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Husband’s white lie but knows I can’t hack lying

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Pitypartayfor1 · 28/12/2024 22:25

Let me start by saying I know this is trivial but I can’t stand lies. I was in an exceptionally abusive relationship and was brought up with a compulsive liar in my father and so lies trigger me beyond belief. My husband knows and understands this and we are very open and honest with each other.

a few weeks ago he ordered my Christmas card and a present of the same website, the present came but the card didn’t and he emailed the company to say it was showing as delivered on the tracker but it wasn’t here so they sent a replacement and I ended up with 2 of the same Christmas card from him.

it’s my birthday tomorrow and usually he’s very on the ball with cards etc and he said to me oh your card hasn’t arrived. I said did you not just order it with my Christmas card like he usually does and he said yes but it didn’t arrive. I said sure you followed the Christmas card up and he said there was an option to delay delivery (bullshit) and that he panicked and hit that. I knew from his body Language he was lying

admittedly I went very quiet and he asked why I had an attitude. I asked why he lied, it’s not a big deal it’s a birthday card for a non significant birthday so why lie? He responded by getting angry and said I was so annoying and I ruin everything and maintained the card just hadn’t arrived.

i said it’ll be in your order confirmation then and long and behold it wasn’t and he lied. When I got out of the car he thanked me for ruining what was a good night.

he knows it’s not about the card, ffs I’m in my late 20s I don’t care whether I get a card or not, I’m going through a really shit time with some family members right now and my husband is the only person (sad I know) I can rely on and trust and I honestly feel depressed as fuck the night before my birthday because he’s lied to me and he’s pissed off with me.

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buttonousmaximous · 29/12/2024 08:27

I'm with you op why lie? He screwed up just admit it and apologise. And the fact he tried to blame you to deflect his lie. It doesn't matter if it's a small lie it's completely unnecessary.

I lied a lot as a child /young adult. I know now it was fear that lead me to lie. Fear of punishment/consequence.

Was he worried about annoying/hurting you? I'd be interested as to why he chose to lie, amd if it was an instinctive lie then it's likely it's not his first lie.

Daschund1 · 29/12/2024 08:25

Pitypartayfor1 · 29/12/2024 08:03

I’m more annoyed at this stage that he’s annoyed that I called him out on it. He knows about my mental health and my issues with lies. He’s been going around this morning calling me mental and an annoying fuck. I haven’t ruined any surprise or anything by the way, he’s just pissed off that he didn’t order a card, tried to lie about it (i pressed him on it because I knew by his body language he was lying), and got caught out.

That puts a different slant on it. I wouldn't stand for the name calling

Bobthecatt · 29/12/2024 08:23

MinnieBalloon · 29/12/2024 08:19

You’re exhausting to live with, and you should consider yourself incredibly lucky he’s still with you.

Whether you want to be or not, you are controlling.

He is calling her 'mental' & 'an annoying fuck' and lying about trivial stuff - OP is entitled to feel upset.

Asking for honestly doesn't make someone controlling.

LoveRicePudding · 29/12/2024 08:22

Pitypartayfor1 · 28/12/2024 22:54

He knew I wouldn’t have kicked off, it’s a birthday card, I’m not 5. That’s the thing, he’s said since that he knows I wouldn’t have cared and that he was annoyed with himself for messing up so what you’ve said is wrong.

From what I could read, it wasn't the white lie that kicked this off, it was your relentless pursuit of the card and the details around it. He probably knows you and started feeling uncomfortable, hence the white lie.
TBH, this is more of a You problem. You need to sort out your paranoia. Not everybody is after you.He's probably aware of your issues and got scared of being interrogated till he tells the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

TwinklyAmberOrca · 29/12/2024 08:20

@Pitypartayfor1 you sound very intense and controlling and your reaction was way over the top.

You may not like white lies but you need to understand how your obsessive reaction makes others feel as all you have gone on about is ME ME ME with little regard of how it made your OH feel.

Bobthecatt · 29/12/2024 08:20

OP, I understand.

His automatic reaction was to lie about something really stupid, despite knowing how you react to lies.

He cared more about saving face than your feelings.

It's such a dumb thing to lie about too, he could have easily told the truth and it wouldn't have even been anything.

MinnieBalloon · 29/12/2024 08:19

Pitypartayfor1 · 29/12/2024 08:03

I’m more annoyed at this stage that he’s annoyed that I called him out on it. He knows about my mental health and my issues with lies. He’s been going around this morning calling me mental and an annoying fuck. I haven’t ruined any surprise or anything by the way, he’s just pissed off that he didn’t order a card, tried to lie about it (i pressed him on it because I knew by his body language he was lying), and got caught out.

You’re exhausting to live with, and you should consider yourself incredibly lucky he’s still with you.

Whether you want to be or not, you are controlling.

