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What was she thinking?! TW Racist Memorabilia

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CleaningWoes · 27/12/2024 19:17

My partner's sister thought it appropriate to gift these to my 12 year old daughter for Christmas. What on earth was she thinking?? I'm horrified as is my partner. Our daughter had no clue what they were. I'm scared to even bin them in case they somehow fall out and up in the street. WTAF

What was she thinking?! TW Racist Memorabilia
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ARealitycheck · 27/12/2024 20:37

You can go down the route of destroying anything that some people find offensive. My personal feelings are that you increase interest in things when you ban them. IMO far better to display but be able to explain the negative connotations of them.

Look at advertising items from the 80's and back. A massive amount would be considered sexist and mysoginistic. The tennents lager with the lager lovelies on them. The trays and artwork are very collectable.

And no Cactii I am not thick as pigshit. I'm an adult able to differentiate between a doll and a real person living today.

LaChatMadame · 27/12/2024 20:36

Just an observation. I am much older. I had one of these when I was a little girl, may be about 2-3 years old. It was a soft toy, which I called “Golly”. It was common for children to have them then. Interestingly, back then I didn’t realise he was supposed to be a human being even, let alone a black person. I think I assumed he was some kind of animal. I loved him dearly, though, I remember that and I was devastated when l lost him when me and mum were out somewhere. He must have fallen out of my pushchair as I had him with me when we set off but he disappeared at some point during the journey. I remember my mum retracing her steps looking for him, with me bawling away in my pushchair but she couldn’t find him and we had to go back home without him.

Obviously I’m not saying it’s right and would never dream of buying one for a child today but I just wanted to share my memory. Times change!

hby9628 · 27/12/2024 20:36

This is random. I went on hols in 2019 & we stopped in a small village past Whitby & they had these for sale. I couldn't believe it!
Just put them in a carrier bag & dispose of them.

Starlightstarbright4 · 27/12/2024 20:34

i had a hand knitted one as a child in the 70’s it was just a toy to me.. however i cannot imagine in this day and age anyone thinks this is ok or acceptable gift to give anyone

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 27/12/2024 20:34

ARealitycheck · 27/12/2024 19:36

It's a collectable doll nothing more. Poor taste in some circles and not really a child gift. People (including Black) collect them and they can be valuable. Check before throwing away. Sell them to somebody with an interest and buy something suitable for your daughter with the money.

What black people collect these? Lol

They are horrific. I don't have them in my house.

nonbinaryfinery · 27/12/2024 20:33

What are they made out of? Are they breakable?

If they're breakable, I'd smash and bin them. That way you know a wrongun won't rescue and sell them.

In my mum's village, some idiot was selling a soft toy version of one of those, and she had it in the fucking WINDOW. I'm happy to say the shop is now permenantly closed.

Gatehouse77 · 27/12/2024 20:31

I’d return them with a brief note saying why they are inappropriate - both personally and culturally. And with no apology.

Cactiiii · 27/12/2024 20:28

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OneLemonDog · 27/12/2024 20:28

I think they're plaily and obviously racist but that doesn't seem to be the view of most British people - in a 2018 YouGov poll, only 20% thought they were racist.

It's quite possible your SIL is genuinely ignorant of the controversy and perhaps thought she was passing on a harmless heirloom. I'd return them as politely as possible (e.g., "you may not be aware but they are, at best, controversial and we do not feel comfortable having them in the house"). She might look into it and feel genuinely embarrassed.

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skippy67 · 27/12/2024 20:19

ARealitycheck · 27/12/2024 19:36

It's a collectable doll nothing more. Poor taste in some circles and not really a child gift. People (including Black) collect them and they can be valuable. Check before throwing away. Sell them to somebody with an interest and buy something suitable for your daughter with the money.

Er, nope.

Hskatkat · 27/12/2024 20:10

CleaningWoes · 27/12/2024 20:10

I honestly think it's the former. Clueless....

Regardless. They need to be told.

