Shared disability toilets with baby changing facilities

Agreed.

Disabled people have the right to have toilets available for them to use, they don't have the right for it to remain empty at all times.

Of course there are people who take the piss and use them because they can and like the space or don't want to queue but I don't believe there are many people in the world who see a disabled person approaching the disabled toilet and think fuck them I'll use it anyway.

How on earth is it derailing when I am actually talking about the topic?

Some great DARVO going on there, trying to shut people down who don't agree with you.

She has a point. If you have incontinence issues, and someone is in the loo, you do have to wait. The loo is not there for a named person... it is there for all.

@AngelAva Great derailing attempt 👍

Lol. I don't care about derailing the thread I'm simply disagreeing with you. What would I gain from that?

I also don't give a shit "pun intended" if you accept you are wrong in accusing me of not knowing what I'm talking about. Because you are. And that's it. It makes no difference to me if you believe that someone who has health issues could possibly understand that they are part of a society where other people need things and that it doesn't all revolve around me and my needs or not.

The point stands. It is not ableist to say that sometimes there will be a queue and you have to wait. If you can't wait, it's a huge risk to be out in public at all and you need to take measures to deal with that. I know how much it sucks to plan your life around toilet access but if that's what you have to do unfortunately that's what you have to do.

As @Gloriia said. They are disabled access toilets. Not immediate access toilets.

@Gloriia Wow, that is cold.

Well personally I'm going to continue advocating for more accessible spaces rather than telling disabled people they will just have to wait.

Disability isn't a niche thing. Its a big chunk of the population. Some places can't be made accessible, so all the more important for modern large buildings like supermarkets to think about the likely users.

To me, they've identified the two most likely groups to need the loo during a supermarket shop and made them share, when they had sevdral able bodied cubicles and I bet there was no queue for the mens

This.

They aren't called 'immediate access toilets' they are called accessible toilets. So whether a disabled person is using the loo or a parent is then a wait will be necessary.

If incontinence is an issue then the op should use the correct continence pads.

Haha. I don't understand and have never experienced it eh?

I have shit myself in public. I have severe endometriosis in my bowel. I understand perfectly well what it feels like. I got a radar key to use the disabled toilets because I often have urgency and the queue for the ladies is agony if I'm desperate and have to wait.

I still understand I need to wait if there is someone else in the disabled toilet. There are other people other than me that need that toilet.

It's not trivial to shit yourself in public, but you can't honestly think the disabled loo should remain empty at all times because someone might have urgency. Other people need that space too. Other disabled people. Babies.

Try again!

@AngelAva No. the point is that Mumsnetters are ableist and think anyone can and should use disabled toilets for any reason, including just because they want to. This is discussed again and again and again on thread after thread. You, like many others, are trivialising and dismissing what OP experienced when I guarantee you wouldn't think it was so trivial if you experienced it yourself. You are only doing this because she is disabled, like all the other commenters doing exactly the same thing (here and on other threads). It is a pervasive issue and MN refuse to do anything about it despite ableism being flagged up to them.

No one is saying the specific mother in question did anything wrong. Claiming that is the point of the argument (that we are saying she did) is intentional derailing from the wider issue. OP herself did not blame her.

If the baby change is in an accessible loo, then you are doing nothing wrong by using it.
Changing a shitty nappy in view and smell range of people trying to enjoy cake... now that is unacceptable.

So If you’re in a cafe and you shouldn’t use the accessible loo where the baby change is in case a disabled person needs to use it, and you shouldn’t quickly change baby in public, where should you do it?

Other people might care though. Some grubby people think it is fine to change their baby in a cafe... in full view of people eating and drinking.

Technically you can change a baby anywhere, they don't care, they are babies

No, the point is no one did anything wrong it's just unfortunate the OP couldn't wait.

She would have had to wait if there was another disabled person using the toilet and babies had to be changed elsewhere too. It's not ableism to point out that in a shared facility in public people have to wait.

@AngelAva Missing the point.

She wasn't prevented from going to the loo. She just had to wait. We all have to wait when there is a queue.

@hazelnutvanillalatte Such as for example the commenter who said that this situation (OP's) doesn't "matter", when we can all be pretty certain that if the commenter was prevented from going to the loo and soiled herself in public, she'd think it mattered, all right,

@hazelnutvanillalatte You can't have read my message very closely if you think my issue is with the specific mother mentioned in the OP. As I said very clearly, what I have a problem with is not that individual person, but people on Mumsnet who resent disabled people and do not acknowledge that disabled toilets exist because of us and for us. They are "accessible" toilets only secondarily, and while I agree that it's not an inappropriate use of space for parents to use them when that is the only place with a changing facility (although it shouldn't be), the entire discourse around it on this site is not only ableist but actively hateful as disabled people keep pointing out on the multiple threads about it.

I know. For the second time I was replying to the message that I quoted in my post...

@hazelnutvanillalatte

If that is inappropriate use of space then that is on the building, not on people who have to use the space as intended.

That really is the whole point OP is making by putting up the thread.

Reading comprehension please. I was responding to the commenter who said people 'couldn't cope' with disabled toilets being for disabled people, when clearly they were not only disabled toilets, they were also the baby change facilities. If that is inappropriate use of space then that is on the building, not on people who have to use the space as intended.

Next time it could be been another disabled person rather than a mother so you'd be in the same predicament.

Obviously space is limited so it makes perfect sense to combine facilities.

I didn't see the post you're referring to but that's not how forums work.

If something is against talk guidelines and the moderators are aware of it, they'll delete it 🤷‍♂️