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To feel like people assume if you're wealthy, successful etc people assume you can't have problems?

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MyLilacGoose · 28/12/2024 12:20

I had a very challenging childhood, NC with parents, suffer from depression for which I take medication for. Most people will respond to this with sympathy and kindness if they don't know anything else.

If people know I'm an attractive multimillionaire who married another attractive multimillionaire? Entitled, detached, you have no real problems etc. They don't always say it to your face but they regularly say it behind your back, and they don't realise they are no less privileged if they compare themselves to those in the developing world i.e. most people.

One of my closest friends is even wealthier but came from a very elite background and had it far worse yet gets even less sympathy because she was born rich and she obviously isn't going to go around explaining the painful details. You can tell it bothers her as well.

AIBU?
Edit: sorry about the poorly worded title.

OP posts:
Bigcat25 · 28/12/2024 17:12

Fluufer · 28/12/2024 16:20

I think you have to choose your audience. OP is unclear which "people" she thinks ought to be more sympathic. Just the poor ones, who she appears to forget have their own problems on top of poverty? Evidently not the even wealthier friend or attractive millionaire husband.
People don't just dish out sympathy randomly do they? Op needs to build relationships with those she has things in common with.

To an extent, yes. But are you saying that You can't discuss the loss of a term baby and never being able to have other kids with someone who has less, or may be poor? Can you only have things in common with people with the same amount of money? Do you really think money eliminates that devestation? This kind of proves op's point, that money is expected to make everything ok.

There are a lot of problems money can fix, and a lot where it's of no use at all.

Superfoodie123 · 28/12/2024 17:11

Your whole post proves why you don't get sympathy. You seem to have no awareness of some of the troubles others around you deal with daily. Feeding yourself and your children having warm water, being able to get out of crappy situations with the help of money. Maybe you should be more grateful for what you have

KneesUnder · 28/12/2024 17:08

MyLilacGoose · 28/12/2024 12:36

Literally every wealthy person knows you experience jealousy/crabs in bucket in the UK.

I heard people say stuff like this about wealthy people all the time when growing up so it doesn't take Einstein to work out people will be saying the same thing about me now and of course I hear thinly veiled jealousy/nastiness quite a bit irl.

This is not my experience at all.

It’s maybe a symptom of your mental troubles that you assume everyone is saying nasty things about you. It’s very unlikely to be the case.

CreationNat1on · 28/12/2024 17:05

I think people assume if you are wealthy and attractive and have those power currencies, you have more resilience tools to combat problems.

That pisses people off.

However as already mentioned, wealth creates problems, paranoia, social isolation. People worrying about bills, don't see that part.

CreationNat1on · 28/12/2024 17:02

I think if you are part of a wealthy power couple, both attractive and rich, you have 2 advantages over most of society.

You have two currencies, that most others don't have.

People will think you live in an ivory tower and try to level you down.

It doesn't matter that you grew up poor, people will try to chip away at you to soothe their own self esteem issues.

Money does not buy happiness. Attractive people can intimidate average looking people. Resentful people will think you won the genetics jackpot, I stead of considering the agency that you exert to maintain a healthy body.

You need to put the same agency in developing resilience and empathy for others. Understanding others people's perspective, triggers and weaknesses will help you to accept their reasons for their actions.

SparklyTurtle · 28/12/2024 16:53

Sushu · 28/12/2024 16:46

The OP didn’t post to say she’s suffering and seeking help for her valid problems. The OP posted because they are stating that rich people don’t get validation and sympathy from the wider population. Most of us have agreed rich people and poor people can suffer in this life. The OP is seeking validation in the wrong places.
If she had posted about her mental health and abusive past, she wouldn’t have had to pass a test on being below a certain income. Anyone can post on here and seek support.

No she's not looking for support.

That's irrelevant to the person I was replying to saying she has no real problems when she clearly does.

Sushu · 28/12/2024 16:46

SparklyTurtle · 28/12/2024 16:29

She's suffering from depression due to childhood abuse and hasn't seen her parents since she was 18.

How is that not a real problem?

