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Tenant’s ’friend’ locked out

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Catcherintherice · 26/12/2024 22:50

I am a landlord and around an hour ago took a phone call from my tenant. He is visiting family and accidentally locked out his friend who lives with him. Friend has no key and apparently no money as his cards are in the flat.
The friend is not a tenant and has never been a permitted occupier. Today is the first time the tenant has told me he is actually living there.
The flat is over 30 miles from me. I have visitors and have been drinking. I am probably not over the legal limit but I never drive after any alcohol.
I am not really happy about giving access to someone who isn’t a tenant, but as the tenant says he is there, I have offered that he can get someone to collect a key from my home.
I can’t think of anything else. I have posted in AIBU as I don’t think I’m being unreasonable in not offering anything else, and can’t think of what more I can do.
He has contacted a locksmith who has quoted over £400, and wants payment before he comes out.

OP posts:
LIZS · 27/12/2024 09:00

Your only duty to the tenant is to ensure the property is secure and undamaged. Tell the tenant you are going over today but do not facilitate access to "friend".

NigelHarmansNewWife · 27/12/2024 08:57

This is just speculation on my part, but do you have a clause in the AST about leaving the house unoccupied? If the tenant has gone to visit family for an extended period they may have asked the friend to look after the place in their absence and the friend may be someone usually in a house share/living with parents who will appreciate time on their own.

penelopelondon · 27/12/2024 08:41

I would absolutely NOT drive 30 miles after a few drinks so I can give keys to my tenants friend/airbnb host/lover/subletter/boyfriend (I may consider it if I lived next door or down the block). This is a mess for them to sort out. If tenants 'friend' doesn't have the money to call a locksmith (or is too cheap) then your Tennant needs to call said locksmith and make payment over the phone.

BeyondMyWits · 27/12/2024 08:39

Cheaper to break a window than have a locksmith come out. Only cost us £96 to have a human sized double glazing panel replaced after a lock out... if they left their keys inside.

YourFairCyanReader · 27/12/2024 08:33

OP, have you decided whether to go over and let the unknown 2nd tenant in today? Assuming you'll get a call from the legit tenant asking you to.
You're completely within your rights not to - they shouldn't have been subletting - but you might get a gut feeling that the guy's OK and let him in. Your property so your decision, consider insurance requirements though as well when weighing up the risks

mindutopia · 27/12/2024 08:32

I absolutely would not be giving a stranger who is not a tenant keys to my property. No way. If tenant wants him there, tenant needs to return from wherever and let him in and supervise him to a degree. Like you would with any guest or housesitter. I would also be looking legally at what I could do to get one or both of them out of the property after this from a liability perspective.

LBFseBrom · 27/12/2024 08:06

You're not unreasonable, you can't drive after drinking and there's no other way to do it. I hope someone was available to collect the spare key from you.

I don't think there is anything wrong with your tenant having a friend stay/live with. People do that all the time, especially youngish people. As long as you get your rent, why worry?

Viviennemary · 27/12/2024 07:33

heldinadream · 26/12/2024 22:55

YANBU at all.
This sounds like a mess entirely of their own making, and frankly they're being cheeky to involve you in it at all. Picking a key up from you is definitely as far as you need to go and you are being kind to go along with that much.
I'd probably follow that up with a talk about key security and responsibility and your expectations of your tenant, at a suitable time.

Absolutely. It's their mistake. So they can pick up the key. No way should you be driving.

TankFlyBossW4lk · 27/12/2024 07:24

This is your tenant 's issue. Even if your tenant had locked themselves out, I don't think it's your responsibility to pay for a locksmith. You're the Landlord, not his mum.

You've done enough by offering the key. I would highlight the part of the contract where it says your tenant shouldn't be subletting too.

Oodlesandoodlesofnoodles · 27/12/2024 07:24

Sounds like someone should be paying more council tax.

BigMingeEnergy · 27/12/2024 07:20

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 27/12/2024 01:14

I would be at the property asap tomorrow.

Same

echt · 27/12/2024 07:08

Mumdiva99 · 27/12/2024 06:53

We had a similar situation with the next door neighbour.
A lovely family rented. Her brother was over from abroad staying. (I don't imagine sublet as he didn't work and had some MH issues.)
He locked himself out when he went in the garden for a cigarette. it was cold and snowing and 11o clock at night.
He knocked on ours.
He was very drunk.
Family had gone away.
I had land ladies number I think - this was a long time ago so I might be misremembering the facts....
She ended up driving up from 15 miles away to let him in.
She was lovely.
The family were lovely and great tenants.
He was a troubled young man the sister was helping out.
I think this was the first time I met the landlady face to face.

Whilst I get not wanting to drive 30 miles on boxing day.

Sometimes a good deed is just that.

