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To never want to visit Qatar?

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RareLilacFinch · 28/12/2024 00:37

The incessant full-page ads I’m getting on MN encouraging me to visit Qatar have got me thinking about why I’d never want to go there.

As a woman, there are obvious reasons - not wanting to be under the “guardianship” of my husband, and the forced gynaecological examinations of a plane full of Australian women being the tip of the iceberg - on top of the hideous human rights abuses of migrant workers, and the general suppression of free speech.

So AIBU - am I missing something?

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pinkstinks · 28/12/2024 08:47

Yep I also have close LGBT+ family members and so there’s a lot of extra things we need to research before going on holiday and where are we safe is one of them.

bevelino · 28/12/2024 08:46

MumsieAus · 28/12/2024 02:00

I think the techs need to look at the Qatar ads. It’s made Mumsnet virtually unusable.

I have an AD blocker and don’t see any advertisements at all.

BusyPoster · 28/12/2024 08:46

I visited last month and thoroughly enjoyed my trip there. I was intrigued by the place and do like to see different cultures even if I don’t agree with them. I went for a week but wished I had gone for a couple of more days as there was a lot to do there.
As a tourist I felt very safe and as I don’t really drink alcohol I liked being somewhere where alcohol was only available in certain hotels.

Why isn't Egypt being singled out as a country not to visit with it’s shocking prevalence of FGM?

Lentilweaver · 28/12/2024 08:45

Egypt was my best trip ever and I would go back in a heartbeat. The history makes it worthwhile.

I have zero desire to go to Switzerland, as pp suggested.

BelgianBeers · 28/12/2024 08:42

There is a push for tourism from the Taliban and shamefully quite a few female influencers have joined in supporting them after funded trips.

BelgianBeers · 28/12/2024 08:41

No it’s hard enough to shop or live vaguely ethically as a consumer in Britain but is dead easy to avoid travelling into ethical and moral disaster areas. I round never go to there or quite a few other countries.

Lentilweaver · 28/12/2024 08:34

Superhansrantowindsor · 28/12/2024 08:13

Any country that bans same sex relationships cannot call itself civilised. I would never go there.

Singapore. Until 2022.

I think the US is up there with countries that treat women and minorities very badly. Plus of course bomb the shit out of other countries.

Doseofdopamine · 28/12/2024 08:33

I find it quite amusing that these companies are trying to persuade us these are suitable holiday locations. I mean apart from the the fact it's fucking roasting and of course the fact that women are treated as owned objects rather than human beings I can't think why we wouldn't all rush there 🤔
They'll be trying to convince us to holiday in Afghanistan soon.

HermioneWeasley · 28/12/2024 08:27

Yes modern slavery exists in the UK. The difference is it isn’t run by the state - it is illegal and considerable resources are committed to combatting it. Companies are required to make a statement every year on how they’re identifying and eliminating it in their supply chains.

anyone who thinks that these countries are remotely comparable with western democracies just because those democracies aren’t perfect are laughably naive.

Waitingforspring81 · 28/12/2024 08:26

I have only been in Egypt and Singapore. I don’t want to go back to Egypt; I went put with some Muslim ladies and the men shouting things a me; probably because I was dressed as a westerner. When I was with the Muslim men they would not say anything.

That was over 20 years ago plus the dirtiness in Cairo put me off. I did go into a Muslim home and it was impeccable inside.

SporesMouldsAndFungus · 28/12/2024 08:23

The level of whataboutery and self justification on this thread is amazing.

muggitymugface · 28/12/2024 08:22

My rule of thumb guide for visiting a country/not visiting a country has 2 basic parts.

  1. Would my children + partners be free to visit/walk around etc. (all gay, 5 white, 1 black)
  2. Would all children I taught be free and welcome to visit. I taught a lot of S asia heritage, Muslim children.

I can also bring up extensions, addendums to these 2 basic rules - treatment of women, minorities, slavery, personal safety, politics - is my presence as a tourist showing support?

This rules out quite a few countries.

Qatar would pass rule 2 - but not rule 1 not any of the other addendums.