The OP didn’t post to say she’s suffering and seeking help for her valid problems. The OP posted because they are stating that rich people don’t get validation and sympathy from the wider population. Most of us have agreed rich people and poor people can suffer in this life. The OP is seeking validation in the wrong places.
If she had posted about her mental health and abusive past, she wouldn’t have had to pass a test on being below a certain income. Anyone can post on here and seek support.

Sushu · 28/12/2024 16:42

BananaSpanner · 28/12/2024 15:53

If the OP is correct why is there a phrase “money can’t buy you happiness”?

Im sure OP had had a tough time I have no reason to doubt her MH issues but she fails to recognise the privilege of her looks and wealth.

Her problems are pretty ordinary-difficult childhood, strained relationship with parents, the advantages life has given her are far from ordinary.

OP- if you need a sympathetic ear, there are plenty of boards on this forum that you could post your issues on and details of your childhood and people would engage and give you that. This wasn’t the way to go about it.

Because money cannot buy happiness but money gives you a number of choices while you’re dealing with sadness, loss, grief, illness, anger and the rest of it. You’re obviously not immune to life when very rich. In my example I mentioned before, a colleague who lost her young child in an accident had to come back to work after her sick pay ran out. She wasn’t “poor” but she’s an average person who needed her wage to pay bills. A very rich person experiencing the same tragic loss won’t be any less devastated. They deserve equal love and empathy for the most horrific event. A rich person, however, be able to choose to take more time off work. They will be able to pay for a cleaner and people to do those every day household tasks that my colleague described as “agony” because she was paralysed by grief but the house needed cleaning and the car needed an MOT etc.

SparklyTurtle · 28/12/2024 16:29

WellMaybe · 28/12/2024 14:49

But the OP isn't posting about any kind of real problem. She's posting to complain that other people may think she doesn't have any. That seems to be what bothers her. And it's entirely trivial. She can't control other people's perception of her, but wants to.

She's suffering from depression due to childhood abuse and hasn't seen her parents since she was 18.

How is that not a real problem?

Boomer55 · 28/12/2024 16:22

It’s easier sobbing in a new Mercedes than a cardboard box. Other than that, most people have stress through life.🤷‍♀️

Fluufer · 28/12/2024 16:20

Bigcat25 · 28/12/2024 15:06

But then you don't have understanding or sympathy bc money. So in that respect it's worse. People have less understanding for you're loss, as your comment shows. Who cares if you can afford an expensive car, it's not a subsitute for having a family. Lonliness is bad for your health.

I think you have to choose your audience. OP is unclear which "people" she thinks ought to be more sympathic. Just the poor ones, who she appears to forget have their own problems on top of poverty? Evidently not the even wealthier friend or attractive millionaire husband.
People don't just dish out sympathy randomly do they? Op needs to build relationships with those she has things in common with.

Strikeoutnow · 28/12/2024 16:02

@trivialMorning that’s very true and very often ignored. I know so many people who have had 500k or so to get on the ladder, move up it, renovate, etc.

BananaSpanner · 28/12/2024 15:53

If the OP is correct why is there a phrase “money can’t buy you happiness”?

Im sure OP had had a tough time I have no reason to doubt her MH issues but she fails to recognise the privilege of her looks and wealth.

Her problems are pretty ordinary-difficult childhood, strained relationship with parents, the advantages life has given her are far from ordinary.

OP- if you need a sympathetic ear, there are plenty of boards on this forum that you could post your issues on and details of your childhood and people would engage and give you that. This wasn’t the way to go about it.

trivialMorning · 28/12/2024 15:52

I was listening to YouTube interview about inhertocacry - and they did say on top of money there a solid family background inheritance - no divorces/blended families tensions to content with that is never really discussed or more nebulous parental/family support.

As Spike Milligan said money give better class of misery - but I think more accurately it gives you more options and reduces many of life stresses.

I'v never heard anyone deny that rich people can have serious problems - but they can buy more support which can mitigate many/some problems.

