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to want to see my Dad without my (awful) stepmum sometimes?

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LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 19:19

Hi all. I'm new here, go gentle!

Around this time of year, I have my annual argument with my stepmother. It was pretty low-key this year: at our annual pre-Christmas get together, she made a few snarky comments; I told her to pipe down after the final snarky comment; and she apologised. (More detail on that later!)

But it's raised a perennial issue: my stepmother and I fundamentally do not get on, and I would really like to see my Dad occasionally without her being there. But this never happens. Around this time every year, following my annual tiff with my stepmum, my sister (42, two kids) and I (40, no kids) have a word with my Dad - just "hey Dad, it would be really nice to hang out together without stepmum being there". After that, we usually have ONE walk together, he's a bit awkward about the whole thing, and then it just goes back to normal, i.e. her always being there.

It's not just that she's always there when we see him, either. Even when we call his mobile, he always puts us on speaker so that she can be involved in the conversation. We hardly ever even get to text privately; he routes all texts through the group family chat, which includes him, her, my sister and I, and my stepsisters.

Dad and stepmum have been married for 20-odd years. He left my mother for her (he was having an affair with her). I'm not particularly arsed about that tbh; mum also had affairs. I'd like to state upfront that I haven't put her into some "Evil Stepmother" trope; I'm happy that he's found someone. It's not the "stepmum" factor; it's specifically about HER, as an individual. We have wildly different values. She comes from Old Money and is, frankly, a massive snob. (My Dad came from nothing, for context, but made pretty good money by working his way up in a company, back when that was a possibility!)

This clash in values tends to be where our arguments stem from. This year, for example, at the annual Christmas get-together:

  • One of the dogs spilt my sister's drink over the table. It's this super-expensive, ornate, carved wooden table with a glass top. Stepmum FREAKED THE FUCK OUT, literally shrieking, talking about how they'd need to get it professionally cleaned etc etc. It was literally a bit of prosecco. My sister was mortified and left soon after.
  • My stepsister's fella (early 30s), an ordinary lower-middle-class bloke from Birmingham, mentioned that his mother isn't much of a wine drinker, she thinks Echo Falls is brilliant. To which, again, stepmother SHRIEKS with laughter. She's literally a millionnaire. Laughing at this ordinary working-class woman who doesn't know about wine. It made me feel physically sick. Bearing in mind, too, that my partner (50f) was also there, and she grew up in care, on the absolute bones of her arse; Echo Falls would've been a distant fucking DREAM.
  • My sister and I gave Dad and stepmum a hamper with loads of posh food in it for Xmas. I wrapped it in cellophane and ribbons and whatnot. I made a joke about how shit I am at wrapping things (context: I'm from South Wales, self-deprecation is endemic to our humour). She shrieks: "Oh I bet you relished the opportunity to skive off work for a bit to wrap it!" I work 60-hour weeks for a human rights organisation. She is an ex-doctor, and (endemic to the profession, in my experience!) therefore thinks she is better than everyone else. (This final comment was when I told her to pipe down, and she apologised, while shrieking.)

I just feel like whenever I'm at her (perfect show-home) house, I'm playing a bit-part in a fantasy M&S advert - with her at the centre. I never feel comfortable there, because if a drink gets spilled or you get too close to some expensive item of homeware, all hell breaks loose. Don't get me wrong: she cooks, she hosts, that's very generous of her. But it's The Stepmum Show, constantly. She takes over the conversation, she's not funny (unforgivably, imo!), she's just incredibly UP herself - and, as I said, a massive snob. The above is the tip of the iceberg, honestly. She literally thinks people who weren't born into inherited wealth are basically lazy and stupid.

She's always been a bit weird with me tbh. E.g. when I was about 20, we had a blazing row about something or other, and she apologised afterwards and told me straight-up that she is intimidated by my intelligence. I mean honestly, wtf?! Even if you FELT it, would you SAY it?! But she does seem majorly insecure, like she had a very good education but was essentially educated above her intelligence because her parents were rich; she seems very uncomfortably with the fact (which I LOVE) that intelligence is pretty equally distributed among the population, and you cannot fucking BUY it, however hard you try.

I'm ranting, sorry!

Everyone who's met her agrees that she's awful, a snob, and wtf is Dad doing with her - but Dad seems, or acts, oblivious. As I said, he's from a very working-class, South Wales background. He never sees his friends anymore, really; they obviously think she's a stuck-up bitch. He is also more or a less a functioning alcoholic at this point. Getting slowly sozzled on posh wine while she runs the Stepmum Show and offends everyone, seemingly obliviously.