Have you read the OP's OP?

Mumdiva99 · 27/12/2024 06:53

We had a similar situation with the next door neighbour.
A lovely family rented. Her brother was over from abroad staying. (I don't imagine sublet as he didn't work and had some MH issues.)
He locked himself out when he went in the garden for a cigarette. it was cold and snowing and 11o clock at night.
He knocked on ours.
He was very drunk.
Family had gone away.
I had land ladies number I think - this was a long time ago so I might be misremembering the facts....
She ended up driving up from 15 miles away to let him in.
She was lovely.
The family were lovely and great tenants.
He was a troubled young man the sister was helping out.
I think this was the first time I met the landlady face to face.

Whilst I get not wanting to drive 30 miles on boxing day.

Sometimes a good deed is just that.

AhBiscuits · 27/12/2024 06:45

If they get a locksmith make sure they give you a key. The police are unlikely to be interested, subletting is a civil matter.

NC10125 · 27/12/2024 06:41

Interesting that there were two men trying to get into the house but the tennant’s friend was unable to find a solution to get to you for the key. No one he could stay with for a night, no one who could drive him, no one with the money for an Uber.

I think that you urgently need to see inside the house- it’s quite possible that he’s subletting to more than one person.

Mercurysinretrograde · 27/12/2024 06:14

TiredCatLady · 27/12/2024 02:21

I’d be doing a search for an Airbnb listing matching your property to be honest OP. Convenient that this happens as your tenant heads away and is uncontactable.

This! Do check if your tenant has sublet while he is on holiday.

Gatecrashermum · 27/12/2024 06:13

FaintingAardvark73 · 27/12/2024 06:10

Don’t think that’s true. I’ve called out a locksmith several times and I’ve never been asked for this. There’s a difference between what you would like them to do and what they do in reality…

I have personal experience of this, both as tenant and landlord. I thought this was universally the case! I stand corrected

FaintingAardvark73 · 27/12/2024 06:10

Gatecrashermum · 27/12/2024 05:34

What I've not seen mentioned is a locksmith won't give access to a person unless they can show they legitimate live there e.g. a tenancy agreement with their name on and some ID.

OP this isn't your problem and I don't think you should get involved.

I suspect the tenant has subletted just for his holiday, or a friend has found themselves in a fix and the tenant wants to help them out while being away. The story honestly doesn't add up unless the friend is hopelessly disorganised.

I'd try and get to the bottom of it in the new year. I'd request an inspection then and go round for a chat so you can see the lie of the land e.g. if someone is living there.

Don’t think that’s true. I’ve called out a locksmith several times and I’ve never been asked for this. There’s a difference between what you would like them to do and what they do in reality…

ThejoyofNC · 27/12/2024 06:05

Do you have him saying in writing in one of the messages that the friend lives with him?

Gatecrashermum · 27/12/2024 05:34

What I've not seen mentioned is a locksmith won't give access to a person unless they can show they legitimate live there e.g. a tenancy agreement with their name on and some ID.

OP this isn't your problem and I don't think you should get involved.

I suspect the tenant has subletted just for his holiday, or a friend has found themselves in a fix and the tenant wants to help them out while being away. The story honestly doesn't add up unless the friend is hopelessly disorganised.

I'd try and get to the bottom of it in the new year. I'd request an inspection then and go round for a chat so you can see the lie of the land e.g. if someone is living there.

Kehlani · 27/12/2024 05:18

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 27/12/2024 01:14

I would be at the property asap tomorrow.

Me too actually. You would also be able to see if the property is being sublet.

SnapdragonToadflax · 27/12/2024 05:16

I normally always side with the tenant, having had some utterly shitty landlords... but in this case the tenant is firmly in the wrong. I got locked out as a tenant and it didn't occur to me to bother the landlord - in fact I was really worried about letting them know after the fact, as I had to get a locksmith out. I didn't want them to think I was irresponsible.

If it were a houseshare I wouldn't be surprised the tenant didn't check the other occupier wasn't home - I've definitely lived in houseshares where I wouldn't have said anything when I was coming and going. But it does make it sound more like a sublet than a 'friend'.

DaftyLass · 27/12/2024 04:45

What a cheeky tennant, I'd tell them that they will be paying for any repairs, and that no one else is to be there more than two weeks

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Dasherandprancer · 27/12/2024 04:02

I am not a legal expert and while if truly sublet you have grounds for eviction if the friend is living with the tenant you may not although could evict at end of tenancy. I know when I moved in with my then boyfriend to his rented flat the letting agents tried to increase the rent and enforce a similar clause. Luckily my friend is/was a letting agent and told us to tell them to do one (we were going to love out at then dof tenancy anyway) as it breached my boyfriends right to quiet enjoyment of the property and the ability to treat the property as his home.