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friend ‘lodging’ gone sour

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sausagedogmumm · 26/12/2024 23:10

Need some advice/opinions

Myself and my partner let a friend lodge with us a few months back. At the time she had no where to go and we offered to help, as it’s just the 2 of us with 3 bedrooms. The original deal was a stop gap for her whilst she got herself sorted, we agreed she wouldn’t pay rent but instead pay for household bits and bills. This was a short term fix, she has a cat who we originally said would have to stay elsewhere as we have cats and a puppy of our own and our cats are female and not yet spayed and live inside and hers is a male, outside cat. She also informed us all her belongings would be stored elsewhere, it would just be her and the stuff she needed for a short while, whilst she got back on her feet.

She was unable to find anywhere for her cat to stay so we suggested he stayed downstairs in our dinning room which leads out into the garden and would give him access in and out - it’s a big space and cosy and would mean he was completely separate from our pets, we even suggested she could bring him up stairs at night - our spare room is tiny so this seemed a better option for him.

The week she moved in, we were informed she’d lost her job and the storage had fallen through, so suddenly we had her, alllll her stuff and her cat in our tiny spare room (and her belongings filling our garage and dinning room). She then refused to house the cat downstairs and instead insisted we put up a ‘shelf’ on the outside of our mid terrace house so he could jump in and out. We turned this down, so after a lot of trying to change our minds, she settled for him being let out the front door (carried down).

We realised within a month in, none of our ground rules had really been respected, she was regularly letting her cat mix with ours and then randomly dropped on us, her cat has a gum disease which can be transferred through salvia. She did not contribute to bills and would leave all her dirty washing up in the bowl for us to clean. She then began to leave her cat outside all evening and go out, which caused our neighbours to complain he was trying to get into their houses - to which her response was to tell them to ‘f off.’ She spilled some kind of ink on our carpet which she didn’t inform us of and it’s now ground in and the whole thing needs replacing, put posters on our walls and cracked our paintwork.

As you can imagine, we are very frustrated with the situation and became even more so, when she asked to write up a contract claiming she was paying rent so she could claim more benefits. We refused as she was not actually wanting to pay but transfer it to us and then us send it back and we said we cannot since that is fraud and we are in jobs that require a DBS.

This caused her to become even worse with us and she now regularly moans at us for things like letting her cat in when it’s raining or shutting her bedroom window if we’re going out for the evening and she’s also out till late.

We decided to inform her, we would need our spare room back by the end of jan (6 weeks notice), we stated this was mainly due to our cat ripping out her fur due to the stress of the male cat in the house, meaning until he’s gone, our poor girl is on steroids and stress relief which is costing us hundreds. This combined with the fact she leaves heaters and lights on at all times and has 2 hour baths which has caused our bills to triple, has meant we can no longer have her stay.

She has taken this awfully, threatening suicide and claiming she’ll be on the streets. We have suggested again and again, she contacts the council to try and get housing support but she refused to do so until we told her she had 6 weeks.

Was it fair of us to give her a deadline to move out? We genuinely cannot afford it and my partner grew up in a household with a parent who regularly threatened suicide so as you can guess, he is finding it all very hard

OP posts:
TammyJones · 27/12/2024 12:13

name1234noidea · 26/12/2024 23:19

This sounds so horrific I'm struggling to believe it's real. How can anyone be such a dick? Her not you!

Anything that could go wrong, has gone wrong ...

TammyJones · 27/12/2024 12:12

name1234noidea · 26/12/2024 23:19

This sounds so horrific I'm struggling to believe it's real. How can anyone be such a dick? Her not you!

To add - this all does seem a bit 'Jack- a - nory'

TammyJones · 27/12/2024 12:11

I'd never do this .....but your first mistake really was letting the cat stop.
Re- home it now.
Next get her to find a home share -anywhere.
She has treated you appallingly....I'm surprised you're even friends , as this can't be new personality traits - you surely saw her for what she was - one of life's takers.... let her find some other mug. ..,, and she will

MoreHappy · 27/12/2024 12:03

Work out what day your local council is open and give her written notice for this day - don’t wait until end of Jan. She is not a friend and your relationship is done - get rid of her asap.

Hibernatingtilspring · 27/12/2024 11:55

All the posters telling her to present herself as homeless to the council are very optimistic about homeless services! .
Be mentally prepared for the fact that the council won't help her - they wouldn't in our area. That's not to say you should keep accommodating her, but she will likely need to blag a favour from another person to store her belongings and sofa surf.

