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Noihin · 25/12/2024 10:58

My mum was one of 5 siblings, and when my GPs died over 20 years ago, the siblings divided their parents belongings amongst each other. GPs were not wealthy but had some nice things. My mum got their wedding silver. Mum was really happy and we used them every Christmas. It was a big deal for her. I was also close to my GPs.

As soon as my mum died 10 yrs ago (she is the only sibling that has passed and died quite young) my mums sister started to mention she wants the silver and it belongs to her. We, my mums children have not divided her belongings at all. They are still in the house with my dad, and we prefer it that way. I told her no. And that we use it, and it is part of our tradition.

I have grown really close to this aunt since my mums death. She has no children of her own and has been a huge part of our lives with babysitting, borrowing me her car etc. I have thought we have a genuine love for each other.

Now, i'm at my dads and i saw that the silver is gone. My dad said aunt came and demanded it last summer and he gave it her. He says its only materia and he doesn't think its right but he doesn't care.
I am deeply hurt. She went behind my back to do this, and has not once mentioned this to me all this time. I texted her to ask why she did this and she turned defensive and nasty. A side i've never seen if her before. I am heartbroken. I feel betrayed and manipulated. The monetary value is not much, but its the greed, betrayal and disregard, as well as seeing the shady side of her that has shaken me. I don't know what to do. Im very bad at keeping up the appearances if someone has hurt me. On the other hand my children will miss her if i stop seeing her.

OP posts:
the7Vabo · 26/12/2024 09:14

BishyBarnyBee · 26/12/2024 08:27

There is a completely different way to look at this. The set was an important part of family tradition for both your aunt and your mother. It's not part of family tradition for your dad. Your aunt asked your dad for the set because it meant a lot to her. It didn't mean a lot to him, so he gave it to her.

Hand knitted socks are a present that has a lot of love and time invested in it. It makes me sad when people invest a lot of effort in handmade gifts as I think they are often not appreciated as the recipient has no idea what has gone into the making of them.

Your aunt is one of the few people who can link you to your mother as a child. You have a choice now. You can ramp up the resentment and self-righteousness, ruin your relationship with one of the few people who can connect you to your mother. Or you could recognise that she was acting out of her love for her own mother - and sister - and move on.

Id urge you to move past this OP. No doubt your aunt has a completely different perspective on this.

You continue with your all or nothing approach to relationships or you could recognise that people, all of us are flawed, and move on.

I regret some of the relationships I have lost by not letting things go.

okright · 26/12/2024 09:03

Wwyd? Acknowledge the hurt and tell her it will take a while to get over and really you think she should give it back or part of it back. Take your time to get over it and accept the relationship had changeg but keep it going for your children. That's probably what I'd do.

okright · 26/12/2024 09:01

Hurtful!

From her point of view, hers. Her family. Her heritage. You're a child and not considered.

From yours her actions negate the years of memory and love imbued in the object. It compounds the loss of your mum.

I'm projecting as I have a childless close aunt. The relationship is often transactional from her perspective. I give her family and heritage and future proofing. God forgive me for saying this as I know it's hurtful to people who haven't had kids but she doesn't have the perspective of someone who has children and often quite self focussed in her actions as a result.

Rosscameasdoody · 26/12/2024 08:51

ACatNamedRobin · 25/12/2024 11:10

She "has been a huge part of our lives with babysitting, borrowing me her car etc"

To look at her side of this, isn't she allowed the cutlery given all that she's done for you?
After all from the sentimental side it's something left from the aunt's parents. And monetarily, the babysitting etc has probably been worth more than the cutlery.

No. Cutlery was given to OP’s mum. Because she has passed away it’s now part of OP’s dad’s estate. Auntie effectively coerced him into giving it up. That’s no better than stealing. Disgusting to suggest that just being a close family member has some monetary value.

CarefulN0w · 26/12/2024 08:51

Someone slagging off hand knitted socks isn't someone who isn't materialistic.

cuteyfluff · 26/12/2024 08:43

BestZebbie · 26/12/2024 08:29

Just to correct a misconception here - if she made those hand-knitted socks for you herself that shows a great deal of affection.
The price of the yarn alone would buy you several pairs of decent high street socks and the time required to do the thousands of tiny stitches required is immense (and then you have to do it again exactly the same for the second sock). The exact total stitch-count varies depending on pattern but it can be as many as ~40k stitches overall, which can take time equal to half a week of full-time work (or considerably more if she has only recently learned!).

I know I was shocked at the slagging off of the socks!

BestZebbie · 26/12/2024 08:29

Noihin · 25/12/2024 11:15

Im so sad. Not even angry. I just opened a present from her. Hand-knitted socks! They completely lack the warmth i thought there was in between us. Thats hurts more than the silver. She can keep it.

