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To never want to visit Qatar?

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RareLilacFinch · 28/12/2024 00:37

The incessant full-page ads I’m getting on MN encouraging me to visit Qatar have got me thinking about why I’d never want to go there.

As a woman, there are obvious reasons - not wanting to be under the “guardianship” of my husband, and the forced gynaecological examinations of a plane full of Australian women being the tip of the iceberg - on top of the hideous human rights abuses of migrant workers, and the general suppression of free speech.

So AIBU - am I missing something?

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Projectmee · 28/12/2024 10:48

Blabadder · 28/12/2024 10:39

I was asked to go for work, all expenses paid, 5 star all the way- and said absolutely NOT in a million years. White, straight, male boss seemed surprised that a gay, not so white, woman thought it would t be the best place to go…

Exactly. People forget that some are targeted more than others.

I don’t know the stats on this but anecdotally it would seem a disproportionate amount of non-white westerners bear the brunt of their inconsistent corrupt justice system.

And if you’re non-white/non-Arab AND you don’t have a western passport - that of course puts you into an even more vulnerable position.

Apparently Pakistanis are treated particularly bad there. I was actually slightly surprised to hear that as I’d have expected some religious solidarity.

Blabadder · 28/12/2024 10:40

TunnocksOrDeath · 28/12/2024 09:48

Oh hello! The Qatari consulate has shown up. Welcome to MN.

Nice PR- bullshit though. As most PR is…

Blabadder · 28/12/2024 10:39

I was asked to go for work, all expenses paid, 5 star all the way- and said absolutely NOT in a million years. White, straight, male boss seemed surprised that a gay, not so white, woman thought it would t be the best place to go…

Bleachbum · 28/12/2024 10:35

I used to work for the Qatar state. I was treated no different to any man I worked alongside.

By all means don’t visit a country you have no interest in but if you live in the UK, don’t boycott going to the country or flying their airline because you don’t want to financially support them. That is futile. You already do financially support them. It is virtually impossible to live in the UK and not touch Qatari investments.

Qatar is one of the largest investors in the UK. They are invested in almost every aspect of the UK.

They own Canary Warf, the UK’s banking and investment district as well as practically half of London. They are significant investors in Heathrow, British Airways, Rolls Royce, and countless other companies. Qatar provides 9% of our energy.

In 2022, Qatar’s investments in the UK were in the region of £40 billion.

Blinky21 · 28/12/2024 10:22

Fly through Dubail regularly, which is enough, I'd never holiday there, or Qatar

SherbetSweeties · 28/12/2024 09:49

Same ive zero desire to visit any mulism/Arab country.

TunnocksOrDeath · 28/12/2024 09:48

DonnaBanana · 28/12/2024 01:18

It wouldn’t really bother me. Islam is a sister religion of The Book and any devout Muslim state is little different morally to a devoutly Christian one. Weird exceptions and things happen in every country, you can’t let it scare you off what is otherwise a perfectly fine and civilised country.

Oh hello! The Qatari consulate has shown up. Welcome to MN.

Mittens67 · 28/12/2024 09:39

Agree and feel the same about Dubai.
All the sheep like wannabes following so called influencers etc. Stupid women without a clue or worse no interest in the misogynistic regimes they are supporting with their tourism.

Wordsmithery · 28/12/2024 09:30

DonnaBanana · 28/12/2024 01:18

It wouldn’t really bother me. Islam is a sister religion of The Book and any devout Muslim state is little different morally to a devoutly Christian one. Weird exceptions and things happen in every country, you can’t let it scare you off what is otherwise a perfectly fine and civilised country.

For a start, you can avoid Qatar AND extreme Christian places.
But the two are not comparable in any case. You cannot in all seriousness describe routine human rights abuses and the application of Sharia law as 'weird exceptions'. They are the normal state of affairs in Qatar and minimising them is another way of condoning them.

Enough4me · 28/12/2024 09:25

If I don't like carrot cake, it doesn't matter if chocolate is now added, or even used to coat it. My reasons still exist.

I use this example to show how some posters want to deny those who have reasons to not visit Qater. It's along the lines of, "well I didn't see it and I felt safe, so you should".

As well as that, we're now getting posters telling people that coconut cake is worse. We were discussing carrot cake!

I know this happens a lot. I'm happy to hear different experiences, but the tone of, 'I'm right, you're wrong' is very patronising.