LePetitMaman · 28/12/2024 15:45

Bigcat25 · 28/12/2024 15:43

I don't think it's any more simplistic than you're response. Anyway, you can't send your kids to private school to meet other rich kids to allow them all to stay rich (not something that sounds very appealing to me) if you were never able to have the family you wanted in the first place, as is the case of the poster's aunt, which this was in response to.

The fact you don't think it's any more simplistic is an issue with your comprehension skills as opposed to the content. There's not much anyone else can do about that.

Bigcat25 · 28/12/2024 15:43

LePetitMaman · 28/12/2024 15:34

That's a really simplistic view.

Pick a happy, healthy family, or an £80k car is pretty dumb. That's not what this is about.

It's:

I had an alcoholic father and all that entails. I have a low paid job, can't afford to move out of the rental trap, will never own a house or leave anything to my children. I have poor teeth because I can't afford decent dentistry. I have a bad back which the NHS isn't interested in. My home is cold because the heating bills are too much. My car has just broken down and my credit card is at it's limit so I'm going to fall behind on my rent for the third month now and my landlord will start proceedings.

Vs.

I had an alcoholic father and all that entails. I have regular private therapy to help with that. I now live in a beautiful large house with no mortgage and my children will have huge inheritances. They attend private school, meeting peers and making connections that will further their lives too. My perfect teeth don't hurt and are maintained by my private dentist, and I don't even need my private doctors for my bad back because I'm using a brilliant chiropractor weekly. My home is cold, because I've turned the heating off while I currently relax with my multi millionaire husband on our fourth holiday this year. My car has broken down, so I've dropped that off and I'm using my other car.

Then pretending that if you removed the part about the alcoholic father from the first person, that the second person's life is "just as hard, in a different way".

I don't think it's any more simplistic than you're response. Anyway, you can't send your kids to private school to meet other rich kids to allow them all to stay rich (not something that sounds very appealing to me) if you were never able to have the family you wanted in the first place, as is the case of the poster's aunt, which this was in response to.

Anyideashowtodealwiththis · 28/12/2024 15:41

MyLilacGoose · 28/12/2024 12:36

Literally every wealthy person knows you experience jealousy/crabs in bucket in the UK.

I heard people say stuff like this about wealthy people all the time when growing up so it doesn't take Einstein to work out people will be saying the same thing about me now and of course I hear thinly veiled jealousy/nastiness quite a bit irl.

I’m not sure this is true. It’s a well worn trope that people in the UK are jealous of wealthy people whereas in the US everyone thinks they’re superhuman.

I actually prefer the UK attitude, which is more a healthy cynicism towards wealthy people, rather than the US where they seem to think wealthy people are amazing and should be running the country ( Trump/Musk for example)

Lots of people who’ve been very driven or have chased financial security have been pretty fucked up/ endured awful childhoods - it’s what has spurred them on.

ive got a wealthy friend who had a lot of adverse childhood experiences and I have a lot of sympathy for her situation ( and I don’t think I’m alone in that).

but I think that she, like anyone who is financially comfortable ( and I’d include myself and most of my friends in that ) is relatively lucky. We are all fortunate that we can spend money on therapy without worrying about paying other bills. My own difficulties have been a lot easier to bear because I’ve had money to chuck at them. I can see that and I’m not a multi millionaire!

Strikeoutnow · 28/12/2024 15:40

I’d rather be rich with problems than poor with them 🤷🏻‍♀️

LePetitMaman · 28/12/2024 15:34

Bigcat25 · 28/12/2024 15:06

But then you don't have understanding or sympathy bc money. So in that respect it's worse. People have less understanding for you're loss, as your comment shows. Who cares if you can afford an expensive car, it's not a subsitute for having a family. Lonliness is bad for your health.

That's a really simplistic view.

Pick a happy, healthy family, or an £80k car is pretty dumb. That's not what this is about.

It's:

I had an alcoholic father and all that entails. I have a low paid job, can't afford to move out of the rental trap, will never own a house or leave anything to my children. I have poor teeth because I can't afford decent dentistry. I have a bad back which the NHS isn't interested in. My home is cold because the heating bills are too much. My car has just broken down and my credit card is at it's limit so I'm going to fall behind on my rent for the third month now and my landlord will start proceedings.

