Shared disability toilets with baby changing facilities

I understand what you are saying but many women are disabled through childbirth so it can do. On top of that many people with disabilities have babies. They may need the accessible facilities. I'm concerned by all the suggestions of moving changing facilities OUT or the accessible facility. By all means stick one in the nonaccessible men and women's loos but for the sake of mothers with disabilities please please don't remove them from the accessible facilities.

I ageee. I think a lot of it is to do with that people think babies trump everything.

They don’t.

There are some post(ers) here with serious empathy bypasses. Hope you are ok @MobilityCat .

Agree with you the facilities in the accessible changing room need to include facilities for a parent with disability to be able to change their baby plus the facilities to change a child with disability

Well cooing and chatting usually makes the nappy change quicker not slower - much easier to get them cleaned up and dressed if they are calm rather than angry and fighting you at every step! Sometimes nappy changes can take a while especially if there's been a leak and they need a full outfit change!

Yes they should be separate but that is the fault of the venue, not the parent.

Perhaps her baby had a poo explosion and needed to be changed in to clothes as well as a clean nappy. You can't always hurry up.
DS is autistic, non verbal and still in nappies at 4 and It sometimes takes ages to change him, especially if he doesn't want to co operate. It's not anyone's fault the baby change is in with the disabled toilet.
Ideally it would be separate or in the men and ladies toilet but it very rarely seems to be.
I can see it would be mortifying for you OP but would you be equally annoyed if another disabled person had been using the toilet? It's not the woman's fault she needed to change her babies nappy. YABU to be annoyed at her. YANBU to think baby change and disabled toilets should be separate.

Is there any way you could have used the other toilets?

Do you have adult protection pants for this type of occurrence?

do to access in some places with pram

It’s normally down to space and money
The only business selling food and drink that need to provide toilets

if they start upping the requirements they wouldn’t bother there’d been even less or no toilets at all

I wish they were separate too. I also wish there were more accessible toilets. I am often out with two babies and a double buggy. I have to use the disabled toilet as while I could carry one child into the toilet with me, I can't carry two and sort my trousers. But the reality is that buildings don't want to give up more space than they legally have to for toilet facilities.

What’s a long relaxing nappy change?

YANBU but neither was she. Issue should be with the venue however what sort of venue are we talking about? A large pub then yes they should have more than one disabled toilet. A small cafe with only 1 toilet on the whole premises then no.

I get it OP.
I was stood with DD in her wheelchair for 25 minutes before Christmas outside the only accessible toilet for her which was also shared baby change.
Eventually the attendant knocked (we'd knocked previously and had no reply) and identified herself and asked if all was ok. The reply came "Yes, just feeding the baby".
It was then pointed out that feeding spaces were available and that there was a queue of disabled people waiting outside. The entire family (mum, dad, 2 kids) finally appeared after spending half an hour in there.

Change your kid by all means, but half an hour feeds are not fair.

But where would you have it OP?

Arguably they could pop a baby changing area in both the womens & mens toilets, if space, but there would still need to be a disabled toilet with baby changing facilities because disabled people do still have babies so they would still need that.

Sorry that happened to you that sounds awful.
there needs to be more facilities in general, it’s not the mum fault but I do find it unfair that the only changing facilities is in the disabled toilet, it’s like that in a few of the big stores where I live too. I’m conscious when I’ve taken my baby in there that someone may need it but there’s no space or facilities in the ladies toilets so what do we do?

@fuzzychic

Would it be accessible?

There is no reason for it not to be.

We have 3 Tesco extra stores on our city and each of them has a disabled toilet and a baby change which is large enough to consider access needs.

That's not the point is it though? I'm not disabled, I have a baby, it's hard to be quick and it is bonkers that someone who may need to use the toilet (and only that toilet) has to wait for me to change my baby and go to the loo myself before I come out.

OP YANBU.

(Worse is the able-bodied men who use a disabled loo for a quiet shit)

Just stick a fold down baby change table on the wall in the male and female toilets. Done!

Disabled toilets should not be random so called 'accessible' spaces. Disabled people need them and don't get me started on the lack of disabled toilets with hoists in them.

My youngest is 11, and people used to breastfeed in the disabled toilet... is that still a problem?

People just don't think.

Certainly shouldn’t just be in the women’s toilets! Dads change nappies too!

Unfortunately this is just one of those things due to space constraints.

So what are the baby changing facilities in many “disabled loos” for then?

You're right, places shouldn't combine the accessible toilets with the baby changing facilities. Sadly many do because they're just concerned about providing the absolutely bare minimum and not really bothered about the people who have to use them. I'm astonished anyone would have an issue with the concept that there should be separate spaces for these, i suspect it's people getting defensive because the woman changing her baby hadn't done anything wrong given its not her fault they're combined.

Unfortunate for you, but another disabled person in there could have slowed you down too, how many disabled loos should places have, and how many nappy changes? Each space is another table lost and lost profit and ultimately there needs to be a balance so that they provide what you need but also have enough space for everyone else. Given baby change and disabled loos also need to be on the ground floor for buggies and wheelchairs multiple spaces come at a cost.

I know, right?! Because hanging out in any loo is always fun.

When my children were babies they often ended up covered in poo and needing a full clothing change. Nothing quick about that.