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worriedallthetime15 · 29/12/2024 21:12

I know I probably am being the unreasonable one, but i’m so angry and upset about my mum’s weight and it’s all coming out right now
For context, my mum has struggled with her weight since I was a child, she lost a huge amount a few years ago, was even one of the slimming world slimmers of the year losing about 5 stone. Before that she had also dropped a lot and got down to a really small size around 2007.

Anyway, this year has been hard for our family. We’re all very close and my grandmother had a very difficult stay in the hospital and we nearly lost her a few times. She’s finally out and she has more care needs than she did before. I am helping my mother care for her all day as it stands.
My mother is 64, she is struggling with her weight and she keeps getting fluid on her legs, they go red and swollen. She also refuses to ever see a GP.
When she was in the hospital with my grandmother we saw how awful the NHS is at the minute. Literally saw older people being dehydrated and left to die and she kept saying how she couldn’t end up in hospital. She even dropped 2 stone.
Now it’s all gone back on and more and she’s just given up. I know it’s Christmas, but she’s being a glutton. Every night she has a huge slab of brownie, loads of ice creams and double cream and chocolate sauce all over. I asked her to maybe just have a slice of the brownie once in a while.
Anyway, it all came to a head last night when I commented on her yet again overloaded desert.
What I feel is, if she ends up in hospital, I’ll not only have to care for her (I’m an only child and she’s not married) but I’ll also have to somehow care for my nan at the same time. I’m also disabled myself and as I type I’m in a lot of pain with arthritis but have to keep on to care for my grandmother. I can’t possibly do everything and care for her at the same time and take it all on, I’ll have no life of my own. I have a lot to manage with my own health conditions anyway.
She refuses to take any responsibility for herself and I think maybe I’m being selfish in just wanting to her to take ownership of her own health.

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worriedallthetime15 · 30/12/2024 12:11

LittleBalletBum · 30/12/2024 12:09

Maybe your mum won’t go to the doctor because she’s worried about being met with judgement rather than help? Like she’s already getting.

No, it's not that. She's had a 'fear' of them all the time. She doesn't like a dr or a hospital. She just refuses to go as she says they'll find something and she'll be dying.

Believe me it's been years of trying to get her to get some form of MH help. She refuses that as well.

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worriedallthetime15 · 30/12/2024 12:09

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 30/12/2024 11:57

Honestly, you could be me fifteen years ago. My mum said very similar things to me. I could not begin to imagine moving out. It felt completely impossible and as if I would be abandoning her, even though her problems were largely of her own making both in terms of her lack of care for her health and her refusal to see the right doctors or do what they suggested she should do. My mum spent many years caring for my gran and I think that contributed to her sense of being entitled to my life given over to caring for her.

I'm a parent now and all I can tell you is that I would never, ever expect that level of care from my child and I would rather die alone in my own shit than steal my child's life.

Thank you for this. I just don't know what to do, she says she loves me and I know she does, but also whenever I'll say I'm in pain she dismisses it as 'so am I' even though she doesn't have things like I do.

I agree, she might think that as she's done this (although she hasn't moved out as she wasn't able to, so relied on being there) she would obviously expect the same of me. She says over and over that she would never go in a care home and it's obvious it's down to me. She doesn't have the same thoughts as you do about your children.

In the past, if I've wanted to do things alone or go places she'll say 'I can't believe you're doing this' or 'why can't I come' if going away alone. I know it's toxic, I've known for years, but it's hard.

How did you break away? How did things change for you?

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LittleBalletBum · 30/12/2024 12:09

Maybe your mum won’t go to the doctor because she’s worried about being met with judgement rather than help? Like she’s already getting.

godmum56 · 30/12/2024 12:06

Being gently honest about what you can and can't do when she, or others, ask for help, fine. Commenting upon another adult's eating habits/weight, Not fine.

worriedallthetime15 · 30/12/2024 12:06

BenditlikeBridget · 30/12/2024 11:48

Do you feel able to say any more about your own situation with regards disability, @worriedallthetime15 ? Are you physically capable of living independently, would you need supported living or an adapted property etc? You don’t have to say but just wondering how you can explore your options a bit.

I don't want to reveal everything but I have physical and mental disabilities, I am able to walk but have a lot of pain all the time. I try to take care of myself so I'm in a better way than some. No wheelchair or anything.