Porcuporpoise · 28/12/2024 09:18

Although I bet half of you buy crap made in China

Well quite, and it'll be more than half. People are very good at moral outrage and saying they'd never do something they had no intention of doing anyway but ask them to actually do something that would cost them money or inconvenience them and.....

Wordsmithery · 28/12/2024 09:18

Alittlebitfluffy · 28/12/2024 00:44

I fly their airline often and have never once wanted to stopover, so yes I agree.

Good airline though!

Aren't you supporting the country, its values and its economy by using their national airline?

KimberleyClark · 28/12/2024 09:14

Lentilweaver · 28/12/2024 08:48

Why isnt the US being singled out as a country not to visit with its shocking prevalence of women dying in childbirth or being forced to give birth in red states?

Or Thailand, where human rights are contentious and it seems really easy for paedophiles to visit to have sex with children?

cakeorwine · 28/12/2024 09:13

You won't come across many trans people there as it's illegal to be trans - in this article, a trans woman on oestrogen was forced to remove her breast tissue.

World Cup 2022: 'I am very afraid', says Qatari transgender woman - BBC News

Stock image of a person in Qatar

World Cup 2022: 'I am very afraid', says Qatari transgender woman

Shahd says authorities told her to remove breast tissue that grew after she began taking oestrogen.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63783327

jeaux90 · 28/12/2024 09:10

I lived and worked out there for 3 years. Had DD there.

Very bizarre place but mostly tolerant as long as you aren't from Asia basically. The treatment of some of the physical labourers and housemaids could be pretty bad.

It was a weird experience and wouldn't go back there or visit Dubai, Bahrain etc again. I was working so probably had more legal rights than if I wasn't. I had a work permit and could get my own apartment etc when I split with my ex out there, but couldn't leave the country with my Dd without him signing the document.

Although I bet half of you buy crap made in China.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 28/12/2024 09:05

Back in the sixties, the hippies hit the Afghan trail. They went there for the dope.

YourAmplePlumPoster · 28/12/2024 08:57

It's the ads that enable everyone to use this site for free, remember? As for the comment about China, they have their own internal homegrown mass tourism industry of Chinese people. They couldn't care less if Europeans and Americans stay away. I've been three times now and each time they make things more difficult with their visa requirements. I'd recommend Taiwan instead. I certainly have no interest in Dubai, Qatar etc. Far more interesting ME countries to visit.

Lentilweaver · 28/12/2024 08:55

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 28/12/2024 08:53

Probably because it's a thread about Quatar.

I'd join in discussion on those other places and certainly on your last point, I have done enthusiastically in the past.

I think it's moved to ethical travel. Which I find quite a complicated subject and not as easy as people claim it is.

DancefloorAcrobatics · 28/12/2024 08:53

I would not go for many reasons, human rights, environment and modern slavery to name a few.

Historically it's a lot more complicated. Qatar is a very young country having been part of the Ottoman Empire (1550's onwards) and later under a British directorate (1916) before becoming a independent country in the 1970's. And that's before anyone looks into the tribal history of the native population. It's fascinating and can give an understanding to the why of the current situation in the ME.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 28/12/2024 08:53

Sorry for location typo

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 28/12/2024 08:53

Lentilweaver · 28/12/2024 08:48

Why isnt the US being singled out as a country not to visit with its shocking prevalence of women dying in childbirth or being forced to give birth in red states?

Probably because it's a thread about Quatar.

I'd join in discussion on those other places and certainly on your last point, I have done enthusiastically in the past.

tellmewhenthespaceshiplandscoz · 28/12/2024 08:51

BelgianBeers · 28/12/2024 08:42

There is a push for tourism from the Taliban and shamefully quite a few female influencers have joined in supporting them after funded trips.

Crikey Confused do you have a link for this?

Lentilweaver · 28/12/2024 08:48

Why isnt the US being singled out as a country not to visit with its shocking prevalence of women dying in childbirth or being forced to give birth in red states?

Youngheartsalittletogetherness · 28/12/2024 08:47

Lagirl20 · 28/12/2024 07:37

Do you remember the name of the doc? Would love to to watch this

I'm sorry it was a number of years ago I don't recall the name of it.
I do remember it was similar to gumtree advertising services and with a bit of shady wording the advertiser's were able to get round certain laws .The journalist with a bit of digging was able to set up meetings and it becomes clear that the women were changing hands for money.