Eviolle · 29/12/2024 08:16

Pitypartayfor1 · 29/12/2024 07:49

I should’ve mentioned I’m currently being assessed for borderline personality disorder. I know I react very very badly to trivial things. It’s floored me. I’ve been woke up this morning feeling so depressed. For anyone who is saying I’m being controlling etc, I’m genuinely not, my head has been royally fucked by people who were meant to love me. You should genuinely be thankful you have normal thinking patterns and reactions. I’m trying to get there but it’s so hard.

You are being controlling. The fact you have a personality disorder doesn't excuse that, you should acknowledging this is your issue and work to fix it not shift the blame to your poor husband who was just trying to spare your feelings and/or not have a huge argument.

Owly11 · 29/12/2024 08:14

People are entitled to lie, what goes on in a person's own head is private and everyone should be allowed to have some privacy even in an intimate relationship. I am sorry but you need to address your issue with lying in therapy. It's perfectly ok to tell a white lie. This was small and inconsequential. It was none of your business how your partner organised your birthday card/present. In fact it was your grilling of your partner that backed him into a corner - you are starting to bring about the very thing you fear with your behaviour.

orangeblosssom · 29/12/2024 08:13

Asking someone to never lie is an unrealistic demand and impossible to achieve.
You're asking for the impossible

Pitypartayfor1 · 29/12/2024 08:10

FatFiatMultiplaWhopper · 29/12/2024 08:09

i pressed him on it because I knew by his body language he was lying

That's bordering on abusive.

I have dealt with enough liars to know when someone is lying. It’s not abusive. I’m actually glad of it now.

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Pitypartayfor1 · 29/12/2024 08:09

crumpet · 29/12/2024 08:05

And your reaction in the heat of the moment was one thing. But you’ve also had time to reflect on how and why he responded, and whether his transgression of your rules, is as bad as you thought in the first instance.

he is working hard from the sounds of things to support you with your mental health issues. Are you working just as hard to help him when he screws up and fails? We are all human and none of us are perfect.

Yes I am actually. He has had something happen recently that I could’ve went to pieces over and when my mental health practitioner and I were chatting I was telling her about it and she asked if it made me have a dip in my mental health. I told her it had the opposite effect because I realised I needed to step up and be a support for my husband rather than me being another thing for him to worry about. I think that’s why I’m maybe a bit hurt too because I genuinely stepped up.

he usually works hard to support me so I don’t know why he would do this. It’s just so trivial to lie about and it’s the fact he kept lying when I knew the truth. He was so adamant, and I knew it wasn’t a mistake or anything, I knew he was just lying.

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FatFiatMultiplaWhopper · 29/12/2024 08:09

i pressed him on it because I knew by his body language he was lying

That's bordering on abusive.

crumpet · 29/12/2024 08:05

Pitypartayfor1 · 29/12/2024 08:01

I understand this from a one off point of view. However, when you’ve been emotionally and mentally gaslit for a good portion of your adult relationship and been told it’s to protect you it becomes exceptionally difficult to decipher what is good intentioned and what isn’t. I know that’s my problem but I also know I laid all of this bare to my husband when we met. I told him I’ll never lie to him because I can’t and that on the face of it it looks like I have my life together (good job, bit of wealth etc) but underneath I have severe and complex mental health issues.

And your reaction in the heat of the moment was one thing. But you’ve also had time to reflect on how and why he responded, and whether his transgression of your rules, is as bad as you thought in the first instance.

he is working hard from the sounds of things to support you with your mental health issues. Are you working just as hard to help him when he screws up and fails? We are all human and none of us are perfect.

Pitypartayfor1 · 29/12/2024 08:03

Daschund1 · 29/12/2024 08:00

I don't think it has to start there and snowball. I never lie to my DC. I've made that promise to them, but with one exception, that is gift giving. If I didn't there'd be no magic at Christmas and surprises on their Birthdays. They know I'll lie through my teeth to make their wishes come true.
You put him on the spot on this occasion and he probably panicked to save your feelings, then compounded the lie. He doesn't sound like a bad guy who tried to hurt you. It must be difficult to live up to your exacting standards.
He's making allowances for you, I think you need to try to empathise with how hard it is to keep to your rules. I think, if you can, you need to try to let this one go. I understand other lies are a complete no no, but also don't know many people that could live with this with no forgiveness for the occasional screw up.

I’m more annoyed at this stage that he’s annoyed that I called him out on it. He knows about my mental health and my issues with lies. He’s been going around this morning calling me mental and an annoying fuck. I haven’t ruined any surprise or anything by the way, he’s just pissed off that he didn’t order a card, tried to lie about it (i pressed him on it because I knew by his body language he was lying), and got caught out.

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Pitypartayfor1 · 29/12/2024 08:01

crumpet · 29/12/2024 07:56

This. It may help if you could also try and put yourself in his shoes.

It doesn’t feel as if he was deliberately trying to be nasty/hurt you. It sounds as if he is generally considerate.