One more example of what she's like: a few years back, she and my Dad went on a weekend away for his best mate's 60th. She took one of his childhood friends aside and said: "Do you mind not talking about your childhood memories this weekend? I don't really like hearing about times before [Dad] and I were together."

My sister is a peacekeeper, plus Dad and stepmum do a huge amount to help with their kids (she is not entirely evil - she is very generous in helping with the kids). So she is not one to rock the boat. She also lives very close to them, and he helps her out a lot, sees her a lot, etc. I only live about 20 miles away, mind, but he never comes up here (and when he does, it's always with stepmum).

I'm wondering wtf to do, tbh. I love my Dad and I know he loves me. More than that, we LIKE each other; we get along great. But she just takes over every single interaction and it's really getting on my tits and affecting my relationship with him.

I'm not stupid: I know I'm not gonna change her and he's not gonna leave her. So I'm trying to think what to do that wouldn't just be me ranting. I was thinking of maybe writing him an email (presuming she doesn't check his emails as well as answer his phone, but who knows, honestly). Just explaining how I feel. Especially, explaining that I'm not avoiding HIM (I'm really worried that he thinks I am), that the problem isn't HIM, it's HER (though the problem is also, let's face it, him being a bit fucking useless in a Man way). And just asking if we can spend time together without her. But I don't want to make his life more difficult for him, either. But an email could help because he wouldn't immediately FORGET it (which he has a tendency to do with phone calls, probably because of the whole high-functioning alcoholic thing), and he could read back over it, and tbh I'm better at communicating via writing than in person / on the phone anyway, and he could have some time to process it?

Is this just a losing battle, do I just need to get over it?!

Thanks so much in advance for any advice / shared stories / etc! <3

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Harkinonnowhear · 27/12/2024 20:33

She sounds draining but essentially it sounds like fleabag if youve ever watched it and it is not going to change.

I have very annoying family members I limit my exposure to cope so that is my best suggestion.

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 20:31

Sorry idk what the usual etiquette is here, like whether to reply to every comment etc., but just to say that I am also reading and appreciating the negative comments. I probably am coming cross like a bit of a stroppy dickhead, because I'm venting and pissed off - obviously I am not like this with them in person! - apologies if that's annoying. I do think it's likely that I need to just suck it up and accept the situation. And I really can be very intolerant of people who I deem to be arseholes. It's not a trait I love in myself, but it's one that's hard to shift...

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XWKD · 27/12/2024 20:30

This need to let everyone know how sophisticated she is sounds like she's as common as muck, and is insecure about it.

Spirallingdownwards · 27/12/2024 20:27

You don't like her so you find all these things annoying. If you liked her they either wouldn't bother you or indeed you would find them endearing. Asking your mother how to deal with the OW is never going to go well as you have found out.

I would just accept after 20 years your dad loves his wife and they chose to live and share things together in the way they want to.

Bettergetthebunker · 27/12/2024 20:25

Echo Falls is so bad though

snowyglobe · 27/12/2024 20:24

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 20:07

@Jeregrettebeaucoup Ooh maybe a whistlestop tour of the Valleys! She'd prob tag along while shrieking about how poor everyone is...

Lol sorry (miaow)!

I think the problem with the "do something with Dad that she wouldn't like" idea - while it's a v good idea, and I appreciate any and all suggestions! - is that me and Dad have absolutely nothing in common... We're very different people, he's very much a Man's Man really, into sports and stuff (I'm the black sheep of the family, quite booksy/artsy/politicsy). He would love it if he could help me out with something practical / manly / etc., but I have a butch lesbian girlfriend - don't need anything practical doing, you know?! So there are no shared interest to bond over; we just get along well. We could do a walk together, but she likes walking too (has all the best outdoor gear, obvs) and would be offended at not being invited...

He does go and watch my nephew play football every Sunday without her, maybe I could tag along to that (but I hate football lol) (but maybe that's ok)

Why can’t you compromise / suck it up and watch some sport with him for the sake of spending time together?

Someonelookedatmypostinghistorysoichanged · 27/12/2024 20:23

You are not coming across very well yourself.

snowyglobe · 27/12/2024 20:22

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 27/12/2024 20:02

It's less painful to blame your stepmum than face the fact that your dad doesn't care enough about you to give you some 1:1 time.
Maybe it is time to be blunt with him.

