To ask why women would be uncomfortable with unisex bathrooms

Men also hide cameras in male toilets BTW. There's a whole gay porn sub genre.

Consensual toilet hookups are also still a thing. Even today when gay relationships are not an issue and gay men have plenty of options for casual hookups, some men still enjoy the seediness and anonymity of toilet sex.

Agree that many men seem to have a toilet fetish in a way that very few women do. I did some very perfunctory searches to inform this post and they are quite open about it.

A man (or anyone really) who wants to assault could do it equally well in a place with a ‘women’ sign on the door… it’s not as if they have a particularly high regard for rules in any case. And before anyone says ‘but you can tell by looking’, there have been several horrific reports of short haired/butch-presenting women being berated in loos for exactly this reason, and that’s not ok either.

I’ve worked in a place with neutral loos and there was never an issue.

My favourite bar in town only had space to put in two small (individual) loos so they decided to make them both neutral - it’s a female-run venue and no one has ever complained.

The BA lounge loos in Heathrow T5 have all been made neutral this year, it has helped no end with queues - previously either the men’s or women’s usually had mega queues (but no rhyme or reason for which it was at any moment), but now supply much more closely matches demand.

So no, I don’t have a problem with it, and in many cases it’s actually better. Many public toilets could do with far more regular cleaning, but this isn’t really a gender thing.

If a man had told him something, would he have needed verification or would he have taken that man’s word?

Males are vastly more likely than females to perpetuate sexual assault. They also have greater physical strength allowing them to physically subdue us. “Single sex” public lavatories give them the access and privacy to do so.

Obviously with unisex loos a man can hide a camera in a cubicle quite easily.

This, among many many other issues.

Last time I looked at the stats there were 14,000 men in prison for sex crimes in England and Wales. But only 120 in womens prisons.

That's the scale in difference in risk between men and women.

That's great, I'm so happy for you.

The best solution I've ever seen was at my university, which had a handful of individual toilet rooms, each with a toilet, sink and hand dryer. All in a row, off a corridor, so not isolated in any way. Completely safe and very private. I always used those even if I was in another building - it was worth the detour!

@FoxtonFoxton please can you read my post at 23.33 and ask if it changes your mind? Can you see the problems?

We have mixed bathrooms at work- they are disgusting. I'm not saying women don't crap at work, but the seat up, pee everywhere, shit explosions- can say they come from the men. And I don't like knowing there is a male in the same toilets. It makes me uncomfortable

Haven't read all the responses, but OP and others need to understand that an apparently increasing number of men have a sexual fetish around being in women's single-sex spaces and some have a peculiar fetish for hearing women urinating and for used sanitary towels and tampons, which they collect. Some men have an obsession around menstruation and pretending they menstruate.

Women, on the whole, don't seem to have these sexual fetishes.

It's men, too, who have used the wonders of modern technology to film women in toilets and changing rooms. I've yet to read of women hiding spy cameras in order to capture images of men naked or peeing. Obviously with unisex loos a man can hide a camera in a cubicle quite easily.

Above all, I don't want to have to clean the seat before I use the loo and I don't want to have to deal with the smell of male urine that results from the spray caused by pee hitting the pan and spreading around a metre. It's very difficult to lean properly and that's why male toilets stink.

I honestly don't know why you have to ask?

When I was a teenager me and a friend went out for lunch she popped to the loo and was gone ages. When she came back she was in tears. A man had been watching her on the loo over the top of the cubicle. She was terrified about coming out in case he was still there. I am always on hyper alert when using loos because of her experience. I wouldn’t feel safe sharing with men.

I don't have a problem IF each stall is fully enclosed.
I will say, having worked in all male or nearly all male environments my whole career, the vast majority of mens toilets are absolutely disgusting. I was lucky to have my own loo at one job which was immaculate and I'd often have men nipping in for a "nice" piss or shit which really annoyed me. I can imagine shared loos being piss sprayed and shit stained unfortunately, from long lived experience.

For all the reasons listed in the many posts about hygiene, safety, vulnerability and dignity of women who have a right to feel safe I agree. I would also say I don’t know any men that are particularly comfortable using the same toilet space as women because they know they could be making them uncomfortable and those men deserve their own dignity, comfort and space too.

Can you complain about men doing this? Women are not supposed to be disadvantaged (lol) by the toilets becoming unisex.

I suspect you are right.
I remember having a conversation with a young nephew a few years ago and asking him how he was enjoying his new secondary school. It seems it was all good apart from the toets which he hated. They were mixed!

I would never use a unisex toilet. Horror stories of cameras being hidden etc I would rather wait and use an all female toilet tbh. There’s a reason that they only ever recruit females for constipation med commercials. It is because men’s toilet habits are generally seen as ‘stomach churning’. Female toilets can equally be unpleasant but imho I think I would take my chances and stay to all female toilets.

@StripyHorse
See my post 23.33

If you had the experiences I, and some other people on this thread, have unfortunately had in ‘floor to ceiling’ toilet cubicles, I expect you would quickly change your mind.

If I was in a cubicle being assaulted or having a medical emergency, I would want to be as visible as possible.

If you read the relationships board, yes there are women dealing with this from husbands and sons. It's generally seen as either total lack of respect or a deliberate act to belittle the wife/mother.

My sister was found dead on her toilet floor.
I am a retired nurse and some of our patients who had survived heart attacks said they had a sudden urge to move their bowels just before it happened

Which country are you in?

DH was in the men's toilets once when another man's face appeared over the top of the cubicle. He shouted at him WTF was he doing and the man said "just seeing if you had any toilet roll"

I've no idea if this man was just insanely stupid or a pervert (I know which one I suspect) but it's always bothered me. I feel sorry for young innocent boys having to share toilets with these sorts of men. The thought of this kind of thing happening in the ladies is terrifying.

It's not just pee all over the seat it's the other bodily fluids men & boys like to share all over them. It's a very well known fact that AGPS literally get their rocks off by being in women's spaces and toilets are extremely sexually exciting to them. There are other revolting behaviours they take part in as well but I can't bring myself to type the words and may be against the guidelines here so 🤐 The info is freely out there anyway because they're really not shy about showing it off, despite claiming to be the most vulnerable group in society.

I don’t understand why there would be any need for mixed toilets? Just why?

"Men who want to go into women only spaces are the reason why women only spaces are necessary."
Sall Grover

On our Christmas do this year me and some female colleagues went to two bars with unisex bathrooms.

Honestly, I really didn't like it at all. Was uncomfortable and most importantly, I felt that if it was quiet and I went into the bathroom at the same time as a lone male, I wouldn't feel comfortable/safe being in a vulnerable position (I.e: semi naked in a stall) especially when it's in a bar where I/he had likely been drinking.