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Noihin · 25/12/2024 10:58

My mum was one of 5 siblings, and when my GPs died over 20 years ago, the siblings divided their parents belongings amongst each other. GPs were not wealthy but had some nice things. My mum got their wedding silver. Mum was really happy and we used them every Christmas. It was a big deal for her. I was also close to my GPs.

As soon as my mum died 10 yrs ago (she is the only sibling that has passed and died quite young) my mums sister started to mention she wants the silver and it belongs to her. We, my mums children have not divided her belongings at all. They are still in the house with my dad, and we prefer it that way. I told her no. And that we use it, and it is part of our tradition.

I have grown really close to this aunt since my mums death. She has no children of her own and has been a huge part of our lives with babysitting, borrowing me her car etc. I have thought we have a genuine love for each other.

Now, i'm at my dads and i saw that the silver is gone. My dad said aunt came and demanded it last summer and he gave it her. He says its only materia and he doesn't think its right but he doesn't care.
I am deeply hurt. She went behind my back to do this, and has not once mentioned this to me all this time. I texted her to ask why she did this and she turned defensive and nasty. A side i've never seen if her before. I am heartbroken. I feel betrayed and manipulated. The monetary value is not much, but its the greed, betrayal and disregard, as well as seeing the shady side of her that has shaken me. I don't know what to do. Im very bad at keeping up the appearances if someone has hurt me. On the other hand my children will miss her if i stop seeing her.

OP posts:
wanderlustwherever · 26/12/2024 17:57

I love a point made by another poster, “when she gets old and lonely she will realise the cutlery won’t be able to speak to her”.

unfortunately money shows people’s true hearts. That silverware wasn’t just a reminder of your GP’s but now your mum also and she knows this. Sneaking behind your back to your dad to collect something you said you wanted and not mentioning it because she KNOWS what she did was wrong. Sorry but I would cut her off, the children will get over it.

I would send a sharply worded text reiterating that it wasn’t hers to take, you made it clear you wanted it and she was extremely granny and disrespectful. I’d say you have been rethinking if you want someone like that around you and indeed your children and literally say that if she finds herself alone one day you wonder how much comfort the dinnerware will be to her!

ThatKhakiMoose · 26/12/2024 17:13

IhateHPSDeaneCnt · 26/12/2024 07:12

@ThatKhakiMoose I disagree. They gave it to them as a wedding gift hence it follows they want it to be passed down that line. I think incredibly underhand.

In that case, the dad should have given it to OP after her mother passed.

I agree that technically, it should stay in that line, but the silver belonged to the aunt's mother and the aunt will have lots of happy memories of them using it as a family. Now that her sister isn't here to benefit from it, I can quite see why the aunt wants a turn with it. OP wasn't using it at this time anyway - it was with the dad.

IAm16StoneHalloween2024 · 26/12/2024 14:54

AquaLeader · 26/12/2024 13:07

The Christmas pies have become even more elaborate today.

Just report it then.

IAm16StoneHalloween2024 · 26/12/2024 14:53

PureBoggin · 26/12/2024 12:48

What do you think this would achieve I wonder?

To get it all out in the open. The aunt does not have first dibs on stuff left by her parents as there are four other siblings.

FancyBiscuitsLevel · 26/12/2024 14:39

Hope another day going by has helped calm your feelings op.

could you try unblocking your aunt and messaging her to say that you think you understand why she didn’t want your dad to have the silver due to his new relationship. But could she explain why she doesn’t think you are the rightful person to have it? Say that while it holds memories of your grandparents for you, it now has happy memories of your mother using it on special occasions. You had left it with your father as he was continuing to host events for your family, but you had always assumed you would continue to build those happy memories of it with your children, and one day would pass to them. Say that you don’t understand why she didn’t talk to you if she wasn’t happy.

she’d have to be very hard hearted to not respond.

AquaLeader · 26/12/2024 13:07

Noihin · 26/12/2024 07:31

No. That's not the concern. My dad and new partner are very settled in their relationship and independent lives, homes and have no intention to marry or move in together. And his new partner is older than him, has no children of her own, no siblings, no nieces or nephews and doesnt seem at all interested in my dads belongings. She is well off, owns her own home and drives a better car than him.
My dad has kept everything as my mum left it. Respected her traditions and has looked after the set and everything else well. He has his issues, but he is honest and trustwothy. He would never sell off anything like that.

Aunt wont sell it. I recognise her emotional attachment to her parents wedding gift (i told her this) but the what she has done is not right. The deceit and grabbyness is what hurts the most.

The Christmas pies have become even more elaborate today.

PureBoggin · 26/12/2024 12:49

It seems like you are where you are with this now op. You have decided that you no longer want the silver and you no longer want a relationship with your aunt?