Sorry, but this.

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 20:22

Also sorry for typos, my keyboard is fucked!!

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LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 20:21

Wow this place is a veritable goldmine innit, thank you so much everyone!!! <3

@DaisyChain505 That's very good advice I think, thank you! I am from a family of very volatile, black/white people, so the whole "you can be gonest without it becoming WW3" thing might sounds obvious, but it actually isn't... thanks!!

@RandomMess Also a v good idea! Might ask if he wants to just go to the pub. Though last time we went to the pub we got in big trouble from her for getting drunk together..! Still - I like the "nope, it's just us" idea, thanks! Why explain it, really?! Yes, she goes away for weekends and all sorts with her kids, and Dad doesn't tag along!!

@DreamTheMoors My mum thinks stepmum is jealous of my relationship with my Dad, like the fact that we get on so well and have a really good laugh together (stepmum is not funny, not sure how he copes with that tbh because for all his MANY faults, he is a very good laugh + good company). She does seem jealous and weirdly competitive, I just don't understand that, when it comes to your partner's kids?!?!

@Mamasperspective I LOVE THIS COMMENT SO MUCH!!!!!! Ahhhaha thank you!! I might try that!! I did bite back with the "you wrapped this hamper to get out of working". I actually called her "babes" sarcastically by accident ("babes, I work 60-hours a week...") - whoops, ha. But yeah, rather than stewing, maybe I need to just call out her BS at the actual time!! Thank you for making me laugh!!

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johnyhadasister · 27/12/2024 20:17

This will be just people posting about stories to vent. She had him through an affair. He is smitten and completely sold out to her two decades later, he cannot even muster some bravery to talk alone on the phone...no one can help here.

Megapint · 27/12/2024 20:16

You sound a bit like a stroppy teenager looking to disagree with and find offense in everything she says. Fact is, your dad loves her, and she's not going anywhere. If you want to spend time with your dad you have to accept she is going to be there. What you do is behave like an adult and not bite at everything she says or does.

LadyTiredWinterBottom2 · 27/12/2024 20:12

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 19:55

@LadyTiredWinterBottom2 Ohhh sorry I misunderstood you! Mum thinks Dad is being utterly shit, needs to man up, needs to see my sister and I alone without stepmother, needs to stand up to his wife, needs to take his role as father more seriously, etc. Mum also has a partner of 20-odd years but we nearly always see each other without him there and have proper chats etc. She would never let a partner come between her relationship with her children, basically, and thinks Dad is being a prick for doing so.

Yes l agree, my ex is doing it to our dd.

Has he always been that way? It's very hard for you and your sister. You are now both adults though. Maybe it's worth trying to lean in to it rather than pull away. She may be doing it because she picks up she isn't fully accepted and could be pushed out.

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 20:12

@Zemu That's a very wise comment, thank you! I'm sure you're right. I know nothing is going to change, so what is the point of rocking the boat, really?! I find it really, really difficult to be fake with people, and I really, really love my Dad and want a genuine - not fake - relationship with him. I want to be able to be honest with him and to spend time with him. But having a relationship with him seems to be predicated on NOT being honest with him, and biting my tongue all the time because she's always around spouting some Tory nonsense. And I guess I really struggle with that.

But I'm sure you're right.

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Mamasperspective · 27/12/2024 20:11

I would start getting a little passive aggressive and calling her out in the moment EVERY SINGLE TIME.

Be calm and keep your composure, if she gets irate, let her but keep reiterating your point:

"Stepmother we appreciate the table is expensive but I think you need to step into the other room, compose yourself and regulate your emotions. You are making a spectacle of yourself with your outburst which I wouldn't expect of someone with your upbringing"

"Stepmother, I do not see anything wrong with drinking Echo Falls or anything else that someone chooses to drink. People have different tastes and that's ok. We're not all born into riches. However, to belittle others for their choices is particularly uncouth. Please demonstrate a little more decorum"

"Stepmother, I work a 60 hour week. I appreciate that now you have retired, you have likely forgotten what that feels like so I would appreciate it if you kept such comments to yourself"

If she starts hitting the roof, I would say, "You appear to be losing your cool. I am not shouting at you, nor raising my voice. Maybe you need to take some time out to calm down then we can approach this conversation with a little more class"

