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To feel like people assume if you're wealthy, successful etc people assume you can't have problems?

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MyLilacGoose · 28/12/2024 12:20

I had a very challenging childhood, NC with parents, suffer from depression for which I take medication for. Most people will respond to this with sympathy and kindness if they don't know anything else.

If people know I'm an attractive multimillionaire who married another attractive multimillionaire? Entitled, detached, you have no real problems etc. They don't always say it to your face but they regularly say it behind your back, and they don't realise they are no less privileged if they compare themselves to those in the developing world i.e. most people.

One of my closest friends is even wealthier but came from a very elite background and had it far worse yet gets even less sympathy because she was born rich and she obviously isn't going to go around explaining the painful details. You can tell it bothers her as well.

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Edit: sorry about the poorly worded title.

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changecandles · 30/12/2024 12:59

doodleschnoodle · 29/12/2024 14:15

Yeah I think the thing is that poor people can have all the problems rich people fo plus an additional heap more, due to living in poverty or even just not being able to make life easier for themselves if it costs money to do so. So it's not that rich people don't have problems, it's that poor people have the same problems and being poor on top.

It's like when people minimise getting a six-figure inheritance and say 'well I'd rather they were still here than have all this money', but all the people who lost a loved one and received nothing also wish their loved one were here, they just weren't lucky enough to come out of it with six figures (and I say this as someone who has benefited from a large inheritance).

It's about difficulties on top of difficulties.

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But no one has exactly the same difficulties. Sure in a hypothetical world where 2 people with exactly the same difficulties the rich one will be better off (and deserving of less sympathy according to people on here)

But in the real world no two people are the same. So poor person might have lost their parent whereas rich person has lost their only child. To weirdly limit the amount of sympathy to rich person because they have more money is frankly fucked up.

Even if it was the same event the idea that rich person is grieving less at the death of a parent because they can afford a new coat over poor person is equally fucked up

doodleschnoodle · 29/12/2024 14:15

Yeah I think the thing is that poor people can have all the problems rich people fo plus an additional heap more, due to living in poverty or even just not being able to make life easier for themselves if it costs money to do so. So it's not that rich people don't have problems, it's that poor people have the same problems and being poor on top.

It's like when people minimise getting a six-figure inheritance and say 'well I'd rather they were still here than have all this money', but all the people who lost a loved one and received nothing also wish their loved one were here, they just weren't lucky enough to come out of it with six figures (and I say this as someone who has benefited from a large inheritance).

It's about difficulties on top of difficulties.

growlum · 29/12/2024 14:15

Well in my opinion this is why birds of a feather flock together.

We know fame and fortune don’t buy happiness, look at all the drug and alcohol problems, premature deaths and suicides among the rich and famous. But you can’t expect sympathy from people who don’t share your situation.

Hollywood stars hang together. As do British celebs, the aristocracy, and those who are just fortunate to have lots of money.

You and your friend have found each other and can give each other sympathy. But don’t go expecting it from others from vastly different circumstances. I don’t go moaning to the homeless guy on the street about how annoying my boss is. Know your audience and have some self-awareness.

goingdownfighting · 29/12/2024 14:06

I don't think op is minimising that it's not as bad for those who don't have money, just that she deserves compassion and empathy too. Which she does.

C8H10N4O2 · 29/12/2024 13:37

MyLilacGoose · 28/12/2024 12:26

There is no freedom or escape if your mind is completely fucked, which mine is.

It's different to financial poverty but no less awful.

Trying having those MH problems with no money and being dependent on the near non existant care available on the NHS for MH. If single and unable to work there is a good chance you will also end up homeless and with shocking physical health problems. Either way your life chances and often those of your family will be impaired.

I group up dirt poor. Spent half my childhood in the Brompton's weekly paediatric chest clinics along with half the children in my school due to damp, overcrowded and poor quality housing. As well as being left with impaired physical health and interrupted education many were left with life long mental health problems as a consequence of living in poverty. My parents worked their arses off to get us out of that housing but it took many years and some luck. Many of my friends were less fortunate.

I made money and am now wealthy and I've not had a trouble free life by any means. I know exactly where I'm better off. We were able to provide well for our DC and access help and care when needed which was simply not available without money.

