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To think people are becoming ruder...?

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BlackBean2023 · 24/12/2024 07:44

I took the kids out for an afternoon tea at a garden centre yesterday and there was a group of women - one with two children- at the next table. The oldest child was about three and spent most of the time sitting on the floor leaning against my chair (and coat) on her iPad. The youngest looked about 18 months and threw most of their food on the floor which the mum just left there.

I went to do the food shopping and it was carnage. People with multiple trolleys pushing into the smallest of spaces rather than parking their trolley up to the side and taking a couple of steps to the shelves.

Popped into the Co-op on way home to pick up forgotten items and there's a bloke in the queue moaning loudly about having to wait 5 minutes to be served.

I am due to meet a friend for a coffee this morning and I genuinely don't want to have to mix with people after yesterday's interactions!

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Resilienceisimportant · 24/12/2024 12:11

Because people only think about themselves. I see it all the time including posts on here. The attitude is self centered that you have to be okay first, then people need to understand your feelings, then they have to do what makes you happy and then maybe you will think about them.

Look on any post here and you will see it.

There is very little thought of others, or putting yourself out or making others happy and perhaps slight inconvenience to you.

It is really disappointing.

user1471538283 · 24/12/2024 12:03

Yes they are and it started during COVID. This constant focus on themselves and attention seeking does my head in.

We were out for lunch a couple Sundays ago and this bloke banged on about his trip to Australia so loudly and in such day by day detail that he didn't let his companions joined in. It was so stressful we left without desert.

And all the shouting into phones about inappropriate things. I do not want to know who has diarrhea in your house.

Everyone wants everyone to know everything about them. I don't. I'm not interested.

NorthernSpirit · 24/12/2024 12:02

I think some people spent too much time on their own during the Covid lockdowns and they have forgotten how to behave in public. There’s also a massive sense of self entitlement among some people.

My 81 year old mother was travelling on a train recently and a kid (with their parent) had their feet / shoes on the seat. My mother (who is always very polite) asked the parent to ask their child to take the shoes off the seat. They responded rudely and said they wouldn’t as it would upset the child.

I was on a train recently and a girl got in next to me and started watching videos on loud speaker (this absolutely boils my piss). I very politely asked her if she could pop some earphones in. She told me I was weird. Not weird I responded, just well mannered and not self entitled.

I’m just back from Japan where everyone is so polite and considerate. This country has gone to shit.

woodlandstream · 24/12/2024 11:50

MaryYellann · 24/12/2024 08:20

I was sitting near a family (mum, two daughters) in the cinema recently.

The girls got up to the toilet several times in the first hour or so, disturbing me each time as I was at the end of the row so they had to keep climbing over my legs. They were also taking pictures with their flash on and watching TikTok on their phones. They were having conversations at normal volume and giggling loudly, mum said nothing and sat there vaping then left for about 30 mins.

They started videoing and the flash was directly shining in to my face so I turned towards them and said "Do you mind? That's really bright". Got a mouthfull off the mother for this who then proceeded to sarcastically tell them to be quiet/not move/ not breathe in case it upset the "big lady" then told me off because I was being noisy by shoving a sweet wrapper in my bag.

I ignored her because I didn't want to disturb other people trying to watch the film but I was really shocked at how rude and inconsiderate they were.

I definitely think people have more of a brass neck nowadays.

This is why I never go to the cinema any more! People have ruined it.

The last time I went was to see the Baz Luhrman Elvis biopic and someone brought a baby with them. A BABY! It ended up wailing/screaming and the mum had to leave after 45 mins after about 20 mins of trying to pacify it. Everyone was so pissed off.

I dont know WTF is wrong with people. I get babies are hard (I've had two) but what on earth is the point of bringing them to the cinema? just watch it on netflix at home once its out FFS.

Now I will only watch films at home - much more comfortable and less annoying.

Andtheworldwentwhite · 24/12/2024 11:46

i was in Aldi yesterday. A man was letting his daughter do cartwheels down all the aisle. At Christmas time. People were trying to get out the way. I hate people.

LushLemonTart · 24/12/2024 11:45

My adult dss and adult dsd have fantastic manners. As do dgcs. They've been brought up that way.

At Halloween, all the dc who came to my door were polite. A lot weren't prompted.

LushLemonTart · 24/12/2024 11:43

WhatNoRaisins · 24/12/2024 11:36

No and I don't really behave like that myself but I can see how it's easier to rationalize that sort of thing in a more anonymous world.

Ok just from your post sounded like you agreed. That's good.

ichundich · 24/12/2024 11:42

BlackBean2023 · 24/12/2024 07:44

I took the kids out for an afternoon tea at a garden centre yesterday and there was a group of women - one with two children- at the next table. The oldest child was about three and spent most of the time sitting on the floor leaning against my chair (and coat) on her iPad. The youngest looked about 18 months and threw most of their food on the floor which the mum just left there.

