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Noihin · 25/12/2024 10:58

My mum was one of 5 siblings, and when my GPs died over 20 years ago, the siblings divided their parents belongings amongst each other. GPs were not wealthy but had some nice things. My mum got their wedding silver. Mum was really happy and we used them every Christmas. It was a big deal for her. I was also close to my GPs.

As soon as my mum died 10 yrs ago (she is the only sibling that has passed and died quite young) my mums sister started to mention she wants the silver and it belongs to her. We, my mums children have not divided her belongings at all. They are still in the house with my dad, and we prefer it that way. I told her no. And that we use it, and it is part of our tradition.

I have grown really close to this aunt since my mums death. She has no children of her own and has been a huge part of our lives with babysitting, borrowing me her car etc. I have thought we have a genuine love for each other.

Now, i'm at my dads and i saw that the silver is gone. My dad said aunt came and demanded it last summer and he gave it her. He says its only materia and he doesn't think its right but he doesn't care.
I am deeply hurt. She went behind my back to do this, and has not once mentioned this to me all this time. I texted her to ask why she did this and she turned defensive and nasty. A side i've never seen if her before. I am heartbroken. I feel betrayed and manipulated. The monetary value is not much, but its the greed, betrayal and disregard, as well as seeing the shady side of her that has shaken me. I don't know what to do. Im very bad at keeping up the appearances if someone has hurt me. On the other hand my children will miss her if i stop seeing her.

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dutchyoriginal · 26/12/2024 06:55

helpfulperson · 25/12/2024 14:41

Who decided who got what when your Grandmothers possessions were divided? Was it specified or did they take turns choosing or what? It's possible it was promised to you Aunt

And what does your Mothers will say?

Which country are you in that the children not the spouse inherit?

The Netherlands, for instance.

Your aunt is really really underhanded, and I would completely understand if you were to cut her off.

MsDitsy · 26/12/2024 06:52

Jumell · 25/12/2024 11:11

I’m so sorry OP I think that’s awful of her and I do sympathise. I’d now go NC with her if I were you. ❤️

i also think your Dad, as your late Mum’s next of kin, had the right to give this to your Aunt if that’s what he wanted to do.

Her dad probably got sick of being pestered for it and just wanted peace.

Viviennemary · 26/12/2024 06:32

I don't know why it's any more hers than yours. But if you feel she has taken it by force or stolen it report it to the police. But they probably won't want to get involved. Ask for it back.

WishinAndHopin · 26/12/2024 06:25

ThatKhakiMoose · 26/12/2024 06:24

Well, if we're only going on technicalities and we're leaving sentimentality, memories and feelings out it, then OP has no more right to it than her aunt. It was never hers and she had no right to it either, going by your logic.

Edited

I’d say if it’s been with OPs parents for a quarter of a century than she would be more attached to it.

ThatKhakiMoose · 26/12/2024 06:24

WishinAndHopin · 26/12/2024 06:17

She’s wrong though. It was never hers and she had no right to it. Plus it’s been with OP’s parents for 25+ years now.

Legally, it went to OP’s mum many years ago when she inherited it. After she died, it went to OP’s dad.

It was his to give away and sadly, stupidly and carelessly, he did it.

I do think he deserves some of the blame because giving away his wife’s sentimental family heirloom without checking if anybody cared was thoughtless and stupid. He shouldn’t get away with it by playing dumb and meek.

Well, if we're only going on technicalities and we're leaving sentimentality, memories and feelings out it, then OP has no more right to it than her aunt. It was never hers and she had no right to it either, going by your logic.

WishinAndHopin · 26/12/2024 06:17

ThatKhakiMoose · 26/12/2024 05:28

No, it was OP's grandparents' wedding gift, so it's very much to do with the aunt's heritage. It would have been used while her mum and her sister were growing up. So both OP's deceased mum and her aunt had/have lots of memories of using the silver at family celebrations, I imagine.

From the aunt's perspective, the silver probably didn't mean much to her brother-in-law (OP's dad) and it IS her family silver - it belonged to her parents. She probably feels ownership over it considering it was her parents' wedding gift and therefore grew up using it. I can see how she feels it should come to her next, since her sister is no longer with us - kind of a sideways move - before it goes back to OP's side when the aunt dies.