You’ve dumped on him from a great height, for something fairly trivial. I realise you have had bad experiences, but try to think about his motivations and whether his mistake (and we all make mistakes) came from a position of trying to hurt you or in the spur of the moment buy time to do something nice for you.

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I understand this from a one off point of view. However, when you’ve been emotionally and mentally gaslit for a good portion of your adult relationship and been told it’s to protect you it becomes exceptionally difficult to decipher what is good intentioned and what isn’t. I know that’s my problem but I also know I laid all of this bare to my husband when we met. I told him I’ll never lie to him because I can’t and that on the face of it it looks like I have my life together (good job, bit of wealth etc) but underneath I have severe and complex mental health issues.

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Daschund1 · 29/12/2024 08:00

I don't think it has to start there and snowball. I never lie to my DC. I've made that promise to them, but with one exception, that is gift giving. If I didn't there'd be no magic at Christmas and surprises on their Birthdays. They know I'll lie through my teeth to make their wishes come true.
You put him on the spot on this occasion and he probably panicked to save your feelings, then compounded the lie. He doesn't sound like a bad guy who tried to hurt you. It must be difficult to live up to your exacting standards.
He's making allowances for you, I think you need to try to empathise with how hard it is to keep to your rules. I think, if you can, you need to try to let this one go. I understand other lies are a complete no no, but also don't know many people that could live with this with no forgiveness for the occasional screw up.

arcticpandas · 29/12/2024 07:56

Pitypartayfor1 · 29/12/2024 07:49

I should’ve mentioned I’m currently being assessed for borderline personality disorder. I know I react very very badly to trivial things. It’s floored me. I’ve been woke up this morning feeling so depressed. For anyone who is saying I’m being controlling etc, I’m genuinely not, my head has been royally fucked by people who were meant to love me. You should genuinely be thankful you have normal thinking patterns and reactions. I’m trying to get there but it’s so hard.

Dear OP, You came to the wrong place: AIBU. Yes, you are being unreasonable. But you acknowledge that your mental health is what's really wrong here. So even if you are being unreasonable it might feel reasonable from your standpoint. Try to just let go, breathe, tell your man you need a hug and move on. ❤️

crumpet · 29/12/2024 07:56

MerrilyOnhigh · 28/12/2024 23:36

Does it occur to you that he did that not because you would kick off, but because he didn't want to upset you because you might have thought he'd forgotten about your birthday? i.e. He was doing it out of consideration for you? OK, it might have been misplaced, but it's concerning that the only explanation you can contemplate is one that puts him in a bad light.

This. It may help if you could also try and put yourself in his shoes.

It doesn’t feel as if he was deliberately trying to be nasty/hurt you. It sounds as if he is generally considerate.

You’ve dumped on him from a great height, for something fairly trivial. I realise you have had bad experiences, but try to think about his motivations and whether his mistake (and we all make mistakes) came from a position of trying to hurt you or in the spur of the moment buy time to do something nice for you.

OneLemonDog · 29/12/2024 07:54

X-post. Am glad you're still seeking/obtaining support, OP, and hope it helps your peace of mind.

OneLemonDog · 29/12/2024 07:52

"That's Spartacus, over there"

Hercisback1 · 29/12/2024 07:51

You've accepted your thinking patterns are outside the norm. Therefore you know you are wrong to over react to this white lie.

Pitypartayfor1 · 29/12/2024 07:49

I should’ve mentioned I’m currently being assessed for borderline personality disorder. I know I react very very badly to trivial things. It’s floored me. I’ve been woke up this morning feeling so depressed. For anyone who is saying I’m being controlling etc, I’m genuinely not, my head has been royally fucked by people who were meant to love me. You should genuinely be thankful you have normal thinking patterns and reactions. I’m trying to get there but it’s so hard.

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TheCourseOfTheRiverChanged · 29/12/2024 07:08

As much as I've appreciated the conversation about white lies (being a black and white thinker who tends towards rigidly judgemental) I think it might be a bit orthogonal to what's actually troubling @Pitypartayfor1 .
You have your standards, OP, you believe lying is always wrong, white or not. I think that's actually fine, and it's good you know this about yourself.
The alarm bells, for me, are with you blurring the distinctions between your DH and your abusive ex.
Yes, your husband has disappointed you by lying and you're angry with him. But saying his little lie is going to snowball into him becoming a compulsive / controlling / abusive liar is dangerous thinking. It's not true - your husband is not your ex and he's not going to suddenly turn into your ex.
I think this might be one for your psychiatrist to help you with, really keeping the boundary between your ex and what he did to you firmly distinct in your mind from your DH and what he does now.

SeaShellsSanctuary180 · 29/12/2024 07:06

Are you sure you're not telling a teeny little lie about whether you'd be bothered about not getting a card.

Maybe he knows he'd get the quiet treatment over forgetting so thought he'd take his chances

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