CleaningWoes · 27/12/2024 20:10

rubiconartist · 27/12/2024 20:09

Even if it's really awkward you or your partner need to say something. Either she's fucking stupid and needs to know or she knows what they are and needs to be told it's not ok.

I honestly think it's the former. Clueless....

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rubiconartist · 27/12/2024 20:09

Even if it's really awkward you or your partner need to say something. Either she's fucking stupid and needs to know or she knows what they are and needs to be told it's not ok.

CleaningWoes · 27/12/2024 20:07

Hskatkat · 27/12/2024 19:59

@CleaningWoes

Your partner needs to have a word then.
Family WhatsApp group, see what the rest of the family think?!
I would because it's such an inappropriate "gift"
Ppl are weird but this is extra

There isn't a family WhatsApp group. Although his sister is only in her 60's she's a bit of a fuddy duddy. I'm not even sure she has WhatsApp. She's one of those that doesn't keep her phone switched on. I don't think it's a smart phone. They are the only people who call our landline. Them and telemarketers. I don't even get up if it rings as it will be one or the other. I don't even have her phone number I have that little to do with them. The other sister is even worse. My partner is the only half sensible one of the three 😆

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CountFucula · 27/12/2024 20:03

Just to say that NOTHING brings out the racists of Mumsnet like a chat about Gollyw*gs. Already some apologists creeping in. I’d delete this thread OP

This.
Call sil and ask her what is going on

CountFucula · 27/12/2024 20:03

Just to say that NOTHING brings out the racists of Mumsnet like a chat about Gollyw*gs. Already some apologists creeping in. I’d delete this thread OP

BobbyBiscuits · 27/12/2024 20:03

Gawd. Gross. I'd be handing them straight back. They're too dodgy to give to a charity shop etc.

You need to tell them straight that it's racist and unacceptable as a gift to anyone.

Plus they're creepy and hideous and look like they've got mould or something? Not that any 'golly' product is in any way pleasant or necessary.

I knew a girl who insisted on wearing the badges of them to work. This was maybe 10 years ago, in a major city. The office was majority POC and she was a supervisor.
I was like, why? She just said, 'oh, they're historical. Retro.'

Yeah. ok. She didn't last long in that workplace. Thankfully.

Doitrightnow · 27/12/2024 20:00

I'd give them back if I didn't want them.
I wouldn't throw them away. They can be valuable and historically interesting.

I actually read an article recently about a black lady who was making and selling gollywogs, I suppose to reclaim them or something.

ghostyslovesheets · 27/12/2024 20:00

PersonIrresponsible · 27/12/2024 19:40

Gift them to The Slave Museum, Liverpool. I had something similar and they were happy to take the offending items off my hands.

Yes my mum donated an entire jazz band to them - collected in the early 70’s then up in the loft late 70’s when she realised how awful they were - we moved house in the 80’s and they took them

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CleaningWoes · 27/12/2024 20:00

Whoarethoseguys · 27/12/2024 19:58

I think they are poor taste full stop not just in some circles. I wouldn't feel comfortable selling them, although I know some people still collect them it doesn't make them any less racist.

I will definitely not be selling them that's for sure.

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GhoulWithADragonTattoo · 27/12/2024 19:59

The Slavery Museum in Liverpool say they are accepting donations on their website which would be an excellent thing to do with them.

Hskatkat · 27/12/2024 19:59

@CleaningWoes

Your partner needs to have a word then.
Family WhatsApp group, see what the rest of the family think?!
I would because it's such an inappropriate "gift"
Ppl are weird but this is extra

CleaningWoes · 27/12/2024 19:58

MagicalTimes99 · 27/12/2024 19:54

I'm black. I know and am related to a lot of black people. I can categorically say that the majority of black people do not collect or approve of these awful things. There will always be outliers, but it doesn't justify the caricaturing of an entire race of people. The racial slur 'wg' came from these dolls. Look up the Enid Blyton book 'The Three G***gs' and look at their names. If you do a bit of research you will soon learn that they are more than just collectible dolls. OP I would bin immediately.

I can't imagine any of the black people I know having a collection of these either. They are truly awful things.

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