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To be done with DH and my marriage?

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DameVeraLynn · 29/12/2024 06:37

DH and I have been married for 10 years with two children aged 8 and 6. DH is a kind and decent man. He’s a good dad and definitely not one of those awful men you often read about in threads.

My problem is there are 3 people in this marriage. DH is an extremely devoted son to his very clingy mother. She visits 5 times a year each time staying for a week. DH is a perfect son (only child) and reveres his mother. He speaks to her every day and she knows the details of our lives which I hate. I knew of this co-dependent relationship before we got married but it didn’t bother me. Now 10 years down the line after 2 kids and life wearing me down, I’m massively resentful because I have zero emotional connection with DH and that’s because he’s so emotionally invested with his mother. We are more like housemates than man and wife.

Things came to a head this Christmas which ended with me in tears as it has done every Christmas over the past 10 years. MIL stayed for a week, DH was so focused on giving his mum the perfect Christmas, he barely even spoke to me over that time.

Looking back, I’m convinced DH is on the spectrum. He has zero emotional intimacy with me, displays no affection, has never had a pet name or used any terms of endearment for me. It’s like I’m someone he lives with albeit a good friend. He’s not unkind towards me.

I raised all of the above with DH a few days ago. He was mortified, adamant he loves me, recognises his behaviour does appear as uncaring, promising things will change. Here we are a few days later, he spent last night on his phone watching a movie ignoring me. He’s not doing it deliberately to hurt me, he admits he’s clueless when it comes to expressing emotions so prefers to do nothing as he doesn’t know what to do.

I’ve had enough of feeling unloved, ignored with no physical affection or emotional connection. I’m so sad of living in what feels like a loveless marriage. DH is 52 and I’m 45. I am only here for the kids. I can’t live my life feeling so low and this is now affecting my confidence and self esteem. My parents say I should stick with DH as he is a good man. Day to day stuff is manageable but my heart feels heavy and sad.

I’ve been telling myself for years that things will change when MIL passes away and I will then have DH to myself. MIL is in her mid 80s and in rude health and I can see a reality where she lives well into her 90s. I’m not convinced DH will be any more emotionally available if he’s on the spectrum. Do I then put up with this for another 10 years?

Aibu to start some form of separation, such as asking DH to sleep in the spare bedroom so that I can get my head together to leave? I would insist on 50:50 custody and suggest kids stay in the family home whilst we alternate when we’re with them. Has anyone been in this situation? In real life, everyone likes DH as he is a nice guy so I’d come across as being utterly unreasonable. I really don’t know what to do. Any help would be so welcome please. Thanks for reading.

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saltysandysea · 30/12/2024 13:16

You are putting up with much more than I would be. MIL staying for a week every couple of months would do my head in. The daily phone calls would be the final straw.

Your DH is essentially not a husband - that is the problem. He is a mummys boy who, once he has her approval, does not see the need to anything else. I think he can have more of an emotional attachment to you but he is so invested in his mother he has nothing left for you. If MIL dies I think the problem will remain in a different form.

Priorities need to change fast but getting your MIL to back off is going to be hard challenge as well. If he is not making your happy and making you feel invisible he is not a good man.

Maybe a long weekend away (just you) to gather your thoughts would be worth considering.

JMSA · 30/12/2024 13:09

Get out. Can you imagine how unbearable and tedious he is going to be when she passes away? I don't mean to sound heartless, but please don't let it become your problem. If you do then you'll never leave ... and you deserve SO much more.

Easipeelerie · 30/12/2024 13:08

I’m not sure marriage counselling involving a neurodivergent partner would work, unless the counsellor was autistic themselves.

MounjaroOnMyMind · 30/12/2024 13:07

What's he like with your children, if he's so cold with you? I'm concerned you'd want 50:50 with him. It sounds as though he'd prefer to go and live with his mum - would that be possible.

Like others, I think her death will lead to him having a massive breakdown. It won't result in him being nicer to you.

Eskimal · 30/12/2024 13:03

DameVeraLynn · 29/12/2024 14:54

Thank you for the many sensible suggestions. I’m not going to make any rash decisions just yet but think very carefully about my next steps.
I’ve given DH the name of a marriage counsellor a friend is using and see if he steps up.

If he is ND this is the wrong way to go about things. If the marriage counsellor has no current understanding of ND conditions then it will actually be a car crash where he gets blamed for everything. Please don’t assume the counsellor will have up-to-date knowledge about neurodiversity even if she says she does.
getting a diagnosis for your DH is step 1.
depending in that outcome then you’ll be better placed to know what step 2 is.

FictionalCharacter · 29/12/2024 15:48

MincePiesAndStilton · 29/12/2024 07:23

Similar situation here. Hadn’t realised how bad it was until we had DC. I will be leaving for two reasons; 1) Who knows when MIL will die and 2) Even when she does, will it make a difference? Get out whilst you can, life is too short. You will end up caring for her one day.

