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To use the kids Christmas money to get me through January?

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darkmorning · 27/12/2024 07:15

In a way I don’t know why I’m asking as I don’t have a choice really, but if the overall consensus is absolutely not I suppose I can use a credit card or something.

PIL gave both children £50 for their savings accounts. I’d have to put the cash in my bank account and transfer to their savings accounts: plan is to do this after I’ve been paid in January. Should I? Or is this just horrible?

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Dahlia1234 · 27/12/2024 10:19

I don't see the issue if you can guarantee you'll pay it back. I've been in the position you're in now when my kids were small, borrowed some Christmas money from them, paid it back on payday, job done.

Dahliasrule · 27/12/2024 10:18

I am sorry, but I don’t see the problem with this. I have to admit that in the 70s, when the children were young, DH and I, on occasion, had to use DCs present money to feed the family. (No food banks then). They have had it back several times over! Deposits for both to buy houses, etc. I don’t feel guilty. We weren’t spending it on ourselves.

comedia24 · 27/12/2024 10:17

Definitely @TakeMeDancing nobody talks enough about pensions - everyone is going to be old and unable to work one day.

Lilactimes · 27/12/2024 10:16

I would use the money to top up your income - personally would use it for food and items the kids really need that you are short of.
its a tough time money wise.
pay it off when you can - it’s being put to good use now to help them.
Hope 2025 is a good year.

natwalesrug · 27/12/2024 10:13

Absolutely OP .As long as the children get it back at some stage ,which will happen eventually and before they need it then I cannot see a problem. HNRTFT so not sure what their ages are .

TakeMeDancing · 27/12/2024 10:12

LividBauble · 27/12/2024 10:08

I mean he also tithes 10% to the church and is a republican, but like all critical thinkers I take what I like and leave the rest!

His plan is solid, once you’ve anglicised it.

Agreed; he has some valid points, but I wouldn’t recommend that anyone blindly follow his advice.

Porcuporpoise · 27/12/2024 10:10

Shrinkingrose · 27/12/2024 07:20

Are you sure you will,pay back, as things must be very tough for you to consider doing this for these small sums. So won’t the same issue arise in Feb?

December is a uniquely expensive month for most people tbf.

LividBauble · 27/12/2024 10:08

TakeMeDancing · 27/12/2024 10:04

Dave Ramsey needs to be followed with a grain of salt….he advises against putting into employer-matched pension funds until AFTER all debt is paid. That’s insanity—it’s free money. Whatever I put into my pension, my employer matches it x2…if I put in 1%, they put in 2%; my 2% is matched with 4%….it maxes out at my 6% and their 12%…that’s 18% of my salary in total, of which 12% isn’t coming from me. 12% of free money year on year. I would be stupid not to take that 12%, but that’s exactly what Dave wants people in debt to do.

I mean he also tithes 10% to the church and is a republican, but like all critical thinkers I take what I like and leave the rest!

His plan is solid, once you’ve anglicised it.

WhoopsNow · 27/12/2024 10:08

@darkmorning I think you should do what you need to do. I dont consider it "stealing". I imagine like most parents you use all your money to the benefit of your children. You provide everything for them and make sacrifices yourself so they don't go without. You aren't going and treating yourself to something you're putting food in you cupboard and fuel in the car. Pay the money back when you can but don't beat yourself up over it.

BlueMum16 · 27/12/2024 10:05

darkmorning · 27/12/2024 09:12

Thanks all. I have skimmed the last page and I will come back to it.

Would I tell PIL what I’m doing? I wouldn’t but because they are nice people and would be upset, insist on giving me money when they can’t really afford to and I don’t want that on my conscience!

DH - there is no point getting into that, I know what the MN response will be, but I am living in the real world not MNtown and I have to live with the situation I have.

The reason I’m saving for the children is because it’s money that can’t be touched or used elsewhere, when I’ve tried to save myself in the past I always end up breaking into it whereas when it’s in the children’s accounts I can’t do that.

There is no way I’d ever be able to save six months salary, it’s an impossible dream! At the moment my priority is to pay off the credit cards then evaluate.

You need to reconsider what you are putting into your children's savings and prioritise your credit card bills.

You should pay the highest interest cards off as quickly as possible and then the next and so on. Your children shouldn't have savings from your money when you don't enough have £100 rainy day money.

I hope 2025 is the year you reorganise your finances.

TakeMeDancing · 27/12/2024 10:04

LividBauble · 27/12/2024 09:17

I can never understand MN's attitude to this sort of thing.

People living in a world where it's considered morally better to use a credit card or a food bank than "steal" from your children, who have no concept of money and need to be fed.

Crack on, OP, before someone tells you you'd be better on OnlyFans than borrowing from a piggy bank. Honestly.

(Then, google Dave Ramsey's Baby Steps. I've been following him since summer and have paid off half my debts and have an emergency fund for the first time in my life).

Dave Ramsey needs to be followed with a grain of salt….he advises against putting into employer-matched pension funds until AFTER all debt is paid. That’s insanity—it’s free money. Whatever I put into my pension, my employer matches it x2…if I put in 1%, they put in 2%; my 2% is matched with 4%….it maxes out at my 6% and their 12%…that’s 18% of my salary in total, of which 12% isn’t coming from me. 12% of free money year on year. I would be stupid not to take that 12%, but that’s exactly what Dave wants people in debt to do.

Pilgrimgirl · 27/12/2024 10:03

Don't get a credit card whatever you do, especially if you are not great at managing money. The last thing your kids need is a constantly worried/snappy mum because she's in debt. Use the kid's Christmas money, it's not a massive amount and they are too young to know, money won't mean anything to them at their age and you have literally years to pay it back with interest. Don't beat yourself up about it, it's an easy time of year to overspend, especially if you are entertaining. Just budget better in future.

