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To never want to visit Qatar?

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RareLilacFinch · 28/12/2024 00:37

The incessant full-page ads I’m getting on MN encouraging me to visit Qatar have got me thinking about why I’d never want to go there.

As a woman, there are obvious reasons - not wanting to be under the “guardianship” of my husband, and the forced gynaecological examinations of a plane full of Australian women being the tip of the iceberg - on top of the hideous human rights abuses of migrant workers, and the general suppression of free speech.

So AIBU - am I missing something?

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Waterocean67 · 28/12/2024 07:21

I forgot that here in the U.K. it rains glitter and roses every day and there’s no embarrassing (fairly recent ) history of colonialism and slavery. It’s great that things like modern day slavery , racism and sexual exploitation, discrimination , abuse of power, poverty and policy issues no longer exist . I hope you’re all also boycotting every single other country with human rights issues - that might not leave you with many places to visit or benefit from , but at least you won’t be a hypocrite

Lavenderfarmcottage · 28/12/2024 07:13

So frustrating

To never want to visit Qatar?
Lavenderfarmcottage · 28/12/2024 07:11

It’s still happening - I can’t get out of the screen.

Truetoself · 28/12/2024 07:08

Currently in Qatar for a short break - warm, luxurious and hospitality second to none. Agree with some of the comments made on here but always feel that UK has its own issues. Btw it's just myself and my DD here and we feel welcome and respected.

colinthedogfromaccounts · 28/12/2024 07:02

ThatKhakiMoose · 28/12/2024 06:55

Stop giving money to countries that commit human-rights violations.

You would have to stop giving money to pretty much every country in the world.

Don't be naive.

ThatKhakiMoose · 28/12/2024 06:55

Alittlebitfluffy · 28/12/2024 00:44

I fly their airline often and have never once wanted to stopover, so yes I agree.

Good airline though!

Stop giving money to countries that commit human-rights violations.

Veronay · 28/12/2024 06:51

Okthenguys · 28/12/2024 06:26

Slight aside: if you’d like to learn more about this, I suggest that in addition to the history of slavery you read up on the legacy of colonialism and the current impact of neo-colonialism. It might help you understand why much of what you wrote is not accurate.

To OP - Regarding the annoying pop-ups I think there’s a way to filter the sorts of ads that come up. I think the ads you see are in part based on data tracking, so what you search for online and what content you engage with most. When I was making a very niche purchase my feeds were suddenly and annoyingly spammed with stuff related to it. Not sure how to change/disable that except to just not engage with the content.

Do you think there are many countries that have never exploited and abused people? Honestly, so naive. All cultures have a history of this, some just happened to be better at it than others. The fact that places like this still do it flagrantly is vile, the only reason these middle Eastern shitscapes get away with it is because they have oil. They'd better develop some sort of civilisation before it runs out, because it won't last forever and the developed world won't be as ignorant of their abuses when ir does..

ThatKhakiMoose · 28/12/2024 06:51

I didn't know about the invasive searches of the Australian women. Right, that's it, I'm never flying with Qatar Airlines.

I don't know why Westerners give their tourist pounds to dodgy regimes anyway. I'll never visit China, for example. A lot of these places would pull their socks up if everyone stopped visiting them. Nothing wrong with Switzerland or the Med.

I won't give my tourist money to China, India, and most Middle Eastern countries. (I'd like to visit Israel, although not at the moment.)

colinthedogfromaccounts · 28/12/2024 06:50

DustyLee123 · 28/12/2024 06:39

I’ve no desire to go to there or Dubai, Morocco, China, Japan etc. Plenty of other lovely places where people do have rights.

What's your beef with Japan?

Zanatdy · 28/12/2024 06:49

I don’t know why these places are so popular. I went to Dubai once as my ex was working overseas and it was a convenient place to meet him. I saw some terrible treatment of local staff ‘or service workers’ as the guy who refused to reverse his car called them, and our hotel driver to reverse all the way down the street as this local guy refused. The driver said he was used to that kind of treatment when I said something.

We saw many other examples of poor treatment of the people who wait on all these rich holiday makers, and once you see it, you can’t unsee it. So I avoid going anywhere like that, there’s an undercurrent there that is not pleasant and many people don’t even notice it because they are too busy enjoying their holiday.

DustyLee123 · 28/12/2024 06:39

I’ve no desire to go to there or Dubai, Morocco, China, Japan etc. Plenty of other lovely places where people do have rights.

Okthenguys · 28/12/2024 06:26

Veronay · 28/12/2024 06:06

Well, pretty much every country in the world has a history of slave labour and exploitation in myriad forms, the difference is most of them stopped some years ago while shitholes like these continue merrily.

Slight aside: if you’d like to learn more about this, I suggest that in addition to the history of slavery you read up on the legacy of colonialism and the current impact of neo-colonialism. It might help you understand why much of what you wrote is not accurate.