This is the risk. OP, if/when she gets frail he'll be even more involved with her, and you'll be expected to help him care for her.
Meanwhile you're only 45 and getting nothing but unhappiness from your marriage. He's older, and as he gets to his 60s and 70s he's likely to get worse not better.

Cm19841 · 29/12/2024 15:12

MIL staying for 5 weeks a year would not be acceptable to me.

He must go to her. It would be one week maximum and when I was working. I'm not unwelcoming and have a good relationship with my in-laws. But we do not live in each other's pocket and this works great.

You said it is every Xmas with MIL. Sorry, but why allow this from the start? Next year he can go to her or you can make a plan now and go away on holiday. Take the kids and break the routine.

Stop sharing information with your partner if he shares it directly with his mother. Put in boundaries. And do the counseling for yourself.

DameVeraLynn · 29/12/2024 14:54

Thank you for the many sensible suggestions. I’m not going to make any rash decisions just yet but think very carefully about my next steps.
I’ve given DH the name of a marriage counsellor a friend is using and see if he steps up.

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BeensOnToost · 29/12/2024 10:37

DameVeraLynn · 29/12/2024 08:07

Thanks so much for the comments, they’re really helpful.

I have suggested counselling to DH which he point blanked refused - he doesn’t think there’s anything wrong with his behaviour. Sure that’s related to his mum telling his how wonderful he is!

I’m financially independent and work flexibly. I look after the kids full time before and after school during the week. I made sure when we had kids that I carried on working so that I could remain financially independent.

In my mind, I’m thinking of giving DH six months to see if he steps up. Will suggest he can visit his mum himself or take the kids with him. MIL is not a bad person. She just loves having DH all to herself. She knows she has the power.

Tbf most men only usually agree to counselling when it's framed as an ultimatum.

If you have any employee assistance programmes at work, I'd recommend booking a counselling session through them and telling him that a decision not to attend the session is a decision to end the marriage.

Starlight7080 · 29/12/2024 10:35

Was he affectionate at the beginning of your relationship and before children? Being an only child can somtimes cause a strange co dependency. I would think this would be OK if he also put your needs at special times like Christmas first.
It's a shame he won't do couple's therapy

cartagenagina · 29/12/2024 10:29

YANBU wanting to split up. You deserve happiness.

However you cannot “insist on 50:50” etc. There will be a negotiation but if DH says every other weekend is enough for him, that’s all you will get. Do you think he might move back with his sainted mother?

confusedlots · 29/12/2024 10:24

If you think things will be better when the time comes that MIL unfortunately passes away, they won't be, so don't hang on just for that little glimmer of hope. Not saying that things can't be worked out and that you must leave him, but don't pin it all on that.

If he doesn't change things now, he's likely to fall into a pit of depression when MIL does pass away, he will be the victim and his whole life from then will be centered around the fact that his mum has passed away. I've seen it before in similar relationships, conversations always get steered back to how difficult it is for them without the person who died, even years later, and they usually end up pushing away the majority of their close family and friends as they just become so worn down with it.

WasThatACorner · 29/12/2024 10:14

Phineyj · 29/12/2024 09:17

I'm not sure "modelling" the behaviour you want to see works with neurodiversity. Obviously, when you've met one autistic person, you've met one autistic person, but I find it's better to be very direct about what you need and why. Also someone copying behaviour but not understanding what it's for isn't too helpful in an intimate relationship.

100% agree that modelling the behaviour you want to receive may not be the best plan.

If I tried this with DW who is ND she would just be delighted at all the loveliness. She wouldn't consider why I was doing it, if I might like to receive the same treatment. OP has said his behaviour is already damaging her self esteem. A charm offensive that doesn't get the desired reaction is going ro hurt OP.

She doesn't need to prove that she tried, she isn't having a tantrum. OP had a calm conversation with her husband, has asked for therapy which he refused. None of this is tantruming.

elfshenanigans · 29/12/2024 09:56

Looking back, I’m convinced DH is on the spectrum. He has zero emotional intimacy with me, displays no affection, has never had a pet name or used any terms of endearment for me. It’s like I’m someone he lives with albeit a good friend. He’s not unkind towards me.

no idea if DH is on the spectrum but you are definitely hugely ignorant sprouting such nonsense. You clearly no nothing about Asd, so don't make assumptions.

IdgieThreadgoodeIsMyHeroine · 29/12/2024 09:53

JimHalpertsWife · 29/12/2024 08:48

Well, this is a load of bollocks isn't it? I'd argue happy parents (living separately) is much better than growing up seeing this weird roomate set up as what they should seek from a relationship

You're free to argue that. I'd argue differently. Obviously.