Edited

She’s wrong though. It was never hers and she had no right to it. Plus it’s been with OP’s parents for 25+ years now.

Legally, it went to OP’s mum many years ago when she inherited it. After she died, it went to OP’s dad.

It was his to give away and sadly, stupidly and carelessly, he did it.

I do think he deserves some of the blame because giving away his wife’s sentimental family heirloom without checking if anybody cared was thoughtless and stupid. He shouldn’t get away with it by playing dumb and meek.

CandidHedgehog · 26/12/2024 05:47

user1492757084 · 25/12/2024 11:11

It was not your Dad's to give away.
I would raise the issue with your Aunt.

Ask after your mother's silver.
Tell her you expect to have it back for special occasions and charge her to take good care of it while she borrows it.
I would also go so far as to have a lawyer write a letter to the same.and detailing the fact that your mother's silver is in her care.

Unfortunately, unless left to one of her children in her will, all of the property belonging to the OP’s DM ends up with her DH and therefore he can do what he likes with it.

ThatKhakiMoose · 26/12/2024 05:28

IhateHPSDeaneCnt · 26/12/2024 05:15

I'd call her out. It was your Parents wedding gift; nothing to do with heritage - incredibly grabby. My sister in law purloined two full sets of canteens of Silver cutlery plus Wedgewood Dinner service - my farther had just died and my mum was in no fit state to query as stuff was carried out.

No, it was OP's grandparents' wedding gift, so it's very much to do with the aunt's heritage. It would have been used while her mum and her sister were growing up. So both OP's deceased mum and her aunt had/have lots of memories of using the silver at family celebrations, I imagine.

From the aunt's perspective, the silver probably didn't mean much to her brother-in-law (OP's dad) and it IS her family silver - it belonged to her parents. She probably feels ownership over it considering it was her parents' wedding gift and therefore grew up using it. I can see how she feels it should come to her next, since her sister is no longer with us - kind of a sideways move - before it goes back to OP's side when the aunt dies.

ThatKhakiMoose · 26/12/2024 05:21

She has no children so presumably it will come to you eventually. She probably wants to have her turn to use it before that time. It's very annoying and yes, a little shady, but they are just objects and not worth a rift. Maybe they remind her of her own family celebrations when she and your mum were all young and they used it together. Maybe they're a connection to her parents.

Seriously, they are just inanimate objects. Absolutely not worth all this.

IhateHPSDeaneCnt · 26/12/2024 05:15

I'd call her out. It was your Parents wedding gift; nothing to do with heritage - incredibly grabby. My sister in law purloined two full sets of canteens of Silver cutlery plus Wedgewood Dinner service - my farther had just died and my mum was in no fit state to query as stuff was carried out.

Blanketssese · 25/12/2024 19:06

Completely understandable OP that you feel such hurt and distaste for what she has done.
Hers is really ugly behaviour.
Of course it changes how you view her.

alwayslearning789 · 25/12/2024 18:42

Noihin · 25/12/2024 11:53

Im not angry. Just a few days ago she dropped off some presents for us and hugged me and said how much she loves me. I don't lie to and deceive people i love. She knew i objected. My dad didn't. I hadnt even talked about the silver with him because i honestly couldn't see this coming. Its the shadyness. And i feel manipulated.

This is awful OP and sorry you have had to experience this and find out this way.

It has been exposed now who and what she is, so do what you need to do to protect yourself and your children.

twohotwaterbottles · 25/12/2024 17:43

I have learned a phrase while working on myself over the last two years. "When people show you who they are, believe them. " She's not a nice person OP. I'd just quietly slip out of her life if it was me tbh. Disgusting and mercenary behaviour by her

godmum56 · 25/12/2024 17:20

Noihin · 25/12/2024 16:03

I don't know what was said because i was underaged at the time and not there. But my mum was very happy. She even took the set to an antiques roadshow type of show and no one said anything! I know my mum felt like the unlucky one of the siblings all her life. She wasnt the favourite and was given all the hand-me-down clothes etc. So i guess for her to get this set was a big deal and that's why she would mention it a lot.

