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To be mad my folks gatecrashed xmas?

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merrychristonabike · 28/12/2024 07:31

Me DH and our kids went to a hotel for xmas - a tradition we adopted to escape the 'where will you be at xmas?' from mum and dad every year. We've invited them and my in-laws before, but it wasn't fun as my parents were clearly put out they were sharing the time with in-laws.
On arrival on xmas eve, my parents were there to 'surprise' us and we were furious. My husband later asked them why they were there and my dad flipped, telling my husband he'd always had his suspicions about him and generally being a dick. Dad didn't wish DH merry Christmas, ignored him at dinner and left without saying goodbye to either of us,
It ruined the 3 night stay. They didn't bring the kids' gifts - I think so we will still have to go see them and I just can't face it. There's a bit of back story to their behaviour, but it's too long for here other than them being overbearing and intense. And I also just want to know AIBU? And what's your advice yo navigate this?

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LoyalShaker · 04/01/2025 18:34

This is such an upsetting situation. At some point, I would suggest you talk to them about how you feel. Perhaps, as others have suggested, you get some counselling first, to unpick why you feel you need to keep the peace and appease them. It means that your needs are not met and that is detrimental to your health. You have every right to spend Christmas without your parents.
They need to respect your boundaries.
I wouldn't rush round to collect presents. Perhaps it's best to let the dust settle.

Aulddeacon · 04/01/2025 18:33

Soontobe60 · 28/12/2024 08:42

Did you actually say to them - ‘hey M+D, we are going to a hotel because we cannot face seeing you over christmas’?
Also, how rude of them to want to give their grandchildren gifts at christmas! (what’s a ‘Santa gift’)

What’s a Santa gift ???????
the ones the children asked Santa to bring the ones the kids will have been excited about.
dear god

Tahlbias · 04/01/2025 18:31

I can imagine that your anxiety is through the roof, with all that is happening with your parents. This Christmas, we went abroad. For very different reasons but it was the best Christmas ever! Maybe this would be something for you, your husband and children? Don't tell your parents though!

ThisCoralBird · 04/01/2025 18:27

YANBU that they “surprised” you is probably because they knew you’d say no. You’re allowed time for you and your family away from them, see how your DH parents reacted by simply respecting your boundaries.
It’s exhausting to have the same conversation with people especially when they refuse to see your pov but hold your ground. You didn’t do anything wrong, they did, and they’re probably embarrassed and angry that they were called out.

Annanirvana · 04/01/2025 18:15

I'd tell them, I love you but your attitude towards my DH is tired and immature and there's always tension and unpleasantness. We will pop and see you for a few hours on Boxing day, if we don't go away. Otherwise, Christmas is for us, that's me and MY family.

Celticgold · 04/01/2025 18:00

If they wanted to spend Christmas with them why not take the children’s gifts. ??? You can’t choose your family & disrespecting her husband is wrong.

Celticgold · 04/01/2025 17:57

Don’t tell them where you are going & ask them to post your children’s gifts if they can’t tell them to keep them as there is obviously an underlying issue. Do what you think is best for your family.

RobW1 · 04/01/2025 17:53

I'm amazed you have been able to get away with not having Christmas with your family/in-laws. For years we were 'summoned' to attend Christmas with my in-laws in London (mine are overseas). This is despite them not wanting to have anything to do with us for the rest of the year and making sure that they were always away over the school summer holidays (usually on a cruise) when we could have done with a little help with our kids (they had no other grandchildren in the UK). This led to annual arguments with my wife (who didn't want to go but felt 'family obligation'). It was all about keeping up appearances with their friends on London (now mostly dead) who did appear have family who wanted to spend Christmas with them, so my in-laws didn't wish to appear estranged. These dreadful tense false festivities were an annual blight on our lives. Bah humbug!

MinnieGirl · 04/01/2025 10:55

Have you met up with your sister yet OP? Do come back and update us.

ErrolTheDragon · 03/01/2025 21:19

@LePetitMaman - you'll be waiting a long time if you think typing @mnhq does anything useful.Confused

Babadookinthewardrobe · 03/01/2025 21:11

LePetitMaman · 02/01/2025 23:37

I don't really want to say on the thread because then they cotton on and can evade being caught out easier. Just awaiting @mnhq further advice on situation.