Just to correct a misconception here - if she made those hand-knitted socks for you herself that shows a great deal of affection.
The price of the yarn alone would buy you several pairs of decent high street socks and the time required to do the thousands of tiny stitches required is immense (and then you have to do it again exactly the same for the second sock). The exact total stitch-count varies depending on pattern but it can be as many as ~40k stitches overall, which can take time equal to half a week of full-time work (or considerably more if she has only recently learned!).

BishyBarnyBee · 26/12/2024 08:27

There is a completely different way to look at this. The set was an important part of family tradition for both your aunt and your mother. It's not part of family tradition for your dad. Your aunt asked your dad for the set because it meant a lot to her. It didn't mean a lot to him, so he gave it to her.

Hand knitted socks are a present that has a lot of love and time invested in it. It makes me sad when people invest a lot of effort in handmade gifts as I think they are often not appreciated as the recipient has no idea what has gone into the making of them.

Your aunt is one of the few people who can link you to your mother as a child. You have a choice now. You can ramp up the resentment and self-righteousness, ruin your relationship with one of the few people who can connect you to your mother. Or you could recognise that she was acting out of her love for her own mother - and sister - and move on.

Noihin · 26/12/2024 08:19

nomoretreats · 26/12/2024 07:53

What do the rest of your mums siblings have e to say about your aunt claiming the set as her own?

I don't know if they know. I won't be the one blowing this up. There's a big family wedding coming up and i am not going to ruin the occasion for everyone by airing this out just before. This family doesn't even usually do confrontation. Ive never seen them argue. That's why it was also a shock she reacted the way she did.

OP posts:
Noihin · 26/12/2024 08:15

daisychain01 · 26/12/2024 08:04

And i don't want to invest in relationships that require acting out some fake closeness and ignore hurtful things.

yet you haven't had a proper conversation with her?

you seem to have a very totalitarian approach to relationships, where everything has to be perfect and things have to be done your way, with no reprieve or ability for the other poor unsuspecting individual the chance for dialogue.

all over some silver that wasn't your's.

Conversations require both parties to come together in good will and open heart. She turned nasty and defensive when i asked her why she did it. I told her im hurt. So unless she reaches out to me with anything other than defensive invalidating comments, then i say it is not possible to talk. Talk and understanding is a two way street.

OP posts:
daisychain01 · 26/12/2024 08:04

And i don't want to invest in relationships that require acting out some fake closeness and ignore hurtful things.

yet you haven't had a proper conversation with her?

you seem to have a very totalitarian approach to relationships, where everything has to be perfect and things have to be done your way, with no reprieve or ability for the other poor unsuspecting individual the chance for dialogue.

all over some silver that wasn't your's.

the7Vabo · 26/12/2024 08:01

Noihin · 26/12/2024 07:43

@The7Vabo I agree. Its only stuff. And that's not what im most upset about. She can keep the set. Its tainted to me now anyways and i wouldn't enjoy it.
What i am upset about is aunts lack of consideration and acting dishonest behind our backs. I don't expect that from someone i love. And i also feel like she is posthumously invalidating my mum by saying the set wasnt even hers, when in my mums reality it was very much hers.

And i don't want to invest in relationships that require acting out some fake closeness and ignore hurtful things. That's not me. I can't act something hasnt happened, when it definitely happended. And thats sad.

But to give her the benefit of the doubt - was she saying it was her parent’s set?

If your aunt has been good to you and your kids, I’d urge you not to throw that away. Kids really benefit from those kind of relationships.

You don’t have to be fake, you can tell her you were upset about it and try to move past it.

If you look at it from her POV she might have thought you were being insensitive to her sentiment.

Twobigbabies · 26/12/2024 07:58

I've seen relationships on both sides of my family completely destroyed by disputes over inheritance. It's incredibly sad. Yes your aunt did a horrible thing but no one is perfect. I would go cool with her for a while but maybe in time see if you can rebuild your relationship. Any sentimental value this set has for you will be multiplied for her. It's an object of little worth I would try to let it go.

nomoretreats · 26/12/2024 07:53

What do the rest of your mums siblings have e to say about your aunt claiming the set as her own?

Noihin · 26/12/2024 07:43

@The7Vabo I agree. Its only stuff. And that's not what im most upset about. She can keep the set. Its tainted to me now anyways and i wouldn't enjoy it.
What i am upset about is aunts lack of consideration and acting dishonest behind our backs. I don't expect that from someone i love. And i also feel like she is posthumously invalidating my mum by saying the set wasnt even hers, when in my mums reality it was very much hers.

And i don't want to invest in relationships that require acting out some fake closeness and ignore hurtful things. That's not me. I can't act something hasnt happened, when it definitely happended. And thats sad.