So not I’d not be visiting.

Mespher · 28/12/2024 08:13

I would probably get an ad blocker

tunainatin · 28/12/2024 08:13

The issue of needing a husband's signature appears to be more about needing the signature of a wage earner, than about gender, from what I can see. Which makes sense if you're paying for something?

Superhansrantowindsor · 28/12/2024 08:13

Any country that bans same sex relationships cannot call itself civilised. I would never go there.

Mere1 · 28/12/2024 08:02

DonnaBanana · 28/12/2024 01:18

It wouldn’t really bother me. Islam is a sister religion of The Book and any devout Muslim state is little different morally to a devoutly Christian one. Weird exceptions and things happen in every country, you can’t let it scare you off what is otherwise a perfectly fine and civilised country.

I am speechless. You are so wrong.

ARainyNightInSoho · 28/12/2024 08:01

@DustyLee123 Japan ranks higher than the UK in the human rights index. People in Japan also enjoy a better standard of living than here. Why is Japan problematic for you?

Gummybear23 · 28/12/2024 07:59

spoonfulofsugar1 · 28/12/2024 01:30

The moral difference is a fairly good reason to put you off a place. And you aren't likely to undergo a forced gynaecological exam going to Spain or France.

This is the culture not the religion.
It is so easy to make this islam bashing.

ThatKhakiMoose · 28/12/2024 07:54

colinthedogfromaccounts · 28/12/2024 07:02

You would have to stop giving money to pretty much every country in the world.

Don't be naive.

Naive? You think that HR violations in somewhere like Canada are on a par with somewhere like China?

JammySlag · 28/12/2024 07:54

Not a country I’d ever visit, even as stopover on a flight, and wouldn’t use their airline either.

AsTheLightFades · 28/12/2024 07:53

RareLilacFinch · 28/12/2024 00:37

The incessant full-page ads I’m getting on MN encouraging me to visit Qatar have got me thinking about why I’d never want to go there.

As a woman, there are obvious reasons - not wanting to be under the “guardianship” of my husband, and the forced gynaecological examinations of a plane full of Australian women being the tip of the iceberg - on top of the hideous human rights abuses of migrant workers, and the general suppression of free speech.

So AIBU - am I missing something?

Anyone, particulary female, who goes to any of the middle-eastern countries, be they sold as a holiday 'destination' or not (dubai for example), is a hypocrit. Those who beat the drum for equality in the home and workplace, who are on sites such as this, moaning about how they are treated by their OH, how they do all the work, are treated badly at work, who then go to such destinations are worse.
So no, yanbu

BlackChunkyBoots · 28/12/2024 07:52

Haven't seen the ads. But I don't like Qatar or Dubai or much of the ME because of the sports washing, the treatment of immigrant labour and the attitudes towards women. I'm single, on my own, so I don't think it's the place for me. Besides, I'm not that much into shopping nor sunbathing, nor do I ever want to have a jeep safari in the dunes. Dubai, in particular, looks so fake and soulless. Not my type of holiday.

Tinselskirt · 28/12/2024 07:38

Waterocean67 · 28/12/2024 07:21

I forgot that here in the U.K. it rains glitter and roses every day and there’s no embarrassing (fairly recent ) history of colonialism and slavery. It’s great that things like modern day slavery , racism and sexual exploitation, discrimination , abuse of power, poverty and policy issues no longer exist . I hope you’re all also boycotting every single other country with human rights issues - that might not leave you with many places to visit or benefit from , but at least you won’t be a hypocrite

The uk isn't perfect but at least i don't need my husbands permission to open a bank account or get medical treatment.

Lagirl20 · 28/12/2024 07:37

Youngheartsalittletogetherness · 28/12/2024 01:16

I'm sure I watched a documentary about their version of gumtree and you were able to buy and sell domestic staff(they called them servants) they were mostly from the Philippines if I remember correctly and had the most awful lives.

Do you remember the name of the doc? Would love to to watch this

fuzzychic · 28/12/2024 07:23

I think the ads are targeted.