It is a fact that whatever your problems money gives you choices and a degree of control over your life to improve things. You may not be "cured" but the illness is a lot more bearable, not least because you can better insulate your family from the consequences.

Barney16 · 28/12/2024 19:10

There are times in my life where I have had plenty of money and times when I have been on the bones of my arse. Having money is a much better situation. It doesn't mean you don't have problems but essentially you have the resources to buy your way out of most of them. It also removes what is a huge worry for lots and lots of people which is simply not having enough money. Being rich doesn't make people happy but generally it makes people less miserable.

Shubbypubby · 28/12/2024 19:00

Who do you want sympathy from and why are you bothered? Why the need to have your suffering acknowledged? It won't change anything for you.

Wishihadanalgorithm · 28/12/2024 18:47

The amount of money you are talking about it protects people from a lot of hardships but doesn’t cocoon them from every trial in life.

I also think a lot of money can cause its own problems. These problems the ordinary person in the street may not be aware of.

However, would I rather be wealthy with issues or poor with issues? I Know which I would choose.

Strikeoutnow · 28/12/2024 18:45

Even with health though for most people not smoking, exercising 3x a week and maintaining a healthy weight will do far more for you than the best private hospitals/doctors ever could.

I don’t believe that, loads of people do all the right things & get cancer or genetics makes them more susceptible to high blood pressure etc. Having access to quick and good treatment makes a huge difference. Health is very often linked to wealth, why else do some of the poorer areas have much lower life expectancy’s?

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/12/2024 18:42

Haven't RTFT.

Just wanted to say that although there is some truth to the fact that you can buy comfort, security and therapy, trauma is incurable.

And in some cases makes things worse. I used to work in addiction and in order to get help, rock bottom involved running out of one of two things; money or health. Alcoholics who got into debt and sought help were massively better off than the millionaires we saw who carried on drinking until they were half-dead. Look at all the famous people who killed themselves using alcohol and drugs. Because they can buy ALL the alcohol and drugs and pay people to party with them.

Money isn't everything.

blueshoes · 28/12/2024 18:37

CollegeApplications · 28/12/2024 18:16

So how did you go from poverty to being a multimillionaire? Tell me your secret and I'll give you sympathy in return!

Sounds like a good deal 😂

blueshoes · 28/12/2024 18:35

MyLilacGoose · 28/12/2024 12:58

Good health is probably the most important thing there is but a lot of this and I'm sorry about your situation. Even with health though for most people not smoking, exercising 3x a week and maintaining a healthy weight will do far more for you than the best private hospitals/doctors ever could.

OP, you sound incredibly self-absorbed and devoid of self-awareness.

Your answer to @DoAWheelie 's post above was astonishing dismissive and insensitive.

And here you are complaining that people don't take the problems of "multi-millionaire" (right) attractive power couples seriously.

Do you see the irony?

CreationNat1on · 28/12/2024 18:33

How many wealthy children were abused in boarding schools. Wealth doesn't buy happiness.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 28/12/2024 18:31

I'm astonished by the reactions you're getting here, and I'm not wealthy. It's as if people don't understand that abuse and trauma you experience as a child leave permanent damage that can't be undone by throwing money at it. It's obvious to me. I'm a teacher and have taught in comprehensives with very poor children and in private schools with very wealthy children. Would my sympathy or desire to help an abused child be any different based on the financial situation of the child? No, of course not. If I later heard that the poor child had done well for themselves financially, I'd be pleased about that, but I certainly wouldn't assume the damage from the abuse was any less.

blueshoes · 28/12/2024 18:28

Cookiecrumblepie · 28/12/2024 13:15

OP give me your money and I’ll give you my sympathy! The Queen understood when she said “don’t complain, don’t explain”. People don’t give a shit about wealthy people. Buy a handbag and just get on with it, and if it really bothers you, give your money away. Problem solved.

This 💯

Upstartled · 28/12/2024 18:17

Who cares if complete strangers extend sympathy to you though? What's it good for?

CollegeApplications · 28/12/2024 18:16

So how did you go from poverty to being a multimillionaire? Tell me your secret and I'll give you sympathy in return!