PureBoggin · 26/12/2024 12:48

IAm16StoneHalloween2024 · 26/12/2024 11:42

So five siblings, one (your mum) died.

Three siblings have 1/5 of family things/stuff/memories.

And one of them, unbeknown to the others, has 2/5.

I would be talking about this to other relatives, wedding or not.

Do the other cousins know if their parent dies it might happen to them too, they lose the stuff their parent cherished?

Why does your aunt want more than anyone else?

What do you think this would achieve I wonder?

IAm16StoneHalloween2024 · 26/12/2024 11:42

So five siblings, one (your mum) died.

Three siblings have 1/5 of family things/stuff/memories.

And one of them, unbeknown to the others, has 2/5.

I would be talking about this to other relatives, wedding or not.

Do the other cousins know if their parent dies it might happen to them too, they lose the stuff their parent cherished?

Why does your aunt want more than anyone else?

Noihin · 26/12/2024 11:17

Calliecarpa · 26/12/2024 10:36

I don't slag off the socks

You kind of did, though, by writing "Hand-knitted socks! They completely lack the warmth i thought there was in between us."

The exclamation mark, and the way you seem to think someone making a personal gift for you with her own hands 'completely lacks' any warmth, does come across as slagging off the gift.

The exclamation mark was to point out the dissonance there is between these two actions. Handmade versus sneakyness. It is showing my confusion about the relationship.
I have a hand knitted pair i remeber my mum knitting for me and they are my prized possession (more important than this family silver for sure). I dont even let my kids wear them, no matter how cold. I can see her knitting 'handwriting' in them and that is beyond precious.

My aunt is a skilled knitter. She knits dozens of things for all her nieces and nephews each year (at least for the ones she knows appreciate them. Like i do).

OP posts:
ScribblingPixie · 26/12/2024 11:09

Which country are you in that the children not the spouse inherit?

The Netherlands, for instance.

Not true.

Jewel1968 · 26/12/2024 10:53

I think the silver was your Dad's to give away. I think any anger should be directed at him. Why didn't he tell you in the summer?

I kinda understand your aunt in that she felt a connection to the silver and probably thought your dad didn't (and maybe she was right given he gave them to her) and you didn't physically own the silver so were not connected to it. Had you and your siblings taken some of the bits I think your aunt would never have asked for anything.

I think you are right and your aunt is upset that your dad has moved on. She is still grieving her sister.

I understand you are hurting but take some time and see if you can forgive her.

AsTheLightFades · 26/12/2024 10:48

Wow, you changed your tune and escalated a situation OP. And your reaction appears somewhat extreme
You 'loved' her because she helped with your family, lent you her car, etc, yet you are throwing this in the air because of a bit of your Grandparent's silver that you only use at Christmas?
Yes, your mum got this when her parents died, but your Aunt, as a daughter of your GP, and as a sister to your mum, might well have thought that it was to be hers after your mum died (because originally, the silver had been her mum and dad,s). Who knows what your mum, aunt and other siblings agreed when they divied your GP belongings between them. You may be assuming it should be yours because of 'tradition', but your mum may have verbally agreed it went to your aunt when she died.
I think if you're prepared to go NC with this woman after something you could actually solve by having oh, I don't know, oh yes, a conversation, after all she has done for you, I think a look in the mirror is called for.

the7Vabo · 26/12/2024 10:45

Blanketssese · 26/12/2024 10:34

OP your aunt has chosen to damage your relationship with her awful behaviour.
I think you definitely should inform your siblings BEFORE the wedding.
They are entitled to know.

Its beyond the item, it is just shabby vulgar behaviour that I wouldn't want to be around.

No, it’s someone else’s wedding, it wouldn’t be fair to have a row about a set of silverware overshadow it.

In rows about inheritance somebody often has to choose to be the bigger person.

The reality is that it wasn’t the OP silverware, it was in her dad’s house, it was his to give and he did. He is fully mentally competent but the sounds of things.

Don’t let a row about stuff destroy a family.

SALaw · 26/12/2024 10:42

user1492757084 · 25/12/2024 11:11

It was not your Dad's to give away.
I would raise the issue with your Aunt.

Ask after your mother's silver.
Tell her you expect to have it back for special occasions and charge her to take good care of it while she borrows it.
I would also go so far as to have a lawyer write a letter to the same.and detailing the fact that your mother's silver is in her care.

It WAS her Dad's to give away. And if the Dad marries the girlfriend and dies, it would be that wife's, unless he specifically mentions it in a will. The OP mentions inheritance laws. That's how it works.

Calliecarpa · 26/12/2024 10:36

Noihin · 26/12/2024 09:53

I don't slag off the socks 😆 She is a pro-knitter. I thanked her for them, even though i was hurt by the othef stuff. And i actually prefer hand-knitted socks over any other present. Im a knitter myself. My mum was a pro-knitter. I know the amount of work that goes into them. I have about 20 pairs of hand-knitted socks in my house made by her or my mum over the years. I love them!