I went to do the food shopping and it was carnage. People with multiple trolleys pushing into the smallest of spaces rather than parking their trolley up to the side and taking a couple of steps to the shelves.

Popped into the Co-op on way home to pick up forgotten items and there's a bloke in the queue moaning loudly about having to wait 5 minutes to be served.

I am due to meet a friend for a coffee this morning and I genuinely don't want to have to mix with people after yesterday's interactions!

Not sure but this time of year more people are going out than normally; so their bad behaviour is more noticeable.

Gowlett · 24/12/2024 11:40

Worked in retail over the years, but it’s much worse now...
Saw a man simply point to the item he wanted, yesterday.

LushLemonTart · 24/12/2024 11:39

Annabella92 · 24/12/2024 08:14

Back in the day communities were made up of friends, family and neighbours. We were all a network of extended kin and there were common standards we all understood and adhered to. Now all we see are strangers when we go out, a soup of atomised and isolated individuals. There are no longer common standards we share and could expect from others, people just do whatever they want because who cares? We can now, we're no longer bonded by these fussy old strictures that limit our choices. We're all free individuals to do as we please and so we do.

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I live in an old mining village. Apart from a select few the people are much nicer to each other than in towns/cities. We have lots that have moved here from the south and they love it. Some were forced some chose to and bought the cheap houses.

WhatNoRaisins · 24/12/2024 11:36

LushLemonTart · 24/12/2024 11:35

So you're saying it's ok?

No and I don't really behave like that myself but I can see how it's easier to rationalize that sort of thing in a more anonymous world.

Flipchop · 24/12/2024 11:36

Annabella92 · 24/12/2024 08:14

Back in the day communities were made up of friends, family and neighbours. We were all a network of extended kin and there were common standards we all understood and adhered to. Now all we see are strangers when we go out, a soup of atomised and isolated individuals. There are no longer common standards we share and could expect from others, people just do whatever they want because who cares? We can now, we're no longer bonded by these fussy old strictures that limit our choices. We're all free individuals to do as we please and so we do.

Edited

This 100%. Also living in the era of no shame or embarrassment, ‘main character syndrome’ and serious delusions of who people think they are due to social media

LushLemonTart · 24/12/2024 11:35

WhatNoRaisins · 24/12/2024 11:27

It makes sense to me. That person I barge past to grab the last toilet roll is probably someone I'd never have any contact with again. It's very different if you live a lifestyle where everyone does communal crop harvesting or field plowing or whatever equivalent. You're not going to want to piss your neighbours off then.

So you're saying it's ok?

LushLemonTart · 24/12/2024 11:34

MaryYellann · 24/12/2024 08:20

I was sitting near a family (mum, two daughters) in the cinema recently.

The girls got up to the toilet several times in the first hour or so, disturbing me each time as I was at the end of the row so they had to keep climbing over my legs. They were also taking pictures with their flash on and watching TikTok on their phones. They were having conversations at normal volume and giggling loudly, mum said nothing and sat there vaping then left for about 30 mins.

They started videoing and the flash was directly shining in to my face so I turned towards them and said "Do you mind? That's really bright". Got a mouthfull off the mother for this who then proceeded to sarcastically tell them to be quiet/not move/ not breathe in case it upset the "big lady" then told me off because I was being noisy by shoving a sweet wrapper in my bag.

I ignored her because I didn't want to disturb other people trying to watch the film but I was really shocked at how rude and inconsiderate they were.

I definitely think people have more of a brass neck nowadays.

That's appalling. And calling you big ffs! She's lucky it wasn't me.

BlackBean2023 · 24/12/2024 11:31

WhatNoRaisins · 24/12/2024 11:27

It makes sense to me. That person I barge past to grab the last toilet roll is probably someone I'd never have any contact with again. It's very different if you live a lifestyle where everyone does communal crop harvesting or field plowing or whatever equivalent. You're not going to want to piss your neighbours off then.

I work on the premise that the person I don't barge past has had an awful day and a small smile, or a bit of patience, could be difference to them having a slightly better day.

The Be Kind movement only seems to apply after some form of celebrity tragedy.

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WhatNoRaisins · 24/12/2024 11:27

It makes sense to me. That person I barge past to grab the last toilet roll is probably someone I'd never have any contact with again. It's very different if you live a lifestyle where everyone does communal crop harvesting or field plowing or whatever equivalent. You're not going to want to piss your neighbours off then.

Annabella92 · 24/12/2024 10:59

Afraidofhimrightnow · 24/12/2024 08:19

I posted a while ago in a similar thread about there being a social contract because of connections we used to have to our communities. Many people responded to say this was nonsense and people have always done as they pleased and dismissed the idea of shared values and implicit agreements about behavioural norms. I have no research to back it up though.