To OP - Regarding the annoying pop-ups I think there’s a way to filter the sorts of ads that come up. I think the ads you see are in part based on data tracking, so what you search for online and what content you engage with most. When I was making a very niche purchase my feeds were suddenly and annoyingly spammed with stuff related to it. Not sure how to change/disable that except to just not engage with the content.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 28/12/2024 06:25

Went to Dubai many, many years ago it was a surpise booked by my DP at the time. I was bloody terrified. There wasn’t much there at the time, not like it is now.
We were told very stringently what was expected of us as guests.
So we basically spent a week not going near each other in public. I didn’t mind being covered up, I had no problem with that at all. And I have to say the local people we met were lovely - but of course they were staff in hotels and stores.
The bar and restaurant in our hotel was packed full of female Russian sex workers every night. I was a bit scared of them at first but by the end of the week I had spoken to a few. Let’s just say I felt sad at how they were living, even though a lot of money was involved.
The place had no soul, and I could not wait to get home.
I would never go back especially when there are so many places in the world that have far more history and culture.

HRTQueen · 28/12/2024 06:21

I can’t totally understand your reasoning

you should look into how countries treat the people living there

you are likely to want to add many more to your list but some are often over looked

woolshop · 28/12/2024 06:16

Has anyone worked out how to close ad or get rid of it. And is it only happening on mobile app?

arcticpandas · 28/12/2024 06:13

My DH wanted us to go to Dubai on holiday. I told him that he has just to start comitting sins if he wants to go to hell, no way I'd pay for it.

Veronay · 28/12/2024 06:06

Okthenguys · 28/12/2024 06:04

Every so often a post like this comes up with the overwhelming majority stating they would never visit Dubai or Qatar. Citing everything from weather, women’s rights, human rights, displays of wealth etc. If you don’t like a place don’t visit for whatever reason, no one is forcing you to. FWIW I’ve visited both and they were fine in their own ways, different than where I live but I expect that when I travel to new places. I’ve visited better and worse places. As an aside I’m always impressed that many posters say they’d never visit anywhere built and operating on slave labor - guess what Europe, North America and Australia were “built” on?

Well, pretty much every country in the world has a history of slave labour and exploitation in myriad forms, the difference is most of them stopped some years ago while shitholes like these continue merrily.

Veronay · 28/12/2024 06:04

One of the places in the world I deem a sandy shithole and would never go.

Okthenguys · 28/12/2024 06:04

Every so often a post like this comes up with the overwhelming majority stating they would never visit Dubai or Qatar. Citing everything from weather, women’s rights, human rights, displays of wealth etc. If you don’t like a place don’t visit for whatever reason, no one is forcing you to. FWIW I’ve visited both and they were fine in their own ways, different than where I live but I expect that when I travel to new places. I’ve visited better and worse places. As an aside I’m always impressed that many posters say they’d never visit anywhere built and operating on slave labor - guess what Europe, North America and Australia were “built” on?

PreferMyAnimals · 28/12/2024 06:00

After what happened in Qatar, I have told my DH I will never transit through that whole region. I travel with a teen daughter and will not take her through there after that. I know it was a one off but the idea of that happening to her makes me ragey.

NameChanged0800 · 28/12/2024 05:53

in defence - dc became very ill on plane. qatar was where we were scheduled to change flights. took dc to see a dr at the airport. gave us medicine and good quality care. all free and taken direct from plane to dr in an ambulance. so many countries are problematic. where can you actually say is a place that upholds women's rights and isn't corrupt? not the UK for sure. this ME bashing seems a bit naive and/or western superiority complex. people need to open their eyes and worry about what is going on here first. and no I don't mean free clothes for politicians. it runs a lot deeper.

colinthedogfromaccounts · 28/12/2024 05:43

quixote9 · 28/12/2024 05:41

Years ago I transited through either Doha or Dubai. At that point they were into total sex apartheid. No women anywhere unless completely encased and part of the entourage of a male or two. So no women at all working there. So when I went to the women's room, there was a very embarrassed Indian-looking man cleaning sinks. I just about laughed out loud at the irony of sex apartheid creating a situation where men were in women's toilets. (And, yes, I've since always managed to find another route around the world through less psychotic societies.)

You do know that Doha and Dubai are in different countries?

quixote9 · 28/12/2024 05:41

Years ago I transited through either Doha or Dubai. At that point they were into total sex apartheid. No women anywhere unless completely encased and part of the entourage of a male or two. So no women at all working there. So when I went to the women's room, there was a very embarrassed Indian-looking man cleaning sinks. I just about laughed out loud at the irony of sex apartheid creating a situation where men were in women's toilets. (And, yes, I've since always managed to find another route around the world through less psychotic societies.)

CarmelaBrunella · 28/12/2024 05:40

colinthedogfromaccounts · 28/12/2024 05:34

I would go. It's important to keep and open mind and explore places that might make you uncomfortable. I have spent a lot of time in the middle east and learned a lot (good & bad).

I have spent time in Israel, Egypt, Turkey, Oman, Dubai and Abu Dhabi. Each one is a little different and there is a huge cultural divide - which I hopefully understand a bit better, having actually been there.

Don't fool yourselves on workers rights. The same goes on worldwide. America, whilst not nearly as bad is terrible in lots of other ways. Applying non western values and societal norms when you travel is a very British thing.

Oh, I think other cultures judge as well.

CarmelaBrunella · 28/12/2024 05:39

DonnaBanana · 28/12/2024 01:18

It wouldn’t really bother me. Islam is a sister religion of The Book and any devout Muslim state is little different morally to a devoutly Christian one. Weird exceptions and things happen in every country, you can’t let it scare you off what is otherwise a perfectly fine and civilised country.

Well, personally I'd favour liberal democracies over theocratic dictatorships. Each to their own.