easy way out, the same as I've given my DH in a similar situation (friend who wanted him to invest in a dodgy scheme) : DP can say " Sorry, but my wife is firmly against it so I can't"
End of discussion

BobbyBiscuits · 30/12/2024 10:52

They're obviously on every benefit going. Most 'alternative/anarchist' types believe in taking advantage of the state financially.
It's obvious he's trying to dodge something. What did he tell you DP to say to customs if he was searched? Would he be able to lie to authority? In a strange country?

bigkidatheart · 30/12/2024 10:51

Sounds like they are able to claim sickness pay but can't if they have money, that's why it needs to be untraceable

YourGladSquid · 30/12/2024 10:50

@tarheelbaby I’m not 100% sure but I believe if they cancel the raising the money just reverts back to each donor account when it’s an online fundraising.

YourGladSquid · 30/12/2024 10:48

Apparently he does not want to do this himself because the money cannot be traceable to him.

Is there any proof of this supposed cancer?

BlueSilverCats · 30/12/2024 10:46

This is raising so many red flags it could be China.

Untraceable, cash only, delivered to them.

Just how naive is your husband?

Joelle84 · 30/12/2024 10:44

Id contact the wife myself and ask how her treatment is going?

Sparkletastic · 30/12/2024 10:40

As a PP says, can you even be sure the DW has cancer?

tarheelbaby · 30/12/2024 10:37

Help your DP separate himself from all this malarkey. It has dodgy written all over it. He definitely should not fly anywhere with a suitcase full of cash. Transporting that quantity of money across international borders is probably illegal.

I'm not sure what the best answer is since clearly many people have donated (in good faith?) to support a woman with breast cancer (any proof of that?).

If there's no way to refund to the donors, maybe donate the cash to a cancer charity in the UK or in Germany?

TwinklyNight · 30/12/2024 10:36

If he wants it he should pick it up himself, and he can thank your dp for doing this big favour for him while he's at it.

SeaShellsSanctuary180 · 30/12/2024 10:32

That all sounds like your DP could well be getting himself involved in illegal activity. I'd be very cautious about proceeding any further with anything related to this.

EmeraldRoulette · 30/12/2024 10:30

I wouldn't be surprised if the wife being ill is a lie.