Ferdinand Tonnies - Gesellschaft and Gemeinschaft

Emile Durkheim - Mechanical and Organic solidarity (in fact, all of Durkheim if this interests you)

Georg Simmel - The Metropolis and Mental Life

Zygmunt Bauman - Liquid Modernity

Ernest Burgess - zones of transition

Robert Putnam - Diversity and Community in the Twenty-first Century

That's just a start, there's loads and loads and loads of research into social fragmentation.

MaryYellann · 24/12/2024 10:00

SleepyHippy3 · 24/12/2024 08:54

Thats such rubbish behaviour but then, what do you expect from a pleb who’s raising her kids to be as entitled as her.

I wasn't even that pissed off at the girls, who were about 9 or 10, but their parent should have checked their behaviour.

SleepyHippy3 · 24/12/2024 09:11

RosesAndHellebores · 24/12/2024 08:49

I have never experienced people behaving badly at the theatre or cinema.

I don't think people are too bad on the roads or on the trains, although the tube shocks me nowadays as many people don't wait for passenger to get off before bundling in.

What I find increasingly is poor service at the tills in shops. Mostly the little supermarkets attached to petrol stations and a couple if large chain stores (Boots particularly) where the staff no longer say please and thank you. They aren't rude as such, just lacking the basics.

I think in shops, it’s when the person at the till, or the person at the self check outs, almost completely ignores you. So there are these 2 ladies working at my local big supermarket, who are at the self check outs, when ever you you ask them for help, or they need to approve something etc, if they are chatting they will look at you like you have 3 heads, if you have interrupted them. Then one of the ladies came over to sort out the problem, but continuing to talk to her friend, not even looking at me. A moment later, the same issue occurred with the self scanner, and again I interrupted them talking , and then the same lady came over, quite huffy and puffy now, asking me what the problem is? But then carried on chatting to the other lady. Not nice at all

BlackBean2023 · 24/12/2024 09:10

My DD works in retail part time - she's been very grumpy this week, didn't think it might be because she's had rude customers at work!

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AgnesX · 24/12/2024 08:55

OrwellianTimes · 24/12/2024 08:36

YANBU. I see it most on the roads. So many utter aggressive idiots who think it’s their right to hog both lanes, swerve into you, cut you up and laugh. They seem to think they are invincible.

On the M6 on Saturday, the number of middle lane hoggers was insane. Totally oblivious to their surroundings ( ie other people needing/wanting to overtake).

SleepyHippy3 · 24/12/2024 08:54

MaryYellann · 24/12/2024 08:20

I was sitting near a family (mum, two daughters) in the cinema recently.

The girls got up to the toilet several times in the first hour or so, disturbing me each time as I was at the end of the row so they had to keep climbing over my legs. They were also taking pictures with their flash on and watching TikTok on their phones. They were having conversations at normal volume and giggling loudly, mum said nothing and sat there vaping then left for about 30 mins.

They started videoing and the flash was directly shining in to my face so I turned towards them and said "Do you mind? That's really bright". Got a mouthfull off the mother for this who then proceeded to sarcastically tell them to be quiet/not move/ not breathe in case it upset the "big lady" then told me off because I was being noisy by shoving a sweet wrapper in my bag.

I ignored her because I didn't want to disturb other people trying to watch the film but I was really shocked at how rude and inconsiderate they were.

I definitely think people have more of a brass neck nowadays.

Thats such rubbish behaviour but then, what do you expect from a pleb who’s raising her kids to be as entitled as her.

RosesAndHellebores · 24/12/2024 08:49

I have never experienced people behaving badly at the theatre or cinema.

I don't think people are too bad on the roads or on the trains, although the tube shocks me nowadays as many people don't wait for passenger to get off before bundling in.

What I find increasingly is poor service at the tills in shops. Mostly the little supermarkets attached to petrol stations and a couple if large chain stores (Boots particularly) where the staff no longer say please and thank you. They aren't rude as such, just lacking the basics.

OrwellianTimes · 24/12/2024 08:36

YANBU. I see it most on the roads. So many utter aggressive idiots who think it’s their right to hog both lanes, swerve into you, cut you up and laugh. They seem to think they are invincible.

FrenchFancie · 24/12/2024 08:27

Oh god, I was out yesterday with my father who is visiting (we have a tricky relationship at the best of times!) and he was so rude in the little pharmacy in my village - the woman asked if he was paying by card or cash and he just waved his card at her without answering! I wanted the ground to open up and a willow me.

i would have called him out on it but couldn’t cope with the argument it would cause.

i really feel for those working in retail at this time of year, I’m so sorry you have to put up with the general public, you have my sympathy