Cookiecrumblepie · 28/12/2024 18:14

People only have a limited capacity to empathise and show sympathy. I can’t sympathise with everyone’s troubles it’s just too much. I choose to sympathise with those that have (in my view) less. But it’s all relative. Whining about not getting sympathy when you are wealthy is distasteful. If you have more than most you should be grateful.

Cornettoninja · 28/12/2024 18:06

A multimillionaire at the point of despair to the point of suicide is no less deserving than a single parent on an estate

theoretically no, in practice the single parent will receive support far below what they ‘deserve’.

practically, wealth is a route to safety. If you can afford a private hospital you can manage the multimillionaires safety with as much support as you can buy. It’s not an option for the person without assets.

at some non returnable point the two are completely equal and past the point any intervention, brought or not, can help.

Cornettoninja · 28/12/2024 18:01

Bigcat25 · 28/12/2024 17:26

But she is. Her childhood was broken, dysfunctional, and in poverty. Childhood abuse is a real problem.

You could refer to the Dunedin study for more info if you're curious. Those who grew up in poverty, even if they escape it and do well, have shorter lifespans. Of course, that doesn't mean that no individual can recovery well or have a long life.

OP briefly outlines her past history but the majority of this thread is about how her success now makes support less likely. That’s how she’s framed the entire discussion.

CreationNat1on · 28/12/2024 17:29

Part of the isolation is the wealth leap. If you have a rags to riches life, you are not part of the elite generations of wealth and you are isolated from struggling and average people. You are alienated from a lot of people.

Your social network is more limited. You don't fit into the typical social circles.

You want to prove that you have struggles too, but I guess that's galling for people who have trauma and also have no way out, no spare cash for therapy or self care or entertainment to divert their minds.

Wealth provides choices and options. People without choices feel trapped. They resent your choices.

Everyone has trauma, some more than others. We all have to develop healthy coping skills.

Bigcat25 · 28/12/2024 17:26

WellMaybe · 28/12/2024 14:49

But the OP isn't posting about any kind of real problem. She's posting to complain that other people may think she doesn't have any. That seems to be what bothers her. And it's entirely trivial. She can't control other people's perception of her, but wants to.

But she is. Her childhood was broken, dysfunctional, and in poverty. Childhood abuse is a real problem.

You could refer to the Dunedin study for more info if you're curious. Those who grew up in poverty, even if they escape it and do well, have shorter lifespans. Of course, that doesn't mean that no individual can recovery well or have a long life.

changecandles · 28/12/2024 17:20

spoonfulofsugar1 · 28/12/2024 12:24

You can have problems, but they arent to the extent of worrying about feeding your children or keeping the house warm. The basics of living. Money does mean that many of your problems can be solved?
And its absolutely tone deaf of you and yout friend to be bothered that you don't get sympathy.

There is no measure for mental health though is there. A multimillionaire at the point of despair to the point of suicide is no less deserving than a single parent on an estate.

By your reasoning NO one in the UK deserves any sympathy because there are people living on rubbish tips in the Philippines.

Fluufer · 28/12/2024 17:18

Bigcat25 · 28/12/2024 17:12

To an extent, yes. But are you saying that You can't discuss the loss of a term baby and never being able to have other kids with someone who has less, or may be poor? Can you only have things in common with people with the same amount of money? Do you really think money eliminates that devestation? This kind of proves op's point, that money is expected to make everything ok.

There are a lot of problems money can fix, and a lot where it's of no use at all.

Nobody is saying money makes things ok. OP has depression and a family problems. I'm not seeing much sympathy from her for poorer people with those problems. In fact she seems to think poorer people are only poor. She's just making demands and blaming jealousy rather than reflecting on her own behavior. You have to give to receive.
MN is an anonymous forum, she could have posted about her depression. But she didn't. She decided to complain about being rich and attractive.

YouLookinSusBro · 28/12/2024 17:15

MyLilacGoose · 28/12/2024 12:26

There is no freedom or escape if your mind is completely fucked, which mine is.

It's different to financial poverty but no less awful.

Some of us have both though. I know I'd far rather be fucked and rich than fucked and poor