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stomachamelon · 30/12/2024 12:04

@BenditlikeBridget you have given some brilliant advice. Op I know it's a lot to take in but please try. You have insight as you have clearly shown in your posts. You CAN change all this.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 30/12/2024 11:57

worriedallthetime15 · 30/12/2024 11:43

It's so frustrating and I'm sorry you went through that with your mum.

The thing is, she won't accept going to a care home, she'll just refuse. She's not one who will just accept I cannot do it and carry on and make the best of it. She'll tell me I'm killing her and they will kill her and she'll just make my life a misery.

I'm thinking of just cutting it all and running away but I have nowhere to go. I feel overwhelmed with it all.

Honestly, you could be me fifteen years ago. My mum said very similar things to me. I could not begin to imagine moving out. It felt completely impossible and as if I would be abandoning her, even though her problems were largely of her own making both in terms of her lack of care for her health and her refusal to see the right doctors or do what they suggested she should do. My mum spent many years caring for my gran and I think that contributed to her sense of being entitled to my life given over to caring for her.

I'm a parent now and all I can tell you is that I would never, ever expect that level of care from my child and I would rather die alone in my own shit than steal my child's life.

Trepidfox · 30/12/2024 11:56

Addiction is a vicious cycle (whatever it is - food, alcohol, drugs, gambling, shopping) Deep down, I imagine she knows she is killing herself and hurting you and is terrified and the anxiety is causing her to eat more as its the only way she knows to soothe herself. She also probably thinks she is beyond help and just wants everyone to leave her alone. A big part of addiction is shame, she won't want to see a health professional as she's embarrassed about the state she has got herself in. It's a lot for you to shoulder, you're not a mental health specialist and you have an emotional attachment that comes with being her daughter. She does need to speak with a professional, someone who has real experience with addiction so that she can start to unravel why and start taking care of herself x

Daleksatemyshed · 30/12/2024 11:52

@worriedallthetime15 I know I seem hard on your DM but don't let her stop you going out. You really need some time to yourself, some fresh air and some quiet to be at peace.

Wouldntgocaving · 30/12/2024 11:48

WinterCrow · 29/12/2024 21:20

I think you've got carer's burn-out and overwhelm, OP - and it's good you've recognised this before it's too late.

Have you ever sought out support for yourself? Do you currently have any?

It sounds as if OP and her mother have carers burnout. I agree with those suggesting injectables as well . I hope things improve @worriedallthetime15

BenditlikeBridget · 30/12/2024 11:48

Do you feel able to say any more about your own situation with regards disability, @worriedallthetime15 ? Are you physically capable of living independently, would you need supported living or an adapted property etc? You don’t have to say but just wondering how you can explore your options a bit.

worriedallthetime15 · 30/12/2024 11:47

Daleksatemyshed · 30/12/2024 11:43

Your DM doesn't want an assessment Op, not because of Covid, but because she's afraid they see how unwell she's becoming.
I know you wfh but I hope you go out for yourself sometimes, just for pleasure or does your DM object?

That might be it, it's also just, I don't know, control maybe? So she can control who comes in and out.

I used to more, it's slipped by the wayside with all of this and now it's very much said that with germs spreading around I could catch something bring it back and kill my nan if she catches it. So it's tough.

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worriedallthetime15 · 30/12/2024 11:45

theduchessofspork · 30/12/2024 11:42

Your feelings are very understandable, but from your description she’s had a lifelong eating disorder and they are very hard to fix.

I would tell her there are new treatments - injectables like mounjaro - that really help many people get rid of the ‘food noise’ and cravings she’ll experience. And try to find a way of affording them.

Do they not need medical intervention? As I said she refuses all drs and nurses.

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worriedallthetime15 · 30/12/2024 11:43

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 30/12/2024 11:38

I had this with my mum and also ended up caring for her when the lymphedema in her legs got so bad that she could no longer walk.

I think you might need to step back from the criticism and shaming, which will really not be helping, and work instead on firming up boundaries so that if your mum does end up requiring care you feel strong enough to say no. My mum ended up in a home that cared for her so much better than I ever could and I really regret now not having just put my foot down and set a limit to the level of care I was prepared to give.