😂 Course you are.

Joelle84 · 03/01/2025 19:04

Sounds like its time for a different hotel this Christmas but dont tell them which one!

LePetitMaman · 02/01/2025 23:37

JessicafelloffTheKnappett · 02/01/2025 20:00

Ah get you now! A lot of trouble isn't it, why bother????
Also, how do you spot them?

I don't really want to say on the thread because then they cotton on and can evade being caught out easier. Just awaiting @mnhq further advice on situation.

LePetitMaman · 02/01/2025 23:35

Babadookinthewardrobe · 02/01/2025 20:49

Good god. Every time anyone disagrees with you you claim it’s a “sock-puppet account”. Err, no, it’s just someone with a different stance.

Upthread I took issue with you being very spiteful and bitchy to other posters for no apparent reason. Two of your posts were deleted by MN as a result. You informed me that I was a sock
puppet account and you were reporting me to MNHQ. How did that work out for you?

How odd. No one else reacted.

@mnhq

Active13 · 02/01/2025 22:16

JLou08 · 28/12/2024 07:54

I agree with this. Why spoil the day for everyone, you could have had a nice day together and spoke about it afterwards. It's not surprising your dad was put out if DH had a go at him. They may have honestly thought it would be a nice surprise for you all.

No one has to 'be nice' to people who force you to do things you have chosen not to do, even if they are family. It was not one meal it was an entire weekend away.
The grandparents should have respected their adult daughters wishes not completely run over them with their own plans.
I think a lack of boundaries over time has led to what happened. I feel sorry for OP & hope that her parents can learn to respect her wishes.

Nantescalling · 02/01/2025 21:24

StarlightStalagmite · 29/12/2024 18:24

I'm not saying get therapy because of this Christmas.

I'm saying it might be helpful to have therapy to unpack the toxic dynamic that seems to exist within the family. It sounds like this dynamic is long-standing.

I had therapy for a similar issue myself as I have a mother with a diagnosed personality disorder and grew up in a very toxic family dynamic. Therapy helped me to see the parts we all play in the dynamic and how to stop playing our own role and protect our mental health.

The fact that OP sees parents weekly out of duty/fear of their reaction sounds quite enmeshed.

I can't see this toxic dynamic in this OP. I thought it was all about Xmas. If my father called my DH a dick, I would be furious and certainly noit require therapy. My father would thoug, firstly for the insult and further for encroaching on our space.

Babadookinthewardrobe · 02/01/2025 20:49

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

Good god. Every time anyone disagrees with you you claim it’s a “sock-puppet account”. Err, no, it’s just someone with a different stance.

Upthread I took issue with you being very spiteful and bitchy to other posters for no apparent reason. Two of your posts were deleted by MN as a result. You informed me that I was a sock
puppet account and you were reporting me to MNHQ. How did that work out for you?

JessicafelloffTheKnappett · 02/01/2025 20:00

LePetitMaman · 02/01/2025 19:58

Yeah they've stopped that, but they can't prevent people creating different emails log ins and switching accounts to post on the same thread under different names

Ah get you now! A lot of trouble isn't it, why bother????
Also, how do you spot them?

LePetitMaman · 02/01/2025 19:58

JessicafelloffTheKnappett · 02/01/2025 19:40

I thought the inability to name change on a thread was to stop sock-puppeting does it not work?

Yeah they've stopped that, but they can't prevent people creating different emails log ins and switching accounts to post on the same thread under different names

JessicafelloffTheKnappett · 02/01/2025 19:40

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Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

I thought the inability to name change on a thread was to stop sock-puppeting does it not work?

LePetitMaman · 02/01/2025 18:04

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RegulatorsMountUp · 02/01/2025 11:12

merrychristonabike · 28/12/2024 11:19

4 yrs ago we went as something different as we wanted to avoid hosting, again, with children. We loved it and the next year invited both sets of parents to enjoy it with us. It wasn't great. My dad latterly complained it wasn't great as he doesn't find my ILs to be good company or his level of conversation (his words). So last year we did it again to be alone, mum cried every day in the run up to xmas saying it would be the worst ever and we did it again this year - and they also booked without our knowledge in November so they would!'t be left out.