When it comes to your dad, for Father's Day, Christmas, Easter, birthdays - book tickets for you and him to go and do something together. If you book them in advance and stepmother suggests coming, you can just say, "Actually I just really want some quality father/daughter time and there are no seats available near where we will be sitting regardless. Maybe you could book yourself in for a spa day with your friends instead"

DreamTheMoors · 27/12/2024 20:11

I’m not a stepmother, but I imagine if I were, I imagine I’d arrange to disappear for awhile so that my husband could spend a few cherished moments alone with his children.
It isn’t rocket surgery. It isn’t brain science.
Is your stepmother afraid you’re gonna talk about her behind her back or something equally as silly?
For all her accomplishments, she seems very insecure. Loud people often are.

RandomMess · 27/12/2024 20:10

Just phone up and arrange to take him to some working class social pub for some Daddy Daughter time.

Be blunt if she tries to tag along, "no it's just us 2" and get into the habit of doing it. Presumably she sees her DC without your Dad tagging along?

DaisyChain505 · 27/12/2024 20:08

You’re never going to change who she is or how she acts so I would just let it go.

tell your dad that you want to spend more time with him alone as father and daughter due to the fact that you clash with stepmum.

It’s ok to admit that you don’t gel well together but it doesn’t need to be world war 3.

if you do go round whilst she’s there, take a deep breath before you enter, don’t take anything to heart and just remind yourself you’ll be leaving in an hour!

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 20:07

@Jeregrettebeaucoup Ooh maybe a whistlestop tour of the Valleys! She'd prob tag along while shrieking about how poor everyone is...

Lol sorry (miaow)!

I think the problem with the "do something with Dad that she wouldn't like" idea - while it's a v good idea, and I appreciate any and all suggestions! - is that me and Dad have absolutely nothing in common... We're very different people, he's very much a Man's Man really, into sports and stuff (I'm the black sheep of the family, quite booksy/artsy/politicsy). He would love it if he could help me out with something practical / manly / etc., but I have a butch lesbian girlfriend - don't need anything practical doing, you know?! So there are no shared interest to bond over; we just get along well. We could do a walk together, but she likes walking too (has all the best outdoor gear, obvs) and would be offended at not being invited...

He does go and watch my nephew play football every Sunday without her, maybe I could tag along to that (but I hate football lol) (but maybe that's ok)

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Blueuggboots · 27/12/2024 20:06

I feel your pain. My dad's partner is a monologuer....and doesn't draw breath, ever!!

I'd LOVE to have a conversation with my dad. But he won't come without her.....

Goody2ShoesAndTheFilthyBeast · 27/12/2024 20:02

It's less painful to blame your stepmum than face the fact that your dad doesn't care enough about you to give you some 1:1 time.
Maybe it is time to be blunt with him.

Zemu · 27/12/2024 20:00

It sounds like you’ve got to the point where everything she does annoys you. The Echo Falls thing was presented as a funny comment, right, and she laughed? She was concerned about furniture being damaged by a spillage. These things all sound pretty minor.

I don’t think there’s anything to be gained by writing an email to your dad about her. You say she does kind and generous things so I wonder whether you could try to notice those things more and cultivate some warmer feelings towards her. Try to release the anger, whatever the source of it is. Its not good for you , either.

If she married your dad, who was from an ordinary background, she can’t be that much of a snob. She can’t help her background, or the way she was raised, any more than you can.

I wonder if you could book something, an activity or tickets to something. to do with your father , to get that one on one time.

Jeregrettebeaucoup · 27/12/2024 19:57

Could you perhaps buy tickets to an event for just the two of you? Something SM wouldn't be interested in?

Or ask him to tell you more about his side of the family tree, take a walk/drive to places he used to live as a child? If it's working class enough DM probably wouldn't want to tag along.

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 19:55

@LadyTiredWinterBottom2 Ohhh sorry I misunderstood you! Mum thinks Dad is being utterly shit, needs to man up, needs to see my sister and I alone without stepmother, needs to stand up to his wife, needs to take his role as father more seriously, etc. Mum also has a partner of 20-odd years but we nearly always see each other without him there and have proper chats etc. She would never let a partner come between her relationship with her children, basically, and thinks Dad is being a prick for doing so.

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LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 19:53

@AutismTimesTwo Thank you so much <3 Tbh just knowing that other people know what I'm on about helps a bit - but I'm sorry that you've had a similar experience, too!

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