Just to reiterate: the shaming isn't helping. I get that the compassion and support didn't help either. I remember that and I did often end up haranguing my mum about her unhealthiness. So I am not saying this to make you feel bad. I am telling you that shaming will not solve this. It will only tank your relationship. What you're really doing is venting your fear and frustration because you are taking it for granted that you'll have to pick up the pieces when her unhealthiness finally comes home to roost. You don't. Work on getting your head around that and find another way of dealing with that fear and frustration until you've released yourself from that future burden. Separate with love.

It's so frustrating and I'm sorry you went through that with your mum.

The thing is, she won't accept going to a care home, she'll just refuse. She's not one who will just accept I cannot do it and carry on and make the best of it. She'll tell me I'm killing her and they will kill her and she'll just make my life a misery.

I'm thinking of just cutting it all and running away but I have nowhere to go. I feel overwhelmed with it all.

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Daleksatemyshed · 30/12/2024 11:43

Your DM doesn't want an assessment Op, not because of Covid, but because she's afraid they see how unwell she's becoming.
I know you wfh but I hope you go out for yourself sometimes, just for pleasure or does your DM object?

theduchessofspork · 30/12/2024 11:42

Your feelings are very understandable, but from your description she’s had a lifelong eating disorder and they are very hard to fix.

I would tell her there are new treatments - injectables like mounjaro - that really help many people get rid of the ‘food noise’ and cravings she’ll experience. And try to find a way of affording them.

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 30/12/2024 11:38

worriedallthetime15 · 29/12/2024 21:15

I have tried compassion, I have tried to help her to therapy and counselling. I supported her through her weight loss journey when she shed weight.

She won't seek help, she won't go to the dr, she hasn't been in over 10 years.

I had this with my mum and also ended up caring for her when the lymphedema in her legs got so bad that she could no longer walk.

I think you might need to step back from the criticism and shaming, which will really not be helping, and work instead on firming up boundaries so that if your mum does end up requiring care you feel strong enough to say no. My mum ended up in a home that cared for her so much better than I ever could and I really regret now not having just put my foot down and set a limit to the level of care I was prepared to give.

Just to reiterate: the shaming isn't helping. I get that the compassion and support didn't help either. I remember that and I did often end up haranguing my mum about her unhealthiness. So I am not saying this to make you feel bad. I am telling you that shaming will not solve this. It will only tank your relationship. What you're really doing is venting your fear and frustration because you are taking it for granted that you'll have to pick up the pieces when her unhealthiness finally comes home to roost. You don't. Work on getting your head around that and find another way of dealing with that fear and frustration until you've released yourself from that future burden. Separate with love.

worriedallthetime15 · 30/12/2024 11:36

Spanglemum02 · 30/12/2024 10:47

Make an appointment with your GP and see what they recommend. It all sounds very unhealthy at the moment, both psychologically and health wise. You won't be able to care for your mum if you go under. It sounds like a lot of emotional manipulation is going on. You would be better off somewhere else.
Do you get PIP , could you afford a cleaner? I think your long term plan needs to be to leave home.

I'm going to book a GP appointment for the new year, I have a lot going on and need some help and advice.
I think, this seems harsh, but she doesn't seem to care if I've gone under. It's happened before and she said I love the attention or she's not well either. I have told her before she acts like I'm expendable. I've been suicidal before but she keeps pushing.

It all sounds so toxic putting it down.

My long term plans were to move out or at least really distance myself. Things have been insane with all we went through and now I'm burnt out, so haven't got the energy to inject into myself.

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worriedallthetime15 · 30/12/2024 11:31

Iwishiwasagiraffe · 30/12/2024 10:58

Op your mum needs to help herself but you also need to help yourself and you’re not doing it. You need to move out and have a life of your own that isn’t so entrenched with your mum and nan. You need to be independent in your own house or flat. It’s ridiculous that your nan has stopped all the care visits she had when she knows you’re struggling- this is selfish behaviour. The whole set up is a massively unhealthy dynamic

Oh I know, I was working on it before but now seems like a bad time with everything going on.

The care visits, well she says there's nothing for them to do, she's already been to the loo by the time they'd show up as they'd come at random times and nobody knew when. My mum would be cooking for her anyway and I'd do her tablets. There didn't feel like anything left for the carers to do. But this last one going, it feels like a big thing that we're just on our own now, especially as they don't want the assessment.

