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worriedallthetime15 · 29/12/2024 21:12

I know I probably am being the unreasonable one, but i’m so angry and upset about my mum’s weight and it’s all coming out right now
For context, my mum has struggled with her weight since I was a child, she lost a huge amount a few years ago, was even one of the slimming world slimmers of the year losing about 5 stone. Before that she had also dropped a lot and got down to a really small size around 2007.

Anyway, this year has been hard for our family. We’re all very close and my grandmother had a very difficult stay in the hospital and we nearly lost her a few times. She’s finally out and she has more care needs than she did before. I am helping my mother care for her all day as it stands.
My mother is 64, she is struggling with her weight and she keeps getting fluid on her legs, they go red and swollen. She also refuses to ever see a GP.
When she was in the hospital with my grandmother we saw how awful the NHS is at the minute. Literally saw older people being dehydrated and left to die and she kept saying how she couldn’t end up in hospital. She even dropped 2 stone.
Now it’s all gone back on and more and she’s just given up. I know it’s Christmas, but she’s being a glutton. Every night she has a huge slab of brownie, loads of ice creams and double cream and chocolate sauce all over. I asked her to maybe just have a slice of the brownie once in a while.
Anyway, it all came to a head last night when I commented on her yet again overloaded desert.
What I feel is, if she ends up in hospital, I’ll not only have to care for her (I’m an only child and she’s not married) but I’ll also have to somehow care for my nan at the same time. I’m also disabled myself and as I type I’m in a lot of pain with arthritis but have to keep on to care for my grandmother. I can’t possibly do everything and care for her at the same time and take it all on, I’ll have no life of my own. I have a lot to manage with my own health conditions anyway.
She refuses to take any responsibility for herself and I think maybe I’m being selfish in just wanting to her to take ownership of her own health.

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Barney16 · 29/12/2024 23:41

It's very hard OP but you have to protect yourself and perhaps disengage. You aren't going to change her, all you can change is your response. Sounds easy but if course it isn't. But just try to step away a bit. If she eats loads at a particular time make sure you aren't in the room with her. You and your mum have been through a really rough time so prioritise self care.

Pussycat22 · 29/12/2024 23:34

I think she's given up.

LuluBlakey1 · 29/12/2024 23:31

worriedallthetime15 · 29/12/2024 23:24

If I was to move far away, I'd have no support group for if I'm in a bad way, nobody to help me or do anything for me if I was stuck.

Also, I feel like I need to be here to help them, I don't think they'd cope on their own. I don't know, I don't see it working for them without me.

Well it isn't going to work for you with them both needing care- that will fall on you.

A social services assessment of your gran- without you involved in her care- would put more care in place but would also note your mum's issues and possibly get the ball rolling in helping her with some of those.

She may require water tablets/ blood pressure medication which could make a difference to her weight and swelling of her kegs and so her mobility.

If you are there to help with the care, that will be what happens- it will fall to you. You don't need to move 50 miles away but somewhere that you could call in twice a week rather than be on tap 24 hours for both of them.

worriedallthetime15 · 29/12/2024 23:31

Youtoldmeonce · 29/12/2024 23:26

Did your Nan have a care package on leaving hospital?
I’m afraid that you need to let social services know your situation and that you will not be able to continue this level of care for her.
Your Nan should be entitled to Attendance Allowance (it’s not means tested) which could go towards paid help. Also contact Age UK (Age Concern) for advice.

She did, carers 4 times a day, but she and my mum cut them down to once a day for washing as they said we could manage the other things ourselves and I think tomorrow they want to say don't bother with the once a day as she can manage to wash.

It's not a lot of big things, but like she needs supervision to go to the loo, and I'm up and down all the time getting things or her medication and doing washing up and as I have disabilities, it's hard for me. Like at night she needs someone there for the commode to make sure she moves safely to it and I'm getting up or changing the bucket of it and it's all added up to mean I'm in a lot of pain.

She does get DLA.

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Purplecatshopaholic · 29/12/2024 23:30

You do not have to be a carer if you don’t want to op. Don’t be a martyr - your mum has choices about her life and health, and you have choices about whether you take on caring responsibilities. Just saying - it’s not inevitable unless you let it be.

Youtoldmeonce · 29/12/2024 23:26

Did your Nan have a care package on leaving hospital?
I’m afraid that you need to let social services know your situation and that you will not be able to continue this level of care for her.
Your Nan should be entitled to Attendance Allowance (it’s not means tested) which could go towards paid help. Also contact Age UK (Age Concern) for advice.

worriedallthetime15 · 29/12/2024 23:24

LuluBlakey1 · 29/12/2024 23:20

That is her choice to make - she may well be making it out of fear of facing the truth medically but it is her choice to make.

Could you move out and have your own place to live, far enough away so that you do nit face this pressure every day? It would also mean your mum and gran had to be assessed and there would be intervention.

If I was to move far away, I'd have no support group for if I'm in a bad way, nobody to help me or do anything for me if I was stuck.

Also, I feel like I need to be here to help them, I don't think they'd cope on their own. I don't know, I don't see it working for them without me.