HopelessHouseMaid · 27/12/2024 10:01

What a bunch of nosy people digging into your finances. You have said you will pay it back, I understand feeling guilty, I would too but it’s not money they will be spending in the next few weeks so don’t stress about it.

Trainors · 27/12/2024 09:58

Honestly I wouldn’t think twice about this.. December is super expensive. I’m not in any debt except for mortgage and I usually put around £500 into savings per month but I’ve found myself short of cash at the moment. If I had £100 in my account for the kids of course I’d put off paying it for a week or 2. They don’t need it til they are grown up. I’ll easily be able to pay it back in January where there are no presents to buy or meals out etc

sky1267 · 27/12/2024 09:57

I’d say absolutely do it if it’s going to avoid you going into credit card debt. MN is full of high earners who have no idea what it’s like for some people in the COL crisis

comedia24 · 27/12/2024 09:56

Wow pure hysteria @darkmorning - why are you asking on Mumsnet? Borrow the savings money, pay it back next month.

But you know you need to do something about your crappy relationship that you can't even ask your dp for help....

Growlybear83 · 27/12/2024 09:55

I spent much of my adult life being in debt, and juggling money until pay day, but I would never have borrowed money intended for my daughter, and would have always used my credit card to get through the month instead if I had reached my overdraft limit. Would it be an option to increase your overdraft if you are worried about using a credit card?

TakeMeDancing · 27/12/2024 09:53

ILikeMySuitcase · 27/12/2024 09:25

Quote from OP

"I do pay £50 into their savings accounts every month anyway, and I’ve never not done this, even when I’ve been very short. But I had budgeted everything down to the last penny: it was still tight but manageable, then am £100 down which I hadn’t budgeted for"

Please see my post from 9:23

rainbowstardrops · 27/12/2024 09:53

Some of the judgemental posts are incredible on here! OP is asking if she should temporarily borrow her preschool children's money for a few weeks until she gets paid, she's not asking if she should sell the kids to a travelling circus!
If some of the self righteous posters here berating you for not having a savings pot of your own etc have never been in a situation where you're struggling sometimes because of a blip in cash flow then good for them because they're very fortunate . Or liars.
Yes, you maybe should rethink putting £100 away for your children every month if it then leaves you short but that's up to you.
I do worry that there's maybe an issue with your partner and that's why you don't want to discuss him (fair enough) but I hope you can see what you maybe need to do there too.
Go to see the in-laws. Have a lovely couple of days away and all the best for 2025 Flowers

Mummyoflittledragon · 27/12/2024 09:52

Saturdayssandwichsociety · 27/12/2024 08:31

Are their savings mostly from extended family or do you and DP save for them as a regular monthly thing?

If the latter - stop doing this. If you cannot afford to build savings for the family generally you can't afford to put money in childrens names where you can't access it.

Its more important for the family security to have family savings - what if the boiler breaks in January.

I've never understood people who save for their children but don't have savings themselves - what if someone loses their job and money to pay the mortgage is tight, money locked into a children's isa is no good then. All well and good saving for kids but more important you don't lose their home growing up, than they have money saved for when they are 18

This all day long. You need to protect your family and have a decent buffer. Failing to do so puts you at risk of losing your home.

thescandalwascontained · 27/12/2024 09:52

darkmorning · 27/12/2024 07:42

Woah - we’re not spending £70 on socialising!

Trip is preplanned, no getting out of it, I’d need to fill the car anyway, children want to see grandparents, grandparents want to see grandchildren, husband wants to see his mum and dad and other family, mum and dad and other family want to see husband.

Then husband needs to tell his parents you two are absolutely skint after christmas and higher bills/less income than expected, and you can't afford to travel. If they want to help get you to their party by paying for a tank of fuel, then that's the only way you can afford to come.

Why are you sorting and worrying about all this to please him and your family? He needs to be taking some responsibility here, especially since it's beyond your budget to see his family. And you're talking about borrowing money his family gave their grandchildren.

EvilNextDoor · 27/12/2024 09:49

January is always a killer month

I’ve done this when the kids were smaller. They needed to eat more than they needed money in their savings accounts.

Always paid it back at the end of January.

The rules for gifted money is our house (and still are now they are teens) is 60% into savings the rest they can budget/spend how they like.

stopthepigeonstopthepigeon · 27/12/2024 09:46

It’s fine as long as you pay it back

Tia86 · 27/12/2024 09:46

darkmorning · 27/12/2024 09:12

Thanks all. I have skimmed the last page and I will come back to it.

Would I tell PIL what I’m doing? I wouldn’t but because they are nice people and would be upset, insist on giving me money when they can’t really afford to and I don’t want that on my conscience!

DH - there is no point getting into that, I know what the MN response will be, but I am living in the real world not MNtown and I have to live with the situation I have.

The reason I’m saving for the children is because it’s money that can’t be touched or used elsewhere, when I’ve tried to save myself in the past I always end up breaking into it whereas when it’s in the children’s accounts I can’t do that.

There is no way I’d ever be able to save six months salary, it’s an impossible dream! At the moment my priority is to pay off the credit cards then evaluate.

Please consider all your options. Talk to citizens advice, see if you can get any legal advice. There are some worrying comments you have made, such as trying to make sure the money is saved for the kids so it can't be touched, not wanting to talk about your partner, the mortgage not being yours (assuming there is a mortgage).

Do use the money if it will help you now, but I don't think this is a long term solution and sounds like you need support in coming up with a plan for your future and that of your children.

StScholastica · 27/12/2024 09:43

When I give money to my adult DC now, I don't care whether it is saved or spent, I trust them to do what is in their best interests.
I don't give with strings attached.

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