So, this is not about the legalities, but about the fact that i feel the right to leave a sentimental family heirloom has been stolen (quite literally) from my mum. And the fact that someone i trusted, knowingly did something against my/our will and prioritised their want above the relationship we have. Which makes me question the genuinity of the relationship.

When its stuff it IS about legalities and you cannot "literally" or otherwise steal from someone who has died.

Unforgettablefire · 25/12/2024 17:16

Op I'm with you I have a sister that's like this. It's not so much the value is it it's sentimental and the shitty and sly underhand way she's gone about it.

Sorry I have no advice but I know how hard it is not to go nuclear. People are shitbags.

Isthisreasonable · 25/12/2024 16:48

If she was concerned about the silver going out of the family, the aunt could have told OP that she was going to make sure that the silver went eventually to op and her siblings by taking it back and willing the silver to op. The fact that she went behind op's back at a time when it wouldn't be easily missed speaks volumes.

She's got no guarantees that she will ever see the silver again even if she keeps up contact with the aunt.

In op's shoes I would let df know how hurt you are by his actions and if there is anything similar that he might let go of, tell him what you would want to treasure when the time comes.

With the aunt I would wait for her to initiate contact. She may go lc now she has the silver. If she does make contact, tell her how heartbroken you are about her taking away your link to your grandparents, and ask her why she felt you shouldn't have something to remember them by. I would find it difficult to regain the former relationship with her.

FoolishHips · 25/12/2024 16:47

tinselAndCrackers · 25/12/2024 11:19

Bearing in mind how good she is to you, you should think about how she doesn't have a family with her own kids. All she has is memories of her childhood which included the silver. I can see how she'd think it's ridiculous that her BIL now has her parents' heirloom.

I agree with this. I'd give her a chance I think. Yes she's shown a sign you haven't seen before but she felt caught out and handled the situation badly.

I think you'd be cutting off your nose (and your DC's noses) to spite your face if your aunt is usually lovely. Going NC for this would be silly. I think I'd just have offered the cutlery to her when she first mentioned it. (But I'm a bit soft.)

Calliecarpa · 25/12/2024 16:40

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 25/12/2024 16:39

The OP hasn't clarified which jurisdiction excludes spouses to the advantage of children. I'd love to know which one it is.

Me too! I made a similar point in another post after the one you've quoted. Even French law doesn't disinherit a spouse entirely, AFAIK.

BrendaSmall · 25/12/2024 16:39

Noihin · 25/12/2024 14:57

My dad didn't lie.

Why didn’t your dad say something to you at the time, when your Auntie came round for the silver??

IHaveNeverLivedintheCastle · 25/12/2024 16:39

Calliecarpa · 25/12/2024 15:26

The OP has already clarified that she's not in the UK so UK inheritance law doesn't apply to this situation.

The OP hasn't clarified which jurisdiction excludes spouses to the advantage of children. I'd love to know which one it is.

HollyKnight · 25/12/2024 16:27

She didn't steal anything. She was given it by your father because he doesn't care or have any sentimental feelings about it. Did your father know it was not his to give away? Or does he think it was his.

diddl · 25/12/2024 16:25

If anyone has stolen it, isn't it your dad who gave it away when it wasn't his to do so?

GreatGardenstuff · 25/12/2024 16:23

That is disgusting behaviour from your aunt. It’s actually unforgivable, I just couldn’t get past it. The silver belonged to your mother and should have been passed to her children, she’s taken something which doesn’t belong to her and I would insist she returns it or the relationship is done.

MeridianB · 25/12/2024 16:15

She has shown you who she is. She has grabbed and lied, disrespected both your parents and you, and is now defensive and rude about it. Why would you want your children to spend time with someone like that? I wouldn’t hesitate to block her and move on. Invest the energy in your Dad.

Noihin · 25/12/2024 16:12

goneaway2 · 25/12/2024 16:10

Do you have any idea how long it takes to hand knit socks! Sock yarn can cost a fortune too. I love my knitted socks and I've never knitted any for anyone else as they take soo long to do.

I do have an idea. I also knit. Besides i thanked her for the present and wished happy Christmas regardless. I am hurt. Not revengeful or angry.

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