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To think we've made a mistake with DS big present?

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lynzmb · 30/12/2024 00:12

We got DS6 an Amazon Fire Max 11 tablet for Christmas to replace an ancient iPad. I'm pretty tech savvy but I have really struggled to get certain apps on the kids profile - YouTube Kids seems extremely difficult to add, research talks about side loading etc which just seems like an almighty faff. I'm worried we keep running into problems like this, DS will lose interest and it was v expensive.

I'm wondering if we return it and look at another android tablet instead. Seen a few people suggesting Samsung with Family Link app for parental controls.

I'm feeling stupid already for not realising the limitations around Amazon tablets so please be kind! Or is there a simple solution I'm missing?

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AvidBee · 30/12/2024 10:12

Return the tablet and buy him some proper toys.

YouTube kids is full of things that are not child friendly. You can get some decent apps (hairy letters for phonics, drawing etc.), but they should be downloaded onto an adult tablet.

User74893677 · 30/12/2024 10:09

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 30/12/2024 09:57

Kids often want to watch the same thing over and over again. Sometimes, a smaller, quieter screen means that parents don't have to hear Bluey dance mode for the umpteenth time that month, but know that their child has had 10 minutes of downtime watching something they love.

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If it really is just 10 or 20 minutes then I don’t really buy that. I can’t think of many parent who couldn’t tolerate the same episode of Bluey once a day for 10 or 20 minutes.

HotCrossBunplease · 30/12/2024 10:08

Those of you who have replied to this thread to patronise the OP about the evils of screens, accuse her of “useless parenting” and generally pile on to stick the boot in, ask yourselves this: why are you spending this time, right now, on an internet chat forum writing rude and unsolicited messages to a stranger? Do you genuinely think that you are the first person to tell her that screens are bad, or that your “intervention” will save her child from irreparable “brain rot”? Or do you think (in the manner of a missionary in the deepest Amazon) that there may be someone else out there reading this who truly had no idea and can be saved before it is too late?

I’m astonished that none of you appreciate the irony of the fact that one of the biggest evils of the internet is the power it gives people to bully strangers and enable those who are compelled to proclaim that their world view is the only one that has any merit. And also the way that those prone to such behaviour become addicted to it, clicking on thread after thread after thread with the sole purpose of getting a kick from being sanctimonious.

Perhaps take a dose of your own medicine and consider stepping away from the online world, maybe try to live truly by your own screen-free ideals in 2025?

Fandangles · 30/12/2024 10:07

People who say it’s no-one else’s business how others parent their own children…. Sure. But how people parent their children will end up affecting other kids. I don’t want to send my son around to his friends houses because some of them seem to have unfettered YouTube access, or all they want to do is play Fortnite. If I invite them here, they seem to find it boring if gaming isn’t an option.

I’m a teacher and do find it frightening how screen time has affected attention spans, dominated conversations and brought up so many safeguarding issues. And I’m in primary.

So sometimes, how others parent their children does affect a wider society.

FreeRider · 30/12/2024 10:05

Amazon Fire tablets run on a version of Android OS that doesn't support the Google Play Store, which means adding apps is harder. Used to be able 'jail break' them and install a standard version of Android OS on them, but I believe that has become harder to do.

doodleschnoodle · 30/12/2024 10:03

I'm afraid I also have one of those children who can take it or leave it! She has free access, it's just another toy. We are a tech household so we have tablets, Switch, other games stuff etc. that are free for use whenever. DD1 might play her tablet for 45 mins one day and then not pick it up again for a week. Looking at screen time for the past week, she's spent one hour in 7 days on it. 20 mins on the Paw Patrol game, 20 mins on her maths game and the rest on some CBeebies stuff. I don't think I'll be panicking about brain rot quite yet Grin

If you do have one of those kids who can't handle it or have tantrums about it then fair enough but I'm perfectly happy with her use of tech. She's incredibly crafty, we allow her to watch a couple of craft channels on YouTube, and she is far more likely to spend hours a day doing crafts and drawing m than on her tablet.

