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Dishonesty / lies / small print

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Tibbytab · 26/12/2024 00:36

Essentially, my husband and I stopped talking to his family about 4 years ago.

About 2 years ago, I touched on the suggestion that he saw his mum and dad. I suggested somewhere neutral since they are aging and I wouldn’t want anyone to have regrets. He wasn’t in ‘that place’ so didn’t see them. I said fine - I wasn’t about to force the issue and respected his wishes.

However, a couple of days ago I discovered last minute (and through an accident) that he was seeing them before Christmas for an hour. I was fuming about him not being open and honest. There was no need for secrets and being sly. I don’t have any issue with him seeing his parents but I have a massive issue with him not being honest and transparent.

Then it turned out that his sister was there. I had asked him outright if she would be there since she was particularly nasty to me. He said no. Then it transpired that she turned up and they exchanged presents.

Am I being sensitive but I am so upset. I was even crying today up in our room. I had sent him a message saying how important values like honesty and trust are to me and that he seems to have chosen to be dishonest. I called him a liar. He said he hadn’t lied since technically he said, “they know better not to turn up”. I said that I shouldn’t have to check the small print of his words and actually he had been underhand phrasing it that way to deliberately give me the wrong impression

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Tibbytab · 26/12/2024 22:25

Thank you all for your input

It has been very helpful and given food for thought. It has been interesting to see how innocent behaviour has been interpreted and helped me see it through another perspective

I have really looked at everyone’s replies from all angles and, having considered everyone’s points, I respectfully refute that I have been controlling. Sorry I just cannot see how that’s been the case.

perhaps I didn’t write things perfectly and should have re-read my own writing before I hit post and perhaps I should have been clear that my tears on Christmas Day were private and unknown to my husband (they still are). it wasn’t an effort to control or manipulate or do anything else except I was sad that I had to find out by accident. I respect any choice he makes about seeing his family even if it differs from my own opinion.

I was / am sad that he felt that he couldn’t have just spoken to me - like I said my reaction would have been fair enough. It is NOT an issue for him to see them on his terms. Maybe I am too open and communicate a lot but it doesn’t make sense to me not to tell me. Note not ‘ask me’ but ‘tell me’. Saying that, some posters have made a good point about people handling things differently which was fair enough

ive gone back and forth about thinking I’m over reacting, but being 100% honest with others is clearly deep rooted in me as a person. It’s evident I value transparency and communication yet some users on here say it’s his right not to tell me - which helped see it from another point of view.

can we let this post die now please? I asked for advice and I got it which I’m very grateful for - even if I disagree with some. Thank you for giving your time to voice your opinions. Merry Christmas

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Barbie222 · 26/12/2024 19:30

I think the behaviour that is controlling here is the way you've acted since finding out he visited, OP, and the way you can't see that your actions are controlling and manipulative makes me think that you are difficult to work with except when it's on your terms. This would explain why he's not told you - it's extra drama he doesn't need.

ThisCosyAquaHiker · 26/12/2024 19:09

Newdaynewstarts · 26/12/2024 11:34

Why ! Why do people do this, it’s a sneaky trick and shouldn’t be allowed.

I don't see it as being sneaky nor a trick, and don't see why it shouldn't be allowed (we have usernames after all).

In this particular instance, and knowing how quickly an AIBU thread can turn into a pile-on, I was concerned about the OP and how she may react if she were flamed, so tried to sign post to others to be gentle.

CountTo10 · 26/12/2024 13:57

You've managed to make this whole situation about you so do wonder if there are genuine reasons for him 'lying' or 'lying by omission'.

This is a matter between him and his biological family. Clearly there's some big background as to why they've not spoken for 4 years. It's something he needs to navigate himself and if you're the type who creates drama where non is needed, which from your original OP, seems to be the case, then I can totally understand why he didn't tell you. He probably wanted to see how it went and if it didn't go well leave it without a load of questions and drama.

I am generally a totally honest person but have previously lied when in an abusive relationship when, despite doing nothing wrong, the truth would have promoted loads of drama that I couldn't deal with. Sometimes you just want to deal with things with a clear head and without external input which you know won't help the situation

Despitely being a very honest person myself

MargaretThursday · 26/12/2024 13:20

He may well have not known his sister was going to be there until he was there.

I think you need to pull back and know that he needed to see his family on his terms. He didn't want to discuss it, and he didn't need to discuss it with you.

Your reaction is far more what I'd expect if he'd met up with your estranged family in similar situation.

Look at it this way. His relationship with his family is not your business. Your part in this is to listen, support and comfort. if he says "what should I do?" then you can advise.
It only becomes your business if he wants/needs to involve you currently.

