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to want to see my Dad without my (awful) stepmum sometimes?

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LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 19:19

Hi all. I'm new here, go gentle!

Around this time of year, I have my annual argument with my stepmother. It was pretty low-key this year: at our annual pre-Christmas get together, she made a few snarky comments; I told her to pipe down after the final snarky comment; and she apologised. (More detail on that later!)

But it's raised a perennial issue: my stepmother and I fundamentally do not get on, and I would really like to see my Dad occasionally without her being there. But this never happens. Around this time every year, following my annual tiff with my stepmum, my sister (42, two kids) and I (40, no kids) have a word with my Dad - just "hey Dad, it would be really nice to hang out together without stepmum being there". After that, we usually have ONE walk together, he's a bit awkward about the whole thing, and then it just goes back to normal, i.e. her always being there.

It's not just that she's always there when we see him, either. Even when we call his mobile, he always puts us on speaker so that she can be involved in the conversation. We hardly ever even get to text privately; he routes all texts through the group family chat, which includes him, her, my sister and I, and my stepsisters.

Dad and stepmum have been married for 20-odd years. He left my mother for her (he was having an affair with her). I'm not particularly arsed about that tbh; mum also had affairs. I'd like to state upfront that I haven't put her into some "Evil Stepmother" trope; I'm happy that he's found someone. It's not the "stepmum" factor; it's specifically about HER, as an individual. We have wildly different values. She comes from Old Money and is, frankly, a massive snob. (My Dad came from nothing, for context, but made pretty good money by working his way up in a company, back when that was a possibility!)

This clash in values tends to be where our arguments stem from. This year, for example, at the annual Christmas get-together:

  • One of the dogs spilt my sister's drink over the table. It's this super-expensive, ornate, carved wooden table with a glass top. Stepmum FREAKED THE FUCK OUT, literally shrieking, talking about how they'd need to get it professionally cleaned etc etc. It was literally a bit of prosecco. My sister was mortified and left soon after.
  • My stepsister's fella (early 30s), an ordinary lower-middle-class bloke from Birmingham, mentioned that his mother isn't much of a wine drinker, she thinks Echo Falls is brilliant. To which, again, stepmother SHRIEKS with laughter. She's literally a millionnaire. Laughing at this ordinary working-class woman who doesn't know about wine. It made me feel physically sick. Bearing in mind, too, that my partner (50f) was also there, and she grew up in care, on the absolute bones of her arse; Echo Falls would've been a distant fucking DREAM.
  • My sister and I gave Dad and stepmum a hamper with loads of posh food in it for Xmas. I wrapped it in cellophane and ribbons and whatnot. I made a joke about how shit I am at wrapping things (context: I'm from South Wales, self-deprecation is endemic to our humour). She shrieks: "Oh I bet you relished the opportunity to skive off work for a bit to wrap it!" I work 60-hour weeks for a human rights organisation. She is an ex-doctor, and (endemic to the profession, in my experience!) therefore thinks she is better than everyone else. (This final comment was when I told her to pipe down, and she apologised, while shrieking.)

I just feel like whenever I'm at her (perfect show-home) house, I'm playing a bit-part in a fantasy M&S advert - with her at the centre. I never feel comfortable there, because if a drink gets spilled or you get too close to some expensive item of homeware, all hell breaks loose. Don't get me wrong: she cooks, she hosts, that's very generous of her. But it's The Stepmum Show, constantly. She takes over the conversation, she's not funny (unforgivably, imo!), she's just incredibly UP herself - and, as I said, a massive snob. The above is the tip of the iceberg, honestly. She literally thinks people who weren't born into inherited wealth are basically lazy and stupid.

She's always been a bit weird with me tbh. E.g. when I was about 20, we had a blazing row about something or other, and she apologised afterwards and told me straight-up that she is intimidated by my intelligence. I mean honestly, wtf?! Even if you FELT it, would you SAY it?! But she does seem majorly insecure, like she had a very good education but was essentially educated above her intelligence because her parents were rich; she seems very uncomfortably with the fact (which I LOVE) that intelligence is pretty equally distributed among the population, and you cannot fucking BUY it, however hard you try.

I'm ranting, sorry!

Everyone who's met her agrees that she's awful, a snob, and wtf is Dad doing with her - but Dad seems, or acts, oblivious. As I said, he's from a very working-class, South Wales background. He never sees his friends anymore, really; they obviously think she's a stuck-up bitch. He is also more or a less a functioning alcoholic at this point. Getting slowly sozzled on posh wine while she runs the Stepmum Show and offends everyone, seemingly obliviously.

