Unreasonable on dog walk

People are saying that slip leads work as training tools, and many trainers use them. They're right. But that's not the whole story. These tools are aversive, ie they work by causing the dog pain. Why would you choose to do that when there are now other methods that work better, teach the dog how to use his brain instead of just reacting, and build his trust, confidence and willingness to work with you instead of destroying it?
I'm not knocking anyone who used aversives in the past, when we didn't have other options and we didn't know as much as we know now about the fallout. But please research and educate yourself before you choose to use them now.

It's a hangman's noose.

If the dog is too strong for both of you to manage without a flat collar , please please get decent training. ASAP.

{Prong collars and Electric shock collars are equally wanky}

No dog should be needing a noose that cuts off the air supply, or cause pain.

''Popping'' the lead? - never heard of such a thing..The man sounds like a grade A abusive brute.

Think your over reacting you'd not be saying that if your dog was out with you and she does that to a highly aggressive dog get a grip amd apologise to your husband for your overreaction

You can tell a lot about a person by the way they treat animals. He’s sort of proved that theory here. Poor dog.

Those leads are only supposed to be used to gain control in emergency situations, e.g., a dog barking at a fence that has gone over the threshold and cannot be brought back under control with verbal commands or distracted with treats/play.

YABU to use for general walks. They have the potential to cause serious physical harm, especially in the way you are currently using it. Buy a head collar if you cannot train your dog to walk on a harness and seek professional help.

So long as it’s positioned high up under the chin and around her ears and only tightens when popped, it’s a good aid. Your Vet and Trainer friend is quite correct.

You can repeat it all you want, just because you don’t deem a slim lead a training aid does mean it isn’t one. Plenty if expert trainers (who don’t use unkind methods) use them legitimately. I have had large dogs for most of my life. I am now 65. Every one I have easily trained to walk to heal by using a loose lead and collar. That is until my current Weimaraner, who just can’t focus for long enough without a slip lead. Positioned and used correctly, they are a very effective training tool and can be used on an ongoing basis if desired and always used correctly!

OP, YANBU

If your dog has pulled you over have you considered using a halti type head collar or figure 8 lead? Your DH doesn't seem to know how to behave towards dogs or humans.

I’ve just come back to this thread after replying yesterday. I’ve also read the link you posted and it’s making me more and more annoyed that you and your “D” H are clearly inexperienced in using a slip lead and treating a dog this way. There is NO NEED to “correct” a dogs behaviour using a slip lead imo, you’d be as well using a shock collar for goodness sake which is equally as abusive.

If you train a dog properly to walk to heel with kindness from a young age there’s no need for these “aids”. We have working collies and labs who are pets, not one of them has needed “corrected” with slip leads or any other aversive “techniques” and I would never allow any of our dogs to trained with anything other than kindness.

If your dog is pulling you off your feet then it’s you and your “D” H that need more education in owning a dog. Training a dog needs time, kindness and commitment, not aids.

Seriously, some people shouldn’t own animals.

Your husband sounds like a knob! Get rid! And if you can’t or won’t get rid of him, do the kind thing and get the dog neutered and rehomed. Poor dog.

But your dog lowering herself to the ground is normal behaviour — showing she’s submissive, no threat to the other dog. Does your husband not understand this and thought dog walking meant just walking from A to B and back?
Silent treatment is unacceptable and just seems to emphasise his “ my way irl no way” attitude.

It was 25 years ago 😃
I currently have the same breed who wasn't trained with this method, she is awesome 🙂

You shouldn't do it with dogs or horses. It's cruel and unnecessary and soooo outdated as a training method

Worked a treat? Not much a treat for the dogs, really. This is such antiquated BS. Typical of gundog trainers. They are still in the dark ages. Believe it or not there are kind, scientifically proven, modern ways to train dogs these days that don't involve physical punishment. If you wouldn't do it to your kid, you shouldn't do it to your dog.

This.. Is this his normal behaviour?!? The fact the dog is laying down suggests she is a very passive personality, no excuse whatsoever for that type of harsh handling. That's abuse. He would have got a mouthful from me. Apart from anything else, you dont want your daughter to learn that this is a normal way to treat any animal. I wouldn't be letting the dog anywhere near him, let alone allowing him to walk her. And I would be asking myself what I'm doing with an animal abusing bully..

The silent treatment he's now giving you is a huge red flag. I wouldn't be putting up with that shit.
Does he use that tactic often? Does he decide when you've been punished enough, and then act like nothing has happened?

What sort of dog is it? Is it a dangerous breed?

If your husband has to resort to being physical with your dog (pulling on it, yanking it, grabbing it by the collar, using a slip lead, dragging it along, holding it back when it lunges) to control it or gets it attention, you shouldn't have a dog.

Poor dog. Change leads and invest in a trainer to ensure your dog listens to verbal (or signal) commands.

I know, I didn’t advocate that. I don’t know how she’s concluded that. It’s irrational.
My dogs very small and submissive, overly friendly, given a chance she’ll run up to make friends and roll on her back in front of other dogs, but we observe the protocol that if we see a dog on a lead we put her on the lead too.
she’s young still and some walks we do are focused on training and commands
But absolutely she goes out for fun and that includes socialising with other dogs that we know.

Some dogs don’t want to communicate or socialise and the owners know this which is why they don’t like dogs or people randomly coming up to them.

Whatistheworld I do agree with you about training though.

Our trainer drummed it into us to practice practice practice without any distractions.

I spent many a solitary hour in our little cul-de-sac walking up and down and changing direction.
Must have looked deranged at times, but it paid off.

Also to never leave the garden for a walk if he wasn't cooperating.

So as a pup he learnt quite quickly he needed to be calm before we set out on our walk.

Mind you didn't stop him being a dick on the walk, but definitely meant we started in the right mindset.

All comes down to not setting them up to fail, and perseverance

'a harness is the worse thing to use if your dog pulls as they encourage pulling in a big dog.
The best way to stop a dog pulling is to spend hours training it not too! I spent hours inside/garden as a puppy walking up and down at heal'

Respectfully I'd disagree.

We have a Weimaraner who is in a Perfect Fit harness, clipped onto the front.
They are notorious dogs for pulling by their chest and this stops it pretty much immediately.

A slip can work effectively if you and the dog are trained to use it properly, not cruel at all.
Unfortunately many people use slip leads incorrectly.
It didn't suit us but I know many gundog owners who use them without any issue.

The problem is usually with the handler not the dog regardless of what you're using.

a harness is the worse thing to use if your dog pulls as they encourage pulling in a big dog.
The best way to stop a dog pulling is to spend hours training it not too! I spent hours inside/garden as a puppy walking up and down at heal

a slip lead used correctly and in the correct place causes less pain than a pulling on dog on a lead and collar.
Harnesses encourage pulling and in a big dog that is difficult!