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worriedallthetime15 · 29/12/2024 23:22

RosesAndHellebores · 29/12/2024 23:20

@worriedallthetime15 anyone can have a carer's assessment and they can suggest therapeutic interventions and support groups. It isn't about money.

I wish you well you poor love.

I didn't know this, so I could have one and they could suggest things I might need to help me in a lot of ways. I thought it was only for people coming in and doing things for you.

Thank you, that's kind of you.

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RosesAndHellebores · 29/12/2024 23:20

@worriedallthetime15 anyone can have a carer's assessment and they can suggest therapeutic interventions and support groups. It isn't about money.

I wish you well you poor love.

LuluBlakey1 · 29/12/2024 23:20

worriedallthetime15 · 29/12/2024 23:11

That's the thing, she won't even see a doctor or nurse or anyone, she hasn't been in over 10 years and refuses as she would rather live in denial (her words)

That is her choice to make - she may well be making it out of fear of facing the truth medically but it is her choice to make.

Could you move out and have your own place to live, far enough away so that you do nit face this pressure every day? It would also mean your mum and gran had to be assessed and there would be intervention.

worriedallthetime15 · 29/12/2024 23:16

RosesAndHellebores · 29/12/2024 22:57

A couple of things @worriedallthetime15

Firstly contact the council for a carers assessment. They may be able to provide some support for you.

Secondly, are you under rheumatology and are you receiving optimal treatment for your pain/health condition? Be the squeaky wheel.

Thirdly, make time to do something for you every day. Something like pilates may be helpful for your core and to take pressure off your joints.

If your gran is living with you, does she get attendance allowance and if not, please apply - it can be used to help with chores. Your mother may also be eligible for it.

In relation to your mother's health, for as long as she has capacity, there is nothing you can do. If she ignores her health and continues eating, that is not your fault. You have agency over yourself, not yiur mother. If she keels over, then she will get medical care and advice. I suspect she has some MH issues too.

If your mother keels over, your grandmother is your responsibility insofar as you negotiate care packages with social services. You cannot and must not do it.

I'm assuming that as your mother is 64, my age, your gran is in her 80s. Your mum must be as stressed about losing her mum as you are about losing yours.

Is your dad on the scene?

I feel for you but you have to put yourself and your needs first to help the others. Please ignore your mum's accusations.

Do you have a job? Would you like one? Something to get you out of the house.

My father isn't on the scene, no. I work from home and I'm on a bit of leave due to the situations that have been happening and how they affected my health.

My grandmother has carers, but once a day as she said she didn't need their help the rest of the day and is probably not going to have them from next week as she's washing herself now.
I don't think I'd be eligible for carers, living with others and I'm not sure what they would even do for me. It's just that I'm in a lot of pain and exhausted, but otherwise I do things.

Nan does get DLA.

I'm sure she is stressed about possibly losing her as well, I know I am and about my mum, the thing is, this isn't new. She's just doing the same behaviours she does all the time. I'm just lost as I can't care for both of them and myself but there's no way they'll accept being in a care home should something happen and I know it would be hell for me to even suggest it. I also don't really want that for them, but I'm not well now, I couldn't take on any more, or maybe have to be at the hospital with one and caring at home with the other.

I just feel lost and like she's not helping me out here.

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worriedallthetime15 · 29/12/2024 23:11

olympicsrock · 29/12/2024 22:59

Being morbidly obese will cause your legs and feet to be swollen and prone to cellulitis/ lymphoedema. It may not necessarily be a heart problem .
If she sees a doctor or even the practice nurse they will be able to assess to see if she can have compression stockings or wraps.

Encourage her to get her legs up when she is sitting or resting and encourage her to walk as it will help the leg swelling.

That's the thing, she won't even see a doctor or nurse or anyone, she hasn't been in over 10 years and refuses as she would rather live in denial (her words)

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Owly11 · 29/12/2024 23:10

worriedallthetime15 · 29/12/2024 22:31

She's morbidly obese by her BMI, she's a size 22-24 in clothing.

Of course treats are normal, its' the amount of it piled up and it's on top of all the other things and the fact she's got fluid on her legs and feet and stomach.

Thanks for clarifying that does sound concerning and must be very difficult for you. All I can say is that you are not responsible and there’s not much you can do if she doesn’t want to help herself. I hope you find some respite.

olympicsrock · 29/12/2024 22:59

Being morbidly obese will cause your legs and feet to be swollen and prone to cellulitis/ lymphoedema. It may not necessarily be a heart problem .
If she sees a doctor or even the practice nurse they will be able to assess to see if she can have compression stockings or wraps.

Encourage her to get her legs up when she is sitting or resting and encourage her to walk as it will help the leg swelling.

RosesAndHellebores · 29/12/2024 22:57

A couple of things @worriedallthetime15

Firstly contact the council for a carers assessment. They may be able to provide some support for you.

Secondly, are you under rheumatology and are you receiving optimal treatment for your pain/health condition? Be the squeaky wheel.

Thirdly, make time to do something for you every day. Something like pilates may be helpful for your core and to take pressure off your joints.