Windcatcger · 29/12/2024 09:41

Doesn’t sound like you want to throw in the towel yet and your DH is willing to work on this.

I think you need to be more open, you are sat there fuming about a phone and movie but DH has no idea. Tell him. Start telling him what you want and dislike, tell him when he does something nice / good. My DH is the same and potentially ND. The only way I made it better was having super clear open communication.

Dont nag him all the time but just set expectations for the evenings. Tonight it would be lovely if we watched a movie together and cuddle. When your mum is here please don’t forget about me and it would be nice if you did x/y. I liked it when you cuddled me after lunch today in the kitchen.

UpHillVerySlowly · 29/12/2024 09:36

Oh lordy you sound like me. So sorry you're in this situation.
I'm older than you and my kids are grown up. All through my mid 30s I felt so lonely my DH just didn't seem to understand affection and fun. (Still doesn't)
Then I made the Big Mistake of an affair. Won't go into details but we got through it but now I feel I'm permanently locked in to the same old situation as I was the one in the wrong.
DH views affection etc as unnecessary and sissy. Though like your DH he is a good man. He's unlikely to change.
I have concentrated my 40s and 50s on my young adult kids and building friendships and hobbies which give me satisfaction but I am still lonely in my heart.

Calmhappyandhealthy · 29/12/2024 09:25

When MIL dies DH won't suddenly adore you instead of her

MIL has taught him how she wants him to be around and with her

He copies what she has told him to do, over the years, to perfection

You could do the same

It'll take ages and you'll probably feel yuk about it .....also does DH have the capacity to adore 2 women at the same time?

Personally I couldn't be with a man who I had to teach how to love me and care for me, to the degree your DH needs

Phineyj · 29/12/2024 09:17

I'm not sure "modelling" the behaviour you want to see works with neurodiversity. Obviously, when you've met one autistic person, you've met one autistic person, but I find it's better to be very direct about what you need and why. Also someone copying behaviour but not understanding what it's for isn't too helpful in an intimate relationship.

DinkyDale · 29/12/2024 09:15

Good post CountFucula, my husband has ADHD, quite significantly, and I agree with the approach

DontGoGran · 29/12/2024 09:12

My DH and MIL were like this, then she died and he realised how messed up their relationship was.

Not saying that offing her is the right way to go 😂 but be does clearly need some distance from his Mum to realise that their relationship just isn't right.

CountFucula · 29/12/2024 09:08

It’s a heady time of year, don’t do anything for at least a couple of months.
It’s unfair to put in ultimatums ‘I’ll give him six months to change’ because he clearly doesn’t have the skill or capacity to do what you need or he would have done it. This is a tantrum territory for you where you risk not getting the outcome you want because you are hurt and pushing him to prove you ‘right’ to leave. You don’t need his permission, it doesn’t need to get worse first. You are an adult and can end the marriage today if you want. So why not? Focus on why you haven’t. The fact that you love him, you want love and to feel loved. That’s not the end of a marriage, it could be the start of something new and better. But you’ll need to coach him, show him what you want like a grown up don’t sit and sulk while he fucks it up even more, it’s hurting you both. If he is watching a film instead of being with you you can say to him, can we watch TV another time I’d love to go for a walk/play a board game/ make a meal/ have a cuddle/have sex etc
Act towards him the way you want him to act to you without keeping score. Act with extreme generosity - he needs to be shown. Then make your decision knowing that you have acted in an adult and loving way not a withdrawal of affection in a game of tit for tat. .

Phineyj · 29/12/2024 09:08

I think that counselling could help - whether you stay together or split, it would be very helpful to understand what's going on in his head better. I think @TheyCantBurnUsAll's advice above is good.

I'm NT married to a probably AuDHD man (child is diagnosed AuDHD). I have to be very direct about what I neec. And that included "counselling or split" at one point.

I wonder, do you think your children are NT? In counselling, we realised it was mostly the stress of trying to parent our child, who had some quite extreme behaviour, that was affecting our relationship.

DinkyDale · 29/12/2024 09:07

JimHalpertsWife · 29/12/2024 09:02

It's his decision not to put any effort into improving things the OP has raised with him though.

OPs husband has been like this the whole of their relationship, only now she's decided she's had enough.
OP doesn't have to stay in a relationship like this, life's too short to be unhappy, so if she wants to get her head together, so she can leave, she does it from the spare room.

Maddy70 · 29/12/2024 09:04

I don't think speaking to his mum everyday is obsessive tbh she's in her 80s.

Also if she lives far away seeing her 5 weeks out of 52 also isn't too ridiculous.

You're hyperfixating on her when actually that isn't the issue. You need more attention
Tell him what you want and how to do it...

Date nights etc
Weekend away