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TwentySecondsLeft · 26/12/2024 07:38

@Noihin

You know your Dad, you have that closeness.
Do you think as a non-genetic relative, your Aunt has a different perception of your Dad and new wife?
Again, I remember my parents by a cutlery set we had at Xmas. I’d be happy if my sister had it - but if she was no longer there, I can understand wanting it back as it has emotional meaning to me.

It’s not monetary value, it’s the connection to my parents and the memories.

the7Vabo · 26/12/2024 07:32

IhateHPSDeaneCnt · 26/12/2024 07:12

@ThatKhakiMoose I disagree. They gave it to them as a wedding gift hence it follows they want it to be passed down that line. I think incredibly underhand.

It was the grandparents ie the aunt’s parents wedding silver.
The title is misleading because I very much doubt she took it out of greed unless she’s sold it.
She wanted it for sentiment and maybe being an older lady on her own she needs that emotionally.
It wasn’t the OP’s in any case.

My mother has things given to her for her wedding. I’ve grown up with them by entire life. And I’ve heard the stories about them. So I get the sentiment.
I also get the OP’s sentiment but struggle to understand how she doesn’t see the aunt’s.

Also it’s just stuff. It doesn’t bring anyone back. People are more important.

Noihin · 26/12/2024 07:31

TwentySecondsLeft · 26/12/2024 07:18

@Noihin

As it’s her BIL and new wife, do you think she could be worried that they might sell it, or not look after it properly?

I’d be 100% appalled if she now sells it, but I don’t get the impression that is her motive.

Greed would imply a monetary gain for her, but if it’s more a sentimental gain - that’s different.

I think you need to have a chat with her, and find out her intentions.

It may be that she thinks your Dad/new wife won’t take care of it.

No. That's not the concern. My dad and new partner are very settled in their relationship and independent lives, homes and have no intention to marry or move in together. And his new partner is older than him, has no children of her own, no siblings, no nieces or nephews and doesnt seem at all interested in my dads belongings. She is well off, owns her own home and drives a better car than him.
My dad has kept everything as my mum left it. Respected her traditions and has looked after the set and everything else well. He has his issues, but he is honest and trustwothy. He would never sell off anything like that.

Aunt wont sell it. I recognise her emotional attachment to her parents wedding gift (i told her this) but the what she has done is not right. The deceit and grabbyness is what hurts the most.

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SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 26/12/2024 07:29

Legally unless your mum left the cutlery to a named person in her will, it belongs to your dad and he can gift it to someone else. It’s very upsetting to you that neither aunt nor dad have considered its sentimental value to you. But feelings run high after a death. Your aunt has been very good yo you in other ways.

TwentySecondsLeft · 26/12/2024 07:22

I’m just thinking that if my parents had given something important to my sister, and my sister was no longer there - I would be worried about it being looked after by non-direct family/new wife. Although I’d explain to my nieces that I’d look after it for them to have in the future. Particularly if they were abroad.

@Noihin

ThePollutedShadesOfPemberley · 26/12/2024 07:21

Despite the semantics, she has been a sneaky bitch.

NC now. Be done with her.

TwentySecondsLeft · 26/12/2024 07:18

@Noihin

As it’s her BIL and new wife, do you think she could be worried that they might sell it, or not look after it properly?

I’d be 100% appalled if she now sells it, but I don’t get the impression that is her motive.

Greed would imply a monetary gain for her, but if it’s more a sentimental gain - that’s different.

I think you need to have a chat with her, and find out her intentions.

It may be that she thinks your Dad/new wife won’t take care of it.

IhateHPSDeaneCnt · 26/12/2024 07:12

@ThatKhakiMoose I disagree. They gave it to them as a wedding gift hence it follows they want it to be passed down that line. I think incredibly underhand.

MsDitsy · 26/12/2024 07:08

I completely understand the feeling of betrayal even if many are saying its only stuff. They aren't understanding how her underhanded and sly behaviour has effected you. The very fact she went to your dad's house and mithered him to give it to her is upsetting in itself but doing it behind your back after you expressly said no is beyond words really. It's not payment for babysitting nor anything else, you did not know there was a high price to pay for this, you thought it was done out of love. All those saying it's not worth losing your aunt over, well she obviously didn't feel the same. I'm sorry for the loss of your mum. I know that keeping the status quo at your dad's was a comfort and now she has taken that. Make sure your dad knows not to let her have anything else she takes a fancy to.

westisbest1982 · 26/12/2024 06:56

Her dad sounds a bit weak. In his shoes I would have told the aunt to do one. A lot of men of a certain age are like the dad - they’d cut off their right arms if they knew it would guarantee quiet lives.