Basketballhoop · 26/12/2024 12:49

Tibbytab · 26/12/2024 12:38

With respect, I don’t think this is fair or accurate but thank you for your input and opinion

it isn’t about me controlling anything - I put forward the suggestion that he saw his family originally. I didn’t do this to be controlling or bossy - just so that he saw his family before it was too late

He wasn’t ready for that - which was completely fine

If I had been told he wanted to see them / planned to see them this year, I would have said fair enough

Maybe it’s me, but I don’t see how I’m controlling

Go back and read your first post. Your rage, you're fuming, you're crying in your bedroom. It is all about you, not your partner and how he wanted to handle a first meeting with family after many years. That is why it comes across as controlling. You want to be centred here. He wanted to quietly go and see them without your interference.

FarmGirl78 · 26/12/2024 12:46

3luckystars · 26/12/2024 12:39

Being ‘helpful’ is the sunny side of control. I’m guilty of this myself.

I can totally be that way too, i think self awareness is the key! I've eventually learnt to be pretty good at keeping myself in check.

However in this scenario it's the drama that seems to now accompany it that the OP isn't seeing is an issue. It's such a mountain out of something that could have easily have been dealt with as a molehill.

3luckystars · 26/12/2024 12:39

Being ‘helpful’ is the sunny side of control. I’m guilty of this myself.

Tibbytab · 26/12/2024 12:38

FarmGirl78 · 26/12/2024 12:01

Or her interfering. Or her controll.

Poor chap. He obviously wanted to test the waters with him family privately and on the quiet before he announced to OP they were back on speaking terms again. OP has kicked off, oblivious to his possible thoughts or feelings, and is only thinking of herself in this and not why he thought better to keep her out of it this early on. He kept this private likely because he knows she deals with things in a dramatic way, and it's all kicked off any way.

With respect, I don’t think this is fair or accurate but thank you for your input and opinion

it isn’t about me controlling anything - I put forward the suggestion that he saw his family originally. I didn’t do this to be controlling or bossy - just so that he saw his family before it was too late

He wasn’t ready for that - which was completely fine

If I had been told he wanted to see them / planned to see them this year, I would have said fair enough

Maybe it’s me, but I don’t see how I’m controlling

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FarmGirl78 · 26/12/2024 12:01

Basketballhoop · 26/12/2024 08:34

He didn't lie to you, he just didn't tell you he was seeing them. He obviously did not feel he wanted it needed your advice or emotional support.

Or her interfering. Or her controll.

Poor chap. He obviously wanted to test the waters with him family privately and on the quiet before he announced to OP they were back on speaking terms again. OP has kicked off, oblivious to his possible thoughts or feelings, and is only thinking of herself in this and not why he thought better to keep her out of it this early on. He kept this private likely because he knows she deals with things in a dramatic way, and it's all kicked off any way.

Newdaynewstarts · 26/12/2024 11:34

ThisCosyAquaHiker · 26/12/2024 01:46

OP, I looked up your posting history to see if there was any more background on the family fallout, and I saw your other recent thread re. your recent mental health struggles.

I think you need to seek professional help, ASAP, and probably not seek advice on AIBU (which isn't exactly the most gentle of places).

Take some positive steps to look after yourself.

Why ! Why do people do this, it’s a sneaky trick and shouldn’t be allowed.

KrisAkabusi · 26/12/2024 11:30

If it was reversed, I would have had a conversation with him prior to seeing my family - maybe to seek his advice, to weigh up pros and cons, to be honest, to get support myself since it would be emotional.

This is how you would have reacted though, and it seems how you wanted him to react though. He didn't want to, and you're hurt that he didn't discuss it with you first. But his way isn't the wrong way, it's just different to yours.

Reacting to this by crying for hours isn't healthy. You need to consider that he didn't tell you because of how you react to things.

cansu · 26/12/2024 10:15

Why didn't he tell you? Probably because he knew you would have an issue with it or would impose conditions. Why do you need to?

Pigeonqueen · 26/12/2024 10:13

What is the back story to all this? Why did he stop seeing his family?

My dh is completely no contact with his whole family, many years now. Abusive, horrible lot. Mine weren’t much better. It’s very hard to go no contact for anyone so there is usually a very complex difficult backstory. Despite the fact you hate your family the emotions are still there. Maybe your dh didn’t want to have in depth conversations about it all?

I don’t think it’s worth this level of angst over, but yes he should have told you.

TheOccupier · 26/12/2024 09:56

Are there other things he's hidden from you? Do you generally trust him? If this is an isolated incident, it seems like a huge overreaction on your part. Ultimately it's up to him how he chooses to interact with his family, he's not required to notify you.

