Anyone else hate the expectation to shave down there?

For me though, and what I got from the OP, its the issue of men who wont have any sort of sexual relationship with a woman with pubic hair and put pressure on women to shave which many women feel that they must do even though they dont want to.

A woman who removes it because she prefers it, a lot of my friends do this, then thats their choice as its their body. I have no problem with that, why the hell would I care?! Its the ones that do it because men and porn tell them they should that I find worrying.

Perhaps we should start telling men that we wont sleep with them unless they shave their pubes too and see how that goes. Cos its funny how pubes are only gross when its a womans and not their own......

I don't get the 'prepubescent look' argument. I'm almost 37 and very clearly an adult woman, with curves in all the right places. No hair down there certainly doesn't make me look as if I'm suddenly 10.

There is no 'argument'.

Just women being awful and putting other women down because they make different personal choices.

No doubt they'd be the first to complain if men were being awful to women because of their personal choices.

Yep, shave the lot off, always did. Ditto legs, arms, pits, everything bar eyebrows and the hair on my head. Because I hate bodily hair, it looks and feels shit (to me, for me). If my partner asked for some hair down there - I'd consider it, full bush - no. But he's not fussed either way.

I don't get the 'prepubescent look' argument. I'm almost 37 and very clearly an adult woman, with curves in all the right places. No hair down there certainly doesn't make me look as if I'm suddenly 10.

Also hate the pubic, underarm and especially chest hair on men. It grosses me out. Asked some men to shave it off (some do it themselves without me mentioning it), none refused. But I don't demand it and if they'd refused, that's fine, their choice. I just wouldn't date hairy men (especially the chest). Personal preference. I wouldn't go down on a bushy woman or man myself, so I understand others who don't want to.

There is a brilliant scene (in edited because spoiler) for a bikini wax and goes for the Hollywood because she’s mid 50s and wants ‘ to get ahead of the game’ Only time I’ve ever felt the pressure and that’s on me 😁

Csection - you remove the hair in order that the dressing they place is easier to remove post op. It has nothing to do with cleanliness.

Interestingly the current fashion for mullets started with rugby players who tape down their ears so the zinc oxide tape adheres better to the bare skin around their ears. It has become a fashion statement. DS, who plays rugby also has a strip of hair permanently missing from his thighs during the rugby season where he tapes on lifting block.

I may just be lucky but I don’t have hair extending as far back as my anus so don’t have problems maintaining hygiene. As for liquids, unless you have a full shower after every pee you are still smearing urine all over the place. And for those who have never experienced hair down there it does provide a bit of a drip trap when you have the odd leak. I suppose it acts like those sports clothing materials that wick moisture away from the skin and stopping the moisture from building up on your skin. Urine and blood are only two of the fluids that accumulate, there is also sweat and normal secretions that make everything damp and prone to damage.

As has been said many people don't like great big bushy areas when they are having oral sex. It's an aesthetic thing. Bit like you wouldn't like a pube in your sandwich would you?

I wouldn't want a penis in my sandwich but still give a blow job.

Yes I actually do. I accept my standards are higher then most people.

I don't mind what other people do as long as they for example don't smell next to me however it's a fact that quick wipe doesn't make someone "clean" down there and I personally prefer to feel clean for my own sake. Obviously it doesn't bother other people and it's personal preference.

Are you lacking comprehensive skills?
I don't smell worse then other people, quite opposite actually. Thank you for your "concern ".
I never said other people need to remove their pubes. I really don't care what you do with your private parts.

I don't believe wiping menstrual blood with toilet paper makes this area "clean". It doesn't.
I dont mind if other people dont mind it's not clean and don't expect them to wet wipe or shave. I dont always walk away with wet wipes so definitely survived without and I don't always .

Me saying something is " not clean" is not a judgment of anyone. I don't expect people to have the same standards. I understand mine are exesive and it's OK to be less clean. Stop getting defensive and unpleasant.

Do you use a bidet every time you have a shit?

I was responding to your comment that you must be build differently because you're clean after quick wipe while it's not that you're somehow build differently then me we just have different standards.

Different people do have different builds and different strenghts of natural smell, though. No need to be upset by it, you've clearly found what works for you to control it.
Just don't assume that other people need to remove their pubes to be able to do so just because you do, and don't get upset when you're challenged on that assumption.