People without children rarely qualify for emergency housing accommodation and if they do, it's very specific circumstances - people with severe and enduring mental health issues (usually at a level that they have a care coordinator, being depressed because of your housing situation is 'normal'), people with a health condition that would be significantly at risk without accommodation (eg someone with diabetes who needed a fridge for insulin, or who needed to be in a specific area to access treatment like chemo). In our area they would do that assessment within the day that you present at the council offices and give you a leaflet about private renting while offering to ring people you know to see if they'll let you stay. At most you'd get help with a bond for a private rent deposit. In our nearest city they would add in a referral for charity homeless hostels or HMOs that tend to take people within the week if they have proof of benefits.

Be prepared that she may not find anything and that you may need to change the locks while she's out and bag up her stuff, however horrible that sounds. She's a grifter and she's taking advantage of you

LittleBigHead · 27/12/2024 11:47

YANBU

It sounds absolutely awful

Polyethyl · 27/12/2024 11:16

MadinMarch · 27/12/2024 10:21

An assured short term tenancy (AST) only applies to a rental property where the landlord does not live in the property. It wouldn't be valid or stand up in court, even if OP were to sign it.
This is a lodger situation without doubt, as defined by the law.

Is it a lodger situation when no rent is paid?
If there is no payment then it surely can't even be a lodger status. Just unwanted guest status.

RealHousewivesOfTaunton · 27/12/2024 11:14

Screw January. She'd be out by the end of December if this was my "friend". What a cheeky user.

Cherrysoup · 27/12/2024 11:09

Threatening suicide is worthy of calling the police, it’s been mentioned on here multiple times if you’re worried for her safety. I’d tell her very straight that’s she’s fucked her chances with you due to damage/not following the basics/stress8ng your pets and she’s got 2 weeks, sod 6 weeks, that’ll be torturous for you. She can go to the council and say she’s being made homeless, I mean, it’s true. Get her out, change the barrel of the lock in case she won’t return or has made an extra copy of the key. You have no moral or legal obligation to her. Get rid.

Barleycat · 27/12/2024 11:04

Why aren't your cats spayed?

IainTorontoNSW · 27/12/2024 11:01

sausagedogmumm

It is late in the discussion but you have shown compassion ABOVE AND BEYOND THE NORM and been "trodden on", so to speak. Your friend has been biting the hand that's been there to help her.

Back in early to mid 2021, a family member (a younger sibling) fell on hard times ... no home, relationship fell apart, no savings and few assets ... hit rock bottom in the space of a fortnight.

She appealed to me for a "temporary" place to live and I consulted with my wife. We formulated a plan ... our live in guest could move in when she showed up a recent date-stamped public housing application and a 2nd application for the adjoining city.

She RELUCTANTLY (with many, many protests) made both applications and then we let her move in with her two rescue cats.

We hoped, at best, that she'd be gone in two to three weeks. To help her get back on her feet, we charged no rent or utilities. All we expected was that she'd supply her own food, keep her area (the whole of our 7m by 4m rumpus room) clean and tidy and not be too wasteful with water, electricity.

We half-expected that she'd pitch in and do a bit of vacuuming and tidyng while we were at work.

What we got was a massive fail:

  • a $AUD2500 leather sofa shredded by cats' claws
  • holes in the wall where she put posters and a Pivotelli
  • constant mess in our laundry
  • 7-8 months of tedious sobbing and upset (and each time we enquired if she needed to 'vent' or share her reasons for unhappiness and depression, we copped "you don't understand and you don't want to understand.

Finally, with Christmas 2021 approaching, I reminded her of the impending end to our time limit for her residency.

She did not go quietly and regaled other people with stories of how unreasonable we had been overall.

It's taught me to be less charitable than I'd like to be and I have now become very suspicious of some people's hardship stories.

N.B. I am not the only male on the planet that likes cats and has had his own cats for 65+ years, but her cat management gives lackadaisical cat owners bad reputation.

RandomMess · 27/12/2024 10:59

I would revise her notice to a week and let her present herself to the council as homeless.

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MerrilyOnhigh · 27/12/2024 10:56

Tell her that, in view of the effect on your cats and the expense that is causing, plus the expenses in terms of repairing the damage she has done, she now has until, say, 14th January, and give her written notice confirming that. That gives her more than enough time to find a job and somewhere to live. Make it very clear that her stuff will be out on the streets if she doesn't leave that day, and change the locks.