Vs.

I had an alcoholic father and all that entails. I have regular private therapy to help with that. I now live in a beautiful large house with no mortgage and my children will have huge inheritances. They attend private school, meeting peers and making connections that will further their lives too. My perfect teeth don't hurt and are maintained by my private dentist, and I don't even need my private doctors for my bad back because I'm using a brilliant chiropractor weekly. My home is cold, because I've turned the heating off while I currently relax with my multi millionaire husband on our fourth holiday this year. My car has broken down, so I've dropped that off and I'm using my other car.

Then pretending that if you removed the part about the alcoholic father from the first person, that the second person's life is "just as hard, in a different way".

Tinselskirt · 28/12/2024 15:33

hattie43 · 28/12/2024 15:17

Yes there are definitely people who think money can cure all ills and people have no right to complain if they are rich .

They can complain about it, but they should choose their audience carefully.

Tinselskirt · 28/12/2024 15:33

GrouachMacbeth · 28/12/2024 14:45

I think I see what you mean.
Child abuse is child abuse - if a child is abused it does not matter a white if the person abusing them is rich or poor, living on a castle or a sink estate. The child as an under 18 has no money, little voice and is under the control of the adult world.

People tend to have sympathy for the visible disadvantaged - the dirt poor, the child in rags.
Just as a alcoholic can be guzzling Buckfast or cheap cider and it's "poor victim", the person guzzling gin or brandy is just as much an alcoholic but the response is different.

When that child grows up if they're a millionaire they can afford therapy and the best psychiatric care. They can afford home help. They don't have to do their own laundry or life admin. They can cut off their parents. They can move to another continent if they want to.

A poor person does not have those options. They might be in social housing, and therefore have to stay where they are told in unsuitable or unsafe accomodation. They are at the mercy of the NHS for getting any kind of therapy, which might be 6 sessions of counseling after a 3 year wait when actually they might need 12 sessions of trauma therapy at £100 per session which they have as much chance of paying for themselves as they do of flying to the moon. They might have failed their GCSEs, and end up working whatever minimum wage job they can get. They might be unable to move away from the people who abused them, and end up as carers for their elderly parents and never get free of it.

I'm not sure why op is looking to poor people to give her sympathy. Poor people are too busy trying to survive to give much thought to millionaire's personal problems, which can be helped very easily because they have lots and lots of money and time to dedicate to working through it.

Forgive me if my post isn't very sympathetic. I am disabled, have disabled children, earn just over minimum wage, have no family help or childcare and we are only just about making ends meet. Millionaires mental health needs aren't on my radar.

Iloveyoubut · 28/12/2024 15:27

MyLilacGoose · 28/12/2024 12:26

There is no freedom or escape if your mind is completely fucked, which mine is.

It's different to financial poverty but no less awful.

I think though, I’d you can afford therapy and have options available because there is money there to pay for help, it does make a big difference. I’m not saying it’s any easier to deal with issues but there are avenues available to try that aren’t available to people who have not financial means to pay for them. That’s in no way saying that your problems don’t matter, of course they do. If everything gets too much it’s the difference between being able to get away from it all for a weekend and having to resort to a bottle of vodka and there really is a big difference in having those options available. Again, it doesn’t always feel like that when you’re in the midst of it so I really do understand that. It’s just an outside perspective and I in no way think life is blessed just because someone is attractive or rich etc. it’s just that money can buy you help.

Dcbjgfdh · 28/12/2024 15:27

Some people have absolutely nothing - shit childhoods, poor health, unhappy life, and no money.
I think if you’ve had any of the above in the positive - good childhood, good health, happy life and/or rich then you have more than a lot of people.
Especially being rich, it buys you options that poor people just don’t have.

hattie43 · 28/12/2024 15:17

Yes there are definitely people who think money can cure all ills and people have no right to complain if they are rich .

Quitelikeit · 28/12/2024 15:16

We can all have problems

a person suffering is a person suffering regardless of wealth - No?

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