I'm totally missing the point of the thread but I'm so invested in what hotel this is as it sounds marvellous. I've never considered christmas away like this and might fancy it!

LePetitMaman · 01/01/2025 16:03

SixtySomething · 01/01/2025 10:08

Well, that is my honest opinion, as well as being factually accurate, ie that, for example, bitching about a family member to other relatives does not constitute abuse, although it is nasty behaviour.
Actually , all I'm doing, to repeat myself, is point out that OP might benefit from some coping mechanisms and that professional help would be a great thing in a difficult situation like this. I think that's more practical advice than going NC.
This is what I've done myself over the years and found it helpful. Eg I have myself learned to ignore people who shout and I'm sure many others do the sme in real life.

No, what you're doing is cherry picking the odd thing of a choice of 100 that would be classed as shitty behaviour instead of abuse. Then announcing that's what it all is.

Far from factual. Seriously lacking in comprehension, if you genuinely think you are "factually accurate."

SixtySomething · 01/01/2025 15:05

Oncewornballgown · 01/01/2025 12:53

Going NC is not running away from a problem. It is an acceptance of the inability, or unwillingness, of some people to change and an exercising of the right to protect oneself from the, often visceral, impact that they have. If someone is an abuser, toxic bully, or exceptionally difficult person, they aren’t entitled to have everyone around them twist themselves into a pretzel, or spend money and time having therapy, in order to keep the relationship going. It really is okay and can be healthy to say “no more” and withdraw oneself. It often does create some upset for others too but they are not victims of the person going NC! It is collateral damage which is why most people try everything they can before opting for NC. It is far from a painless or easy option.
It is awful to live with the fear of seeing someone’s name come up on a message, the phone ringing, or the knock at the door meaning you are yet again going to have to cope with very upsetting words and behaviour. It is extremely difficult to undo that conditioning, especially if it has been present since childhood. There is no obligation to undertake that work unless you feel you want to and that it would benefit you.
The onus isn’t on the OP to solve all the problems here. She has tried the obvious already. Her parents are behaving like bullies so she shouldn’t be made to feel guilty about taking a firm stand against this.

I never suggested anyone was entitled to do these things. I said the OP might benefit from professional help in learning to manage such behaviour, which is clearly very wrong and OP is suffering!
If she goes NC with her parents, then her sister may go NC with her and further unpleasantness will result and so it goes on ....
I am precisely saying that she could benefit from professional help to equip herself in standing up to them.
It's hard to have a constructive discussion when some people jump straight to name calling ('abuse').

SixtySomething · 01/01/2025 14:57

thepariscrimefiles · 01/01/2025 14:04

Surely 'calling out' is just other posters disagreeing with you? I do think you are minimising OP's parents' behaviour, particularly her father's. Whether you think it meets your definition of abuse or not, surely her dad constantly being 'explosively angry', shouting, flying into a rage and not speaking to OP for weeks is abhorrent and frightening behaviour.

Going NC isn't 'running way' from the problem. It's protecting OP and her family from this behaviour as her parents have demonstrated no capacity or desire to change.

"Calling out" implies social wrong doing, 'disagreeing' implies respect for the other person's opinion and their right to hold their opinion. Check it online if you don't believe me.Using 'calling out' suggests I am actually doing something wrong in expressing my opinion.

I'm not minimising the behaviour. I've said clearly that I think it's really bad and OP needs help to deal with it. IMO she MIGHT be unwittingly pandering to it or easily rolling over, which a therapist could help her with. It's worth a thought.

The problem with NC was shown in a recent thread, now deleted because OP got so upset by it, where OP went NC with her family, who then didn't invite her to her granny's funeral as she was NC. OP was devastated, hence the post. She was savaged on MN with criticisms for going NC. That explains the problem with NC it in a nutshell.

I'm really not saying anything uneasonable.

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