I don't slag off the socks

You kind of did, though, by writing "Hand-knitted socks! They completely lack the warmth i thought there was in between us."

The exclamation mark, and the way you seem to think someone making a personal gift for you with her own hands 'completely lacks' any warmth, does come across as slagging off the gift.

Blanketssese · 26/12/2024 10:34

OP your aunt has chosen to damage your relationship with her awful behaviour.
I think you definitely should inform your siblings BEFORE the wedding.
They are entitled to know.

Its beyond the item, it is just shabby vulgar behaviour that I wouldn't want to be around.

westisbest1982 · 26/12/2024 10:34

Nobody has inherited anything in this situation, which is part of the issue.

Why oh why can’t some people with estates of any amounts get their shit together and cough up a few hundred lousy quid to sort out a will? It would mean a hell of a lot less heartbreak and stress amongst some bereaved families.

NCembarassed · 26/12/2024 10:26

It's shit how inheritance turns people.

My Dad died a while back. Sib is preventing any distribution of the Estate as I won't agree to their terms (which is more 80:20 in their favour). I'm not close to the extended family, but was hoping to change that- and they said they're open to it at the funeral. Since then, Sib has been meeting up with everyone, bad-mouthing me and saying I won't allow distribution.

Family (Dad's remaining sibs) have taken my Sibs side. I have evidence (lots) but still want to allow them to be neutral. They don't want to be. So I've never had that sib relationship (he's abusive to me), but I've now lost my extended family.

the7Vabo · 26/12/2024 10:23

Noihin · 26/12/2024 09:53

I don't slag off the socks 😆 She is a pro-knitter. I thanked her for them, even though i was hurt by the othef stuff. And i actually prefer hand-knitted socks over any other present. Im a knitter myself. My mum was a pro-knitter. I know the amount of work that goes into them. I have about 20 pairs of hand-knitted socks in my house made by her or my mum over the years. I love them!

OP it sounds like your aunt has been a such of comfort to you since your mother’s death. That she represents the familiar. You’d be losing a lot to let all that go.

Noihin · 26/12/2024 09:53

CarefulN0w · 26/12/2024 08:51

Someone slagging off hand knitted socks isn't someone who isn't materialistic.

I don't slag off the socks 😆 She is a pro-knitter. I thanked her for them, even though i was hurt by the othef stuff. And i actually prefer hand-knitted socks over any other present. Im a knitter myself. My mum was a pro-knitter. I know the amount of work that goes into them. I have about 20 pairs of hand-knitted socks in my house made by her or my mum over the years. I love them!

OP posts:
Newdaynewstarts · 26/12/2024 09:37

If it belonged to your dad why would she ask your permission. It’s his.
I was with you until you said it was your grandparents wedding gift.
I mean come on you must be able to see from her pov … why should her bil, who is now in a new relationship, have her parents wedding present !

the7Vabo · 26/12/2024 09:30

okright · 26/12/2024 09:20

I know it's a kind of shitty thing to say which I why I acknowledged it could be hurtful. I meant less selfish and more unaware. I feel the ops aunt hasn't considered her as child of the dead sister

But like I said could just be an individual thing I've experienced with one person.

You could equally make a blanket statement that people with children think the world revolves around them & their children. Which isn’t of course true in all cases. Nor is it true that people without children are any more selfish or “unaware” than anyone else.

I think I’ve read most of the OP’s posts. I haven’t seen her once acknowledge that her aunt too is dealing with grief and sentiment having lost both her parents and her sister.

I would think it odd if my niece claimed to be as attached to an object gifted to my parents that I grew up with as I am.
As the OP has explained it I understand why the OP is also attached to the set. But I can see why the aunt might struggle to get it.

okright · 26/12/2024 09:20

I know it's a kind of shitty thing to say which I why I acknowledged it could be hurtful. I meant less selfish and more unaware. I feel the ops aunt hasn't considered her as child of the dead sister

But like I said could just be an individual thing I've experienced with one person.

the7Vabo · 26/12/2024 09:16

okright · 26/12/2024 09:01

Hurtful!

From her point of view, hers. Her family. Her heritage. You're a child and not considered.

From yours her actions negate the years of memory and love imbued in the object. It compounds the loss of your mum.

I'm projecting as I have a childless close aunt. The relationship is often transactional from her perspective. I give her family and heritage and future proofing. God forgive me for saying this as I know it's hurtful to people who haven't had kids but she doesn't have the perspective of someone who has children and often quite self focussed in her actions as a result.

I always find people usually preface saying something truly awful with “God forgive me..”

People who don’t have children are no more selfish then anyone else. Awful statement to make.