MadinMarch · 27/12/2024 10:21

Nchanged89 · 27/12/2024 09:00

Would you put it past someone who uses suicide as a manipulation technique to try get OP to sign an AST to obtain those rights?

An assured short term tenancy (AST) only applies to a rental property where the landlord does not live in the property. It wouldn't be valid or stand up in court, even if OP were to sign it.
This is a lodger situation without doubt, as defined by the law.

Incenseda · 27/12/2024 10:05

Get this user out of your home.
You were targeted.
She never had any intention of contributing.
Involve the police if necessary.
Get her out and block her.
She's a grifter.

TwinkleLights24 · 27/12/2024 09:54

I think I would start packing her stuff up from around the house and have her leave before new year. She must have family she can stay with.

XmasElfOnTheShelff · 27/12/2024 09:38

She’d have got 6 hours notice from me.

JC03745 · 27/12/2024 09:02

I'd misread this as being evited on 6th Jan, so in just over a week, not the END of Jan!!! I'd have a clear plan on changing WIFI, changing locks, clearing out the stuff from her room/storage etc and give her a revised date in say 7 days (if being even more generous than you have been)- not in another months time! Citizens advice or shelter might have info to help.

Check your credit rating too! We had a work colleague stay with DH and myself in our small flat. She stayed weeks. I returned from work to find she'd bought over her own 'friend' who spent the day in my home! I'd never met this women before and the lodger never asked.

When our lodger left, we started getting bank statements with her 'friends' name on them at my address! I have no idea how she opened a bank account with our address on though!

Nchanged89 · 27/12/2024 09:00

MadinMarch · 27/12/2024 01:03

It wouldn't be an AST as she's a lodger. A lodger has very virtually no rights.

Would you put it past someone who uses suicide as a manipulation technique to try get OP to sign an AST to obtain those rights?

Dreamerinme · 27/12/2024 08:50

To echo everyone else - get this woman out by this weekend. She can rent a locker in a storage unit to put her stuff, send the cat to a shelter, and present herself to the council with a letter from you saying she is homeless with immediate effect. Have witnesses if you can when you give her the letter, and email/text her a copy as well. Cover yourself so she can’t say she didn’t know you were evicting her.

Call a locksmith to change the locks now, don’t allow her to be in the house while you are not home, and hide/remove all your expensive/personal/precious possessions in case she decides to trash them in retaliation (been there with this before).

Unexpecteddrivinginstructor · 27/12/2024 08:43

Not that you should need to but I would also be trying to see if you can find anyone to temporarily foster the cat for her so it can move out sooner and she doesn't just leave it or turn down accommodation because of the cat.

Sossijiz · 27/12/2024 08:42

Six weeks? I'd give her half an hour to pack her stuff.

gamerchick · 27/12/2024 08:30

Now you pretty much know why she was homeless in the first place OP.

This is probably going to cost you money to get rid of her. But it'll probably be worth it.

Pay for storage for a set time and transfer all her shit over there. Then put the rest of her stuff out and change the locks when she's out.

Or put her out, give her x time to collect her stuff and the cat or you'll be getting rid and taking the cat to a shelter.

Her threatening suicide is manipulative, it's not your problem and unlikely. She's a grifter, she'll find someone else to leech off.

GreenWheat · 27/12/2024 08:20

Jumell · 27/12/2024 07:05

Gosh OP you’ve been much kinder than I would’ve been

I agree, if it had been me, she wouldn't have made it through my door when she appeared with all her stuff and the cat, as specifically asked not to.

IlooklikeNigella · 27/12/2024 08:20

Omg you poor things. She's a user and a manipulator. I got angrier and angrier reading that.

I also like to be generous to people OP and help where I can. It's horrible knowing you're being played. And even then (because you're compassionate) I can understand how you're struggling with this bit because you know, no matter how much of a dick she is, that her life is genuinely hard.

But you have to hold firm OP. Because as a pp said your choices are to go through this shit bit now or else don't, let things get way worse (this is inevitable) and then still have to go through this shit bit.

You have tried your best. My friend and her husband put me up when I was having a crappy time. I was there for 3 weeks. I will be eternally grateful and I did my absolute best to be a good guest and repay them anyway I could. I needed to be persuaded to take them up on their offer.

Your 'friend' simply feels entitled. Remove her from your lives.