YouveGotAFastCar · 26/12/2024 09:48

If it was reversed, I would have had a conversation with him prior to seeing my family - maybe to seek his advice, to weigh up pros and cons, to be honest, to get support myself since it would be emotional.

You might, but perhaps he didn’t want to make it into that kind of ordeal. Perhaps he wanted it to be small and easy. Perhaps he didn’t want opinions, or pros or cons, or emotional support. Maybe he just wanted to see them, as you’ve said they were getting old, snd that be that. Not necessarily restart the relationship, not autopsy it to the third degree, not have it as a defining conversation around Christmas…

You’d have to ask him why he didn’t tell you, but from what you’ve said above, I’d guess this is why. Your way of dealing with it may have made it so much of a big deal that he didn’t want, or couldn’t cope with. Not telling you kept it small and easy.

katter · 26/12/2024 09:29

Tibbytab · 26/12/2024 08:28

Just to say, I have no problem at all with him seeing his parents. It was my suggestion 2 years ago after all.

My issue is that he chose not to tell me. I only found out that he was seeing them by accident, he must have known his sister would have been there to exchange gifts with her yet denied her being there when I asked him beforehand and I don’t see why he just couldn’t have been transparent and told me.

I cannot fathom why. People have suggested about my reaction - but my reaction would have been to say fair enough. If I felt anything different I wouldn’t have suggested it to him 3 years ago.

If it was reversed, I would have had a conversation with him prior to seeing my family - maybe to seek his advice, to weigh up pros and cons, to be honest, to get support myself since it would be emotional.

It really isn’t about him seeing his family. It’s just about being clear and transparent.

People are different though. While you would have talked things through before he wanted to process things for himself first.
Neither of these are wrong.
Him not telling you doesn't have anything to do with you but with the way he is processing his feelings.
While I don't think him lying about his sister is a good thing he might not have wanted to fan the flames after all you were already enraged and called him dishonest.
4 years is a long time and people can change a lot.
I do think you ought to have it out in person more texting would probably lead to more misunderstandings and this is a lengthy conversation.

Tibbytab · 26/12/2024 09:15

It isn’t about controlling it

its about being open and transparent with each other

thank you for your advice but I don’t think reacting by saying, “fair enough” is controlling it tbh

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Fartly · 26/12/2024 08:37

3luckystars · 26/12/2024 08:33

I think you were only ok with it, if you were controlling it.

You are obviously extremely hurt by them so he probably didn’t know what way to say it to you.
In this situation you are going to be hurt and upset, no mater what.

Get some counselling to strengthen yourself. Good luck x

This.

Tibbytab · 26/12/2024 08:36

Oops 2 years not 3 years

typo

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Basketballhoop · 26/12/2024 08:34

He didn't lie to you, he just didn't tell you he was seeing them. He obviously did not feel he wanted it needed your advice or emotional support.

3luckystars · 26/12/2024 08:33

I think you were only ok with it, if you were controlling it.

You are obviously extremely hurt by them so he probably didn’t know what way to say it to you.
In this situation you are going to be hurt and upset, no mater what.

Get some counselling to strengthen yourself. Good luck x

Tibbytab · 26/12/2024 08:31

Also it’s been about 4 days now - he’s still not replied to my message saying how hurt I am that he wasn’t honest about it. I know someone said to stop texting but we have had people round what with Christmas and I don’t want to cause a scene while they are here

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Tibbytab · 26/12/2024 08:28

Just to say, I have no problem at all with him seeing his parents. It was my suggestion 2 years ago after all.

My issue is that he chose not to tell me. I only found out that he was seeing them by accident, he must have known his sister would have been there to exchange gifts with her yet denied her being there when I asked him beforehand and I don’t see why he just couldn’t have been transparent and told me.

I cannot fathom why. People have suggested about my reaction - but my reaction would have been to say fair enough. If I felt anything different I wouldn’t have suggested it to him 3 years ago.

If it was reversed, I would have had a conversation with him prior to seeing my family - maybe to seek his advice, to weigh up pros and cons, to be honest, to get support myself since it would be emotional.

It really isn’t about him seeing his family. It’s just about being clear and transparent.

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Onlycoffee · 26/12/2024 06:45

Op do you know why your DH didn't mention he was seeing his parents? And if he exchanged gifts with his sister it sound like he knew they were going to be there,

I wouldn't like that level of sneakiness either. He's been in contact with his family, arranged a meeting and even gone shopping and wrapped presents without mentioning any of it to you.
I don't know how people aren't seeing this as anything but the opposite of open and honest.

Obviously there's more to the story but I don't think there's much to mitigate not mentioning any of this to you as it happened.

If op's DH was protecting op's feelings he would have said so straight away.