To think we shouldn't be funding this on the NHS?

Fat people pay tax too believe it or not.

But those issues often have a root starting point in poor mental health. People self medicate with drugs or alchol in order to try to numb their pain. Often when they have been let down by poor NHS mental health care.

Refuse treatment to
Idiots who drives too fast/dangerously?
Anyone on a motorbike?
Someone who plays virtually any sport?

Early smoking and heavy smoking is a significant behaviour associated with adverse childhood experiences. Fuck em eh

I have been to 8 hospitals this year for combination of myself, my children and for work

• Chelsea and Westminster
• Hillingdon
• Stoke Mandeville
• Wexham park
• Great Ormond Street
• Amersham
• High wycombe
• Ealing

All banned smoking on the grounds. All but GOSH had people smoking in the grounds/outside the main entrance. Security people visible and doing absolutely nothing

Living in Central London is a lifestyle choice. Should we stop treating people for respiratory conditions because they choose to live in a hotbed of pollution?

The NHS doesn't treat people depending on moral values. If it did there would be nothing for them to do.

I agree I couldn’t afford to smoke after I lost my job and I stopped that every day. I think it was six quid for a packet of 10 at the time and that was 6 pounds that needed to go on fruit and vegetable for the children so it ended there and then.
I was an addict.
One need out weighed the other. It was as simple as that.

If you pay £80k in tax you can afford private healthcare. I paid far far less in tax, my salary was about half what you paid in tax even, and I’ve recently undergone private surgery.

That's not self inflicted.
Issues that come with smoking are self inflicted
Issues that come with over eating (being fat) are self inflicted
Issues that come with alcohol are self inflicted.

It's interesting that you state you do not believe the NHS should cover those with 'self inflicted' illnesses, yet your list above is highly associated with dopamine transmission, often as a result of neurodiversity, therefore not self inflicted at all and certainly not 'easily avoided.'

I have seen a ward full of diabetic amputations with people smuggling in the cream cakes

Perhaps we should just let all fat people die rather than help them also ?

And the person who didn't do quite enough exercise - we shouldn't treat them

And the person who didn't take enough care stepping off the pavement

And the person who doesn't live exactly as you think they should ?

I completely get where you are coming from but most/all of these are diseases in themselves.

So you are stopping people from getting treatment for getting secondary illnesses from their original disease.

Most well-rounded people do not have diseases such as drug or alcohol dependency or obesity.

These are often diseases which are more common in society’s most vulnerable and something has happened in their lives to make them this way.

So you are essentially saying that people who have come from good homes, with money and have had no traumatic experiences should be treated on the NHS but anyone who isn’t as fortunate, should have to pay for their own treatment.

I do understand your frustration though.
And I support funding that get to the route of the problems like stopping smoking measures and therapy etc.

It is an addiction, but I feel that a system whereby people are given a timeframe that the NHS will reduce funding allows for people to make choices moving forwards.
An addiction is still a persons responsibility to sort out. You don’t tell a Heroin adding that “it’s ok to carry on taking it because it’s an addiction”. Whereas people tend to give smokers a free pass for that very reason.

It is simply my opinion, I know many will disagree but I am just sharing my thoughts.

Long may we continue to have a healthcare system which treats anyone in medical need, without judgement.

And let's not fund treatment for anyone who's a sanctimonious piece of work!

Err tennis related injuries????? entitled much

So people do smoke in hospital grounds, many have said that it’s not a thing at their hospital

You missed the bit about it being highly addictive? Quadruple the price, Pushing people to black market tobacco products which contain even more harmful stuff?

My five year old grandson has better reasoning skills than this. It’s also insulting to those suffering from those ailments through no fault of their own. You sound immature and somewhat sheltered from the realities of life OP.

And they are because, guess what, this is where the majority of their paycheck is going too....

Absolutely ridiculous. Just a silly comment. Either very rich and funded a private hospital or not had kids.

Yes, people smoked in planes in the 80s, but they were in a separate smoking section at the back of the plane - just the back few rows - the majority were in the non smoking area in the middle and front

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 There was NO ‘no smoking’ area. While it was dedicated rows, there was no magical barrier that contained the smoke! It was the one thing I hated about flying as you always left the plane stinking of an ashtray, and that was being used to it as I had two parents who smoked at home while growing up. Being stuck in a plane long haul with it was really something else.

There will be things we do today that we will find out in future are bad for us. Should we be penalised for that? When I went to school, pretty much all teachers smoked in the classroom (who could blame them……). I remember when my cousins were born and we went to visit mum and baby in hospital, ashtrays were standard on bedside tables and most new mums smoked. By the time I starting working in hospitals, the bedside smoking had stopped, and instead every ward area had a smoking room instead. Honestly no idea why I never smoked, but it was normal for people from around 15yo to smoke. In 20 years we will probably find that (insert a number of things here) gives you cancer or whatnot.

I'm with you 100%. But my mum worked on cardiac ICU and HDU as a nurse and she told me, people often needed to quit smoking for a year to have surgery. (Unless emergancy) also alcoholics don't get liver transplants.

But the amount of time and money and rescourses fat people take of the NHS is just disgusting.

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