School have them in classrooms and recommended a maths app that they subscribe to so she has that on her own tablet and her teacher can see her progress as it's a shared login. She also likes Reading Eggs.

As for books, I work in publishing and used to be a book editor. I'd imagine we have more books than most people on this thread Grin

IpsyUpsyDaisyDoos · 30/12/2024 09:57

User74893677 · 30/12/2024 09:51

Do you not have a tv she can watch tv programmes on? Genuine question. Why a tablet? Why not the family tv?

Kids often want to watch the same thing over and over again. Sometimes, a smaller, quieter screen means that parents don't have to hear Bluey dance mode for the umpteenth time that month, but know that their child has had 10 minutes of downtime watching something they love.

godmum56 · 30/12/2024 09:54

lynzmb · 30/12/2024 00:29

Thanks so much everyone. Wish I'd asked here before buying!

Any genius ideas for explaining the Santa part welcome! I don't want him getting used to the idea that you can return Santa presents, or presents in general tbh!

An elf made a mistake and sent the wrong one. Simples!

Poppins21 · 30/12/2024 09:52

Workhardcryharder · 30/12/2024 07:38

A 10 year old with a tablet AND access to the internet?

We have parental controls and the school she attends asked all children had access to a computer or tablet for independent research

User74893677 · 30/12/2024 09:51

Nottodaythankyou123 · 30/12/2024 09:37

My eldest (3) has a fire tablet - I have the internet turned off so she can only watch what I’ve downloaded (Bluey, frozen etc). She watches maybe 20 minutes a day, although sometimes turns it off to put her Tonies box on instead.

At last count she had over 100 books and has spent an hour and a half this morning playing with her dolls house by herself, creating a ridiculously intricate imaginary scenario.

I completely accept some parents use screen time as a substitution but in small doses along with age appropriate toys and activities it can’t really be vilified that that extent. Especially given her school will give her an iPad to take to lessons and do her homework on - like it or lump it, screens are a part of kids lives these days, it’s just managing it responsibly that’s the challenge.

Do you not have a tv she can watch tv programmes on? Genuine question. Why a tablet? Why not the family tv?

RaginaPhalange · 30/12/2024 09:40

My dc have samsung tablets and are very easy for them to use and can set.up parental controls.

Nottodaythankyou123 · 30/12/2024 09:37

TheaBrandt · 30/12/2024 09:30

Sorry it’s chilling this start them young to be screen addicts.

My eldest (3) has a fire tablet - I have the internet turned off so she can only watch what I’ve downloaded (Bluey, frozen etc). She watches maybe 20 minutes a day, although sometimes turns it off to put her Tonies box on instead.

At last count she had over 100 books and has spent an hour and a half this morning playing with her dolls house by herself, creating a ridiculously intricate imaginary scenario.

I completely accept some parents use screen time as a substitution but in small doses along with age appropriate toys and activities it can’t really be vilified that that extent. Especially given her school will give her an iPad to take to lessons and do her homework on - like it or lump it, screens are a part of kids lives these days, it’s just managing it responsibly that’s the challenge.

TheUsualChaos · 30/12/2024 09:36

Wow OP, their own tablet so they can watch kids You tube? This is what you want for your child's Christmas?😕 Take this as a sign you made a mistake, return the tablet and get them Lego or something instead.

twilightermummy · 30/12/2024 09:33

The 11+ max has the Google play store, unlike the other Amazon tablets. I'm sure there's a way around child locks but if it's YouTube you're concerned about then, at the age of 6, you should be able to control what they're watching.
I agree with above poster though, after seeing the effects of YouTube on my own children, I'd scrap that idea altogether.

berksandbeyond · 30/12/2024 09:31

It's a bit depressing that a child can be simultaneously young enough for Santa magic but also deemed old enough for the brain rot that is YouTube

TheaBrandt · 30/12/2024 09:30

Sorry it’s chilling this start them young to be screen addicts.