Clean enough for nothing. I really don't care how clean you are. As long as someone doesn't smell when I stand next to them it's not of my business. I was responding to your comment that you must be build differently because you're clean after quick wipe while it's not that you're somehow build differently then me we just have different standards.

Absolutely not. Hygiene standards have absolutely zero to do with whether someone has pubic hair. It's also funny that you label me when I go through phases of having hair or not having them.
However thinking that you are are somehow " build differently " and you're magically clean and smell of roses after quick wipe of menstrual blood with toilet paper means we have different standards.
I'm not just build differently. I just have different preference. Both our standards are perfectly acceptable but mine are higher, might be too high or obsessive in someone's eyes. I'm not saying I'm better.

Yes maybe we have different standards.

And there it is. The implication that those with pubes have lower standards of cleanliness.

I don't believe you can wipe menstrual blood with toilet paper and be clean. You just think you are.

Clean enough for what?

Yes maybe we have different standards.
I don't believe you can wipe menstrual blood with toilet paper and be clean. You just think you are.

That's your point of view and it's great it works for you. I use wet wipes a lot and they just work better if there is no hair. Hair is much more difficult to wipe then skin.

Also the ammount and length of pubic hair varies between people.

There will be less sitting there because you can easily wipe it, preferably with wet wipe.

I've never needed wet wipes to stay clean and hygienic. Maybe we're built very differently.

There will be less sitting there because you can easily wipe it, preferably with wet wipe. I find it much harder when blood gets stuck to my pubic hair it's more difficult to wipe.
Having pubic hair doesn't magically mean you have no fluids on your skin either. They will be on both skin and hair. Hair only wick things away if there is a lot of build up like it used to be in caveman era.

I said if people wash and wipe daily then having pubic hair is less hygienic because it makes it harder to clean that area. For example it's much harder to clean yourself with wet wipe or toilet paper after using a loo because fluids get stuck in hair.

It doesn't though, not much harder, not even at all harder. It's pubes, not a thick tangle of brambles! I've tried all off a few times (didn't like it) and I felt less clean, not more so.

I didn't say that washing makes it harder to stay hygienic.
I said if people wash and wipe daily then having pubic hair is less hygienic because it makes it harder to clean that area. For example it's much harder to clean yourself with wet wipe or toilet paper after using a loo because fluids get stuck in hair.
However, there is an evolutionary basis for pubic hair that worked very well in the past when people didn't shower, didn't wipe or had underwear. It worked as protection then.

C section is another story because you're talking about blood infection. That happens not because of lack of hair but because of skin damage. While that's another valid point I was responding to people who argued that having pubic hair in itself is more hygienic. Not because of inappropriate shaving that damages skin.

The midwife trimmed my hair before my c section by the way and It made it much easier to stay clean after.

Do they actually think sweat, urine and menstrual blood just magically don't exist because the pubes don't? I mean no, that'll still be there, just sitting on the skin surface rather than the hair actually wicking it away.

I see we’ve now descended to calling people who make the entirely personal choice not depilate dirty. Not a good look @Bibi12.

What? Washing makes it harder to stay clean? Rubbish.

It’s not harder to stay hygienic with pubic hair. Washing normally is all that’s needed.

removing hair damages the skin leaving abrasions where bacteria can hide. This is what makes it harder to “stay hygienic”. Normal washing doesn’t remove the hidden bacteria and can result in infection.

it’s not advised to remove pubic hair for c-sections and other surgeries due to the increased risk of mrsa, staph etc. there have been plenty of studies.

However if someone daily showers, cleans and wipes then hair will only gather fluids making it harder to wipe and clean. In that case having a lot of hair down there only makes it harder to stay hygienic, especially during menstruation.

Oddly enough I've neve had any difficulty staying clean with hair.
That aside, shaving and maxing causes micro nicks and tears in the skin.

Even if someone showers daily the hair will acumulate pee, menstrual blood and vaginal discharge during a day which will be much harder to wipe out between the showers.

The myth that pubic hair are more hygienic and keep infection away come from evolutionary perspective. It worked great in the past when people didn't shower, wipe and had no underwear.