If your gran is living with you, does she get attendance allowance and if not, please apply - it can be used to help with chores. Your mother may also be eligible for it.

In relation to your mother's health, for as long as she has capacity, there is nothing you can do. If she ignores her health and continues eating, that is not your fault. You have agency over yourself, not yiur mother. If she keels over, then she will get medical care and advice. I suspect she has some MH issues too.

If your mother keels over, your grandmother is your responsibility insofar as you negotiate care packages with social services. You cannot and must not do it.

I'm assuming that as your mother is 64, my age, your gran is in her 80s. Your mum must be as stressed about losing her mum as you are about losing yours.

Is your dad on the scene?

I feel for you but you have to put yourself and your needs first to help the others. Please ignore your mum's accusations.

Do you have a job? Would you like one? Something to get you out of the house.

worriedallthetime15 · 29/12/2024 22:42

friendconcern · 29/12/2024 22:37

I’m so sorry, you are getting an undeserved hard time on here because it’s considered out of order to be concerned about someone’s weight but it’s very similar in my opinion to watching someone damage themselves through drinking or smoking. I guess it’s still not a particularly helpful thing to do to comment on that but I think people would be more sympathetic to you if your mum’s health was being affected to this extent by one of those things.

I don’t know what the answer is but I just wanted to offer support

To be honest, it hasn't been as bad as I expected.

I know weight is a tricky subject with a lot of people, add in a movement where it's meant to be celebrated now and I get it. I thought it would be worse.

But I totally agree with you, it's just like drinking or smoking yourself to death. She also has physical symptoms of her weight causing her extreme health issues. It would be like watching someone with lung cancer continue to overindulge in cigarettes.

Also, as an aside, her brother died at 45 with heart failure due to excess eating with diabetes. So it's not as if it's unfounded worry here...

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Meadowland · 29/12/2024 22:39

YANBU.

friendconcern · 29/12/2024 22:37

I’m so sorry, you are getting an undeserved hard time on here because it’s considered out of order to be concerned about someone’s weight but it’s very similar in my opinion to watching someone damage themselves through drinking or smoking. I guess it’s still not a particularly helpful thing to do to comment on that but I think people would be more sympathetic to you if your mum’s health was being affected to this extent by one of those things.

I don’t know what the answer is but I just wanted to offer support

worriedallthetime15 · 29/12/2024 22:33

Orangesandlemons77 · 29/12/2024 22:26

You are going to have to detach I think, it sounds very difficult. Do you have anyone else in RL to speak to?

I just don't know how to or see a pathway to doing it. I don't have other family, so I'd be on my own.

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worriedallthetime15 · 29/12/2024 22:31

Owly11 · 29/12/2024 22:29

Can you give some context about how overweight she is - what is her bmi? Eating ice cream and brownies every day over the holidays seems normal to me.

She's morbidly obese by her BMI, she's a size 22-24 in clothing.

Of course treats are normal, its' the amount of it piled up and it's on top of all the other things and the fact she's got fluid on her legs and feet and stomach.

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worriedallthetime15 · 29/12/2024 22:29

MissTrip82 · 29/12/2024 22:22

Do you mean palliated patients? Dying people stop eating and drinking, it is part of the dying process. Nobody is dehydrated to death.

No, they're not on palliative care or there yet but they are left to dehydrate regularly, their stats go all over the place, they sleep all day due to dehydration and they end up on the palliative pathway. I've seen it with my own eyes.

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Owly11 · 29/12/2024 22:29

Can you give some context about how overweight she is - what is her bmi? Eating ice cream and brownies every day over the holidays seems normal to me.

Orangesandlemons77 · 29/12/2024 22:26

worriedallthetime15 · 29/12/2024 22:20

I've tried. Over and over and over and over and over again. She won't get help, she won't see a dr, she hasn't in over 10 years. She's had high BP since 1998 and doesn't even go to get it checked. She refuses any help.

You are going to have to detach I think, it sounds very difficult. Do you have anyone else in RL to speak to?

Orangesandlemons77 · 29/12/2024 22:25

worriedallthetime15 · 29/12/2024 22:17

My grandmother has been assigned carers as a reablement, but didn't like them and most things she can do with our help, so they were coming once a day to wash her but I think she's going to ask them to stop, so not sure what can be assessed.

they're very much 'put the best face on' and even things like cleaning, they're like, don't ask them, we'll do it. It's not extreme needs, and it looks like I'm able to do things, I'm just in a lot of pain.

This is common, in the Elderly parents section, maybe if you post in there in future it could be helpful as they are supportive and understanding of this situation.

MissTrip82 · 29/12/2024 22:22

AnotherDayAnotherIdea · 29/12/2024 21:50

I know this isn't the point of your thread but your comment about the elderly being left to dehydrate resonated with me as this happened in my family and I am not sure how the nhs is getting away with it. Elderly people going in with a minor issue and ending up being dehydrated out of life.

Do you mean palliated patients? Dying people stop eating and drinking, it is part of the dying process. Nobody is dehydrated to death.