BertieBotts · 30/12/2024 09:28

I'd avoid YouTube full stop TBH, even YouTube kids is full of such mind numbing rubbish and I'm not snobby about screen time. But the setting on YouTube to whitelist channels doesn't give them access to search what they are allowed to watch and if you do it by age, then you have to constantly go in and block weird channels about changing Elmo's diapers, scary doctors complete with menacing injection wielding thumbnail, and Princess Peach being pregnant by Mario etc not to mention the thousands of random kid influencers, AI generated surprise egg videos and billions of identical channels showing peppa pig knockoffs with a constant creepy annoying laugh track.

It's got much much worse over the last year or so. I used to use YT as a free source of entertainment for DC but it's so hard to keep up with blocking all the weird stuff now that I'm about to uninstall it.

Allthehorsesintheworld · 30/12/2024 09:27

lynzmb · 30/12/2024 00:14

Also we'd do the switch so he wouldn't be without - but also wondering how we explain as it was Santa who brought it - it's gone back to the workshop? The elves realised they'd made a mistake? 🤦🏻‍♀️

There was a recall on the product so the elves collected it and left the new one?
The elves left a note explaining — print off a few elf pictures and add the note.

CleftChin · 30/12/2024 09:27

User74893677 · 30/12/2024 08:19

I take your point. However, I have many friends who would disagree. One child I know taught himself piano from YouTube. He practised a lot over a few years and it was fabulous. His mum said he only uses YouTube to learn piano. That’s it. She really believed that. Then she saw his useage and it was thousands and thousands of hours and only a tiny proportion was anything to do with music. Most was him watching people playing fortnight etc and general scrolling of shorts.

Shes an amazing mum. Really on it. But also works, has things to do in the house etc and wasn’t monitoring her child 24/7.

OK - but when I was a kid I didn't only read text books, there were comics too.

My kids do watch lots of other things too, not denying that, but I think that the good outweighs the bad easily (and by bad, I mean watching people playing splatoon or whatever, not actual bad stuff)

I get reports of what they're watching, I hear them around me, I am aware of what they're doing, and tell them to switch to something else if it's innapropriate.

SouthernFashionista · 30/12/2024 09:22

Yes, one particular ‘influencer’ on Instagram has a child who has just turned one. Poor kid has few toys but is always dumped in front of a screen. Mum is constantly saying how his favourite movie is ‘Sing’ - you couldn’t make it up.

Thumbelinahope · 30/12/2024 09:19

BonnyBugbear · 30/12/2024 05:38

6? Definitely too young. This is the trouble with parents wanting their kids to have every single thing because they can. You know a tablet is just like a phone don't you? They can get onto anything they like once they learn how to get round it, and you won't want them on TikTok - ever.

Mine have tablets. They enjoy them. They have set amounts of screen time. 1 hour per day.
My son in particular has came leaps and bounds with super simple learning videos on YouTube, we sing the songs together. Half my daughters school work is done via Tablet and laptop and that is primary school.

Zanatdy · 30/12/2024 09:19

Whereland · 30/12/2024 09:16

I'm 🤯🤯 that children as young as 5/6 are brought their own tablets. Like why

Some have them much younger

Zanatdy · 30/12/2024 09:18

My nephew is 2 and I was surprised to see that they put youtube videos on the TV for him. He likes something called Vlad and Nikki which is a horrible display of excess wealth. Mine watched TV at that age only, and Cbeebies. He doesn’t watch anything educational. He doesn’t watch to excess but they get him out of the house to avoid him asking for it.

TimeForATerf · 30/12/2024 09:18

DD was a paediatric HCP, she says screens are like crack for kids, starting with coco melon for toddlers. Brain fry stuff.

Whereland · 30/12/2024 09:16

I'm 🤯🤯 that children as young as 5/6 are brought their own tablets. Like why