One more example of what she's like: a few years back, she and my Dad went on a weekend away for his best mate's 60th. She took one of his childhood friends aside and said: "Do you mind not talking about your childhood memories this weekend? I don't really like hearing about times before [Dad] and I were together."

My sister is a peacekeeper, plus Dad and stepmum do a huge amount to help with their kids (she is not entirely evil - she is very generous in helping with the kids). So she is not one to rock the boat. She also lives very close to them, and he helps her out a lot, sees her a lot, etc. I only live about 20 miles away, mind, but he never comes up here (and when he does, it's always with stepmum).

I'm wondering wtf to do, tbh. I love my Dad and I know he loves me. More than that, we LIKE each other; we get along great. But she just takes over every single interaction and it's really getting on my tits and affecting my relationship with him.

I'm not stupid: I know I'm not gonna change her and he's not gonna leave her. So I'm trying to think what to do that wouldn't just be me ranting. I was thinking of maybe writing him an email (presuming she doesn't check his emails as well as answer his phone, but who knows, honestly). Just explaining how I feel. Especially, explaining that I'm not avoiding HIM (I'm really worried that he thinks I am), that the problem isn't HIM, it's HER (though the problem is also, let's face it, him being a bit fucking useless in a Man way). And just asking if we can spend time together without her. But I don't want to make his life more difficult for him, either. But an email could help because he wouldn't immediately FORGET it (which he has a tendency to do with phone calls, probably because of the whole high-functioning alcoholic thing), and he could read back over it, and tbh I'm better at communicating via writing than in person / on the phone anyway, and he could have some time to process it?

Is this just a losing battle, do I just need to get over it?!

Thanks so much in advance for any advice / shared stories / etc! <3

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DarkandStormyNightie · 27/12/2024 21:57

@LoveIsAVerb I totally understand. I think we've been living the same life! except my dad has been married for 30 years and my SM monologues and is a religious nut! honestly, she joined a Christian cult years ago and comes out with homophobic, end of the world nonsense that would make your jaw drop.

She presents as a lovely woman and then will drop in these awful statements out of nowhere. It was manageable when the kids were young but not so much now they understand what's being said. I don't want them around that sort of talk.

I've had very long talks with my Dad and he nods along but then nothing changes. Although he will get the message occasionally and will come down to see us on his own (she constantly talks over the top of him when she's around). Then it all goes back to the same old. He has to phone me when she's out at church or he's required to put the call on speaker so she can hear what's being said. She lurks in the background and you don't always know she's there until she chips in.

Sometimes he talks about what he'll do when she's gone and he's got plans to sell up and move near us quickly. But I think its talk to be honest.

I've been angry over the years as to how he's been so passive. Like you, I value honest relationships and it feels like we're constantly playing let's pretend we're a happy family. I know she'd like to be a matriarchal figure with all news going through here and is puzzled why I don't want to chat with her or send piictures on whatsapp. I just don't want to.

I've come to the conclusion that nothing will change so I can only manage myself and my family. I know they're puzzled as to why I'm not playing thr game but tbh I've explained it enough over the years, so my dad is choosing not to understand.

You may just have to accept your dad is choosing this situation but remember you also get to choose as well. You don't have to play pretend, he must meet you halfway if he wanta a relationship. So lay out your boundaries and stick to them. Taking back control of your choices will give you more peace of mind.

PullTheBricksDown · 27/12/2024 21:25

It's your dad who is awful. He's the one who can't be bothered to spend time with his kids. She at least shows up.

He does go and watch my nephew play football every Sunday without her, maybe I could tag along to that (but I hate football lol) (but maybe that's ok)

This is the obvious first step. Go to the football. Don't be surprised if he says very little as he's watching the game. But suggest a coffee at the end. Ask him to come and do a job at your house - he doesn't have to know your partner could do it. And see what happens.

Tandora · 27/12/2024 21:22

WanderfulTonight · 27/12/2024 21:16

Do what I do and invite my Dad places that I know my Stepmum will either hate or won't be the least but interested in. I always say to her "would you like to come along to the World War 2 showing of x,y, z or is it not your thing? Or I would have invited you too but I'm not sure you'll enjoy it...

Great idea!

WanderfulTonight · 27/12/2024 21:16

Even if I'm not interested in that thing that we're doing, it means I get my Dad to myself and we go for a coffee/lunch after.