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worriedallthetime15 · 30/12/2024 11:26

BenditlikeBridget · 30/12/2024 11:23

I mean this gently I promise, but none of you seem willing to take hard actions to help yourselves. There’s a lot of learned helplessness and self enforced despair, it seems to me.

Your Nan won’t accept proper care in order to look after herself.
Your Mum won’t stop eating in order to look after herself.
You won’t entertain separation in order to look after yourself.

Does that ring true at all?

Oh yeah, this is completely true. I can see that with myself completely. As I said, I have no other family so it's daunting imagining a life with no family contact, and also the stress of having to move and getting abusive messages about how I've killed either my nan or my mum or they've wound up in the hospital because I've moved out. It's a lot to process ontop of not being so well myself, you know? But yeah, that's all 100% true.

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BenditlikeBridget · 30/12/2024 11:23

I mean this gently I promise, but none of you seem willing to take hard actions to help yourselves. There’s a lot of learned helplessness and self enforced despair, it seems to me.

Your Nan won’t accept proper care in order to look after herself.
Your Mum won’t stop eating in order to look after herself.
You won’t entertain separation in order to look after yourself.

Does that ring true at all?

worriedallthetime15 · 30/12/2024 11:19

bellocchild · 30/12/2024 11:11

"It's not intentional, I suppose I'm at my wits end and exhausted and in pain and see that she's heading for the hospital and continuing with kid gloves is doing nothing at all. She just strops anytime anything is ever mentioned or starts a huge argument until everyone is scared to mention it."
There obviously is some sort of eating problem at work here - but it is your mother's problem, not yours. If she doesn't deal with it, you can't either. You probably need to pick your moment and tell her (kindly) that you won't be able to care for her, so she needs to think about care as she grows older. She won't want to hear this, but it might trigger another attempt at losing weight.

I actually have brought it up, multiple times. She does know this but then she also does expect me to care for her if something happens as I've just been caring for my nan in hospital, I think she expects it'll happen for her however after doing all that I have nothing left and all my conditions are much worse.

She also said she cannot face being in hospital after all she's seen and what can happen but she seems to have forgotten all of that all over again.

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bellocchild · 30/12/2024 11:11

"It's not intentional, I suppose I'm at my wits end and exhausted and in pain and see that she's heading for the hospital and continuing with kid gloves is doing nothing at all. She just strops anytime anything is ever mentioned or starts a huge argument until everyone is scared to mention it."
There obviously is some sort of eating problem at work here - but it is your mother's problem, not yours. If she doesn't deal with it, you can't either. You probably need to pick your moment and tell her (kindly) that you won't be able to care for her, so she needs to think about care as she grows older. She won't want to hear this, but it might trigger another attempt at losing weight.

worriedallthetime15 · 30/12/2024 11:07

BarbedButterfly · 30/12/2024 10:48

Trying to say this gently OP but if you don't move out then nothing will ever change. Your mum won't stop over eating. Your nan won't accept carers because you are there and she has a choice because of that. Until you are willing to make the break no one can help you. No one can give you the combination of words that make them understand and change.

You need to fit your own oxygen mask first.

You can make friends or maybe meet someone. It doesn't have to be a lonely existence. Sometimes life is better without a toxic family anyway.

I know, I know. It's just that they're not all bad, there's a lot of love there and good times and good things. It's hard to just cut away and if I do move out that's what it will be, it would be too big of an argument to have a good relationship afterwards.

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worriedallthetime15 · 30/12/2024 11:05

Iwishiwasagiraffe · 30/12/2024 10:58

Op your mum needs to help herself but you also need to help yourself and you’re not doing it. You need to move out and have a life of your own that isn’t so entrenched with your mum and nan. You need to be independent in your own house or flat. It’s ridiculous that your nan has stopped all the care visits she had when she knows you’re struggling- this is selfish behaviour. The whole set up is a massively unhealthy dynamic

I know it is, it's so unhealthy and I did say to my nan that it wasn't fair and then she started crying saying she should just go back.

I've spoken on here under a different name that our family does emotional blackmail a lot. I don't ever know where to turn because saying any small thing like should we get some help or a cleaner can provoke this kind of argument and outrage. I feel lost with it as I have no other family.

It's hard to convey exactly what happens here, but say I go out now, it'll be non stop that I've bought COVID back, that I'm killing everyone. It's hard to make a move when things are like that.

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