Crikeyalmighty · 27/12/2024 21:16

The fact is OP you just rub each other up the wrong way - she is judgmental of you but to be honest - you are of her- you sound like you have a bit of a chip on your shoulder- ok she's your dads OW, but to be fair it takes two - and he must like her or it wouldn't have lasted- personally I would probably try and maybe go for a coffee with her on your own and take the friction down a level -

WanderfulTonight · 27/12/2024 21:16

Do what I do and invite my Dad places that I know my Stepmum will either hate or won't be the least but interested in. I always say to her "would you like to come along to the World War 2 showing of x,y, z or is it not your thing? Or I would have invited you too but I'm not sure you'll enjoy it...

ExtraOnions · 27/12/2024 21:15

They have been together for 20 years … if your dad was really that bothered about spending time with you one-on-one, he would have done it by now.

You are taking minor issues from SM, and blowing them up, as it’s easier to blame her, rather than blame your Father. The whole thing is on his shoulders.

daisychain01 · 27/12/2024 21:14

Your step mother is clearly not your cup of tea and you have completely different values in life.

that said, you sound like you have a massive chip in your shoulder and rather unpleasant to her. It must be very difficult for her to be able to get through to you.

never the twain shall meet as they say.

unfortunately you'll have to compromise and modify your attitude if you want to maintain any meaningful contact with your dad, because she isn't going away any time soon.

Zombieham · 27/12/2024 21:14

I had a very similar situation with my dad and his wife - my parents separated when I was 16 and from that point on I didn't see my dad without stepmum being there.

Not being able to see one parent without their partner there undeniably changes the relationship you can have with them.

In my case I had to ultimately accept that my dad chose an easier life by avoiding upsetting his wife than prioritising his relationship with me.

It wasn't an easy process but I have a good relationship with my dad, albeit some of which is conducted via email.

I also now get on with his wife which of course makes things a lot easier.

I don't have a huge amount of advice I'm afraid OP, but you're not wrong to find it upsetting and frustrating.

harriethoyle · 27/12/2024 21:11

You sound as judgmental of her as you perceive her to as others. You’ve already identified times she’s not with your dad ie nephews football, when she’s with her DC. Why not concentrate your energies on utilising your time with him then rather than constantly dragging her for really comparatively minor irritants? And your DSis not rocking the boat but bitching whilst taking the benefit of investment into her kids… exactly the kind of hypocrisy you would crucify your stepmother for. Grow up.

SemperIdem · 27/12/2024 21:08

The crux of this issue is your dad. He is happy with things exactly the way they are, if he wasn’t they wouldn’t be as they are.

She sounds at worst like she isn’t your sort of person. You’re most likely not hers either.

Poppyseeds79 · 27/12/2024 21:08

You sound hyper focused on her finances/upbring OP. You said your dad has also done well for himself money wise (you seem chuffed about the dragging himself up by his boot strap bit). But fuming about the fact she's wealthy (being born with a silver spoon in her gob)...

Except you also state she is a retired doctor? Which will have paid her well, but she'll definitely have had to work for it vs handed it.

If you don't like the woman that's perfectly fine. But there's no need to go around kicking shit in her face to make yourself feel better about her being rich.

Suck it up and go to the footy matches with your dad. He obviously enjoys those and you'd get solo time with him.

TrollTheAncientYuletideCarol · 27/12/2024 21:04

Your Dad likes it like this. Sad but true. Emails will be pointless, he'll either share it with her or just ignore it. He doesn't want to talk emotionally to you on a one to one. I don't know why so many men are like this.

ChiliFiend · 27/12/2024 21:01

I think rather than simply asking to see him more without her, you have to be far more proactive - buy tickets for two for something you'd like to do with him, and then say "I've got tickets for two to x, would you like to be my plus one?" You will also have to do things that include her too, because otherwise she'll pick up on it and that doesn't sound like it's worth it. But if you just generally express you preference to him, nothing will change.

Owly11 · 27/12/2024 20:59

You really don't like her, do you? Poor woman. I hope she stands up to you one day because I think that will help the situation enormously.

andfinallyhereweare · 27/12/2024 20:59

@LoveIsAVerb I’m in a similar position although I see my dad a lot without her (no affair my mum passed away). The new partner says all sorts of mad/mean/weird things to all of us and relies on the fact that she thinks I won’t go straight to my dad and say hey so and so just said this- why? What does it mean? And that’s exactly what I do each time and it works as dad is then as outraged as I am… I think sometimes they say awful things on the hope they will get away with it. It’s a lot less frequent now she doesn’t get away with it. Most recent was Christmas Day, I went straight to my dad and he was horrified. Just call her out straight away, you’ve done nothing wrong.

Soontobe60 · 27/12/2024 20:58

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 19:29

@LadyTiredWinterBottom2 Mum thinks I should tell stepmum exactly what I think of her and be honest with Dad. I love my mother, but she is not one for subtlety, has painted their marriage as absolutely perfect in retrospect (all I remember is them fucking hating each other lol), and absolutely despises my stepmother for "taking him away". She also loves drama... so it's hard to talk to her about it and expect anywhere near a reasonable response tbh!

I’d put money on your SM knowing exactly what you think of her!
You sound like an inverted snob BTW. If your DF wanted to see you on your own do you not think he’d have made an effort?

Namechangenoidea · 27/12/2024 20:50

From the examples you’ve given I don’t think she’s done anything wrong.

I think you should try spending time one on one with her. Everyone has good and bad qualities and right now you are only seeing the bad. The more time you spend with her, developing a bond between you both I think would be beneficial in the long run to you and your fathers relationship. I know it sounds crazy but I honestly believe that’s the answer. Like she’s not going anywhere so wouldn’t it be great if you actually liked her.

DelphiniumBlue · 27/12/2024 20:45

You've already asked your Dad for 1:1 time, and he's still not facilitating it. He could arrange to see you on the weekends she's off doing stuff with her family
( you said she does go away without him) but yet it's not happening.

You say you haven't got any interests in common, but that it might work getting him to come over and do some DIY for you, but ..{not quite clear why not, butch lesbian GF something to do with it?} The point is not for him to necessarily do urgent DIY but to spend time at yours, surely you can find something?

Anyway, neither of you seem prepared to do the actual arranging of an activity or event. Either you take the bull by the horns and start arranging specific events, or accept the fact that he is not going to be proactive on this and resign yourself to only seeing him with SM.
My dad died many years ago, but I never saw him without my SM until they split up a few months before he died, at which point I realised he was looking to me (21) to sort his life for him. So I do get that some men are not prepared to put themselves out to arrange stuff, and I do sympathise, but I am a bit cynical about your father's role in all this. He is aware that you want to see him alone and he still hasn't made this possible even though he could. If you want to change things, you'll have to do it yourself. Sorry.

SoundOfTheUnderground1 · 27/12/2024 20:45

Your dad is 100% to blame. You realize that he is perfectly capable of doing all the things you have asked for, he just doesn't want to.

From personal experience, I know this is hard to accept, but he doesn't love you in the same way that you love him

He's made it very clear, he loves her and will always put her needs before yours. I suspect he treated your mum the same way.

You see him as some sort of victim, you infantilize him because emotionally it's easier than holding him accountable for his shitty behavior towards you, when you clearly adore him.

I'm sorry

WildFlowerBees · 27/12/2024 20:43

She might be your step mum but she's also a human albeit an irritating one. Instead of going through your dad have a conversation with her. Tell her that you'd like to have some time with your dad don't be mean about it but speak up for yourself. Doesn't matter who she is and it doesn't have to be nasty but I would make some time to speak with her personally about how you feel in her company.

Superhotpoet · 27/12/2024 20:42

You seem to have identified quite a few opportunities for time together yourself , your nephew’s football matches sound perfect and if you know in advance when your stepmother will be away with her daughters then you can keep your dad company very easily and naturally. Would your partner be on board with keeping an area of practical competence quiet and letting your dad come and do a few jobs for you?

ItsCalledAConversation · 27/12/2024 20:37

You say your mum ‘absolutely despises my stepmother for "taking him away".’

So do you. So much that you fail to see how your beloved dad has instigated, enabled and is perfectly happily ensconced in this situation with you SM, regardless of how it makes you or your sister feel.

Id recommend counselling to unpick this. Your SM isn’t going to change. Sounds like you will need to.

LoveIsAVerb · 27/12/2024 20:35

Hmm I wonder if there's something also about the fact that, parent or not, I honestly find it quite strange that someone would NEVER socialise without their partner?! I have one other friend who's like that, and I find that quite irritating, too. I mean I like her partner, it's just that I like to spend time with her alone sometimes, too - we are very old friends, her partner is quite new, etc. Just... does everyone have to be invited to every party?! I would never tag along every single time my partner hung out with her friends, and she wouldn't do that to me?! Is it a gay/straight thing, idk?! (Probably not, most lesbians are joined at the hip tbf...)

And I do worry about Dad in this regard, too, because over the years I've noticed him becoming just a bit fucking USELESS without her, honestly. Socially, I mean. I think this is a man thing, though?! Like outsource all your relationship/social needs to your woman, then get increasingly useless at humaning?! Why?!

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RandomMess · 27/12/2024 20:33

So she does go away with her DC without your Dad so you can "just is like you have Mum and X time without Dad".

Simples.

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