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To Tell SIL To Stop Claiming Things?

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Addyview · 23/12/2024 04:03

I've been with DH a very long time and we have a child together, I get on well with his brother but his brothers wife is another story. She's nice enough most of the time but makes a lot of situations very awkward because of how tight she is. Whenever she comes round if I offer her something to eat she says things like "Yes, can you also wrap some up for me to take home" no matter what it is! There's a million examples I can give but she basically won't pay for anything and is always on the scrounge.
My husbands brother earns a lot of money and so does his wife so its not like they ever struggle, BIL says its just who she is and does try to stop her.
Anyway on Christmas they're coming for dinner but last year was so uncomfortable because she basically laid claim to everything she saw. Every present she saw me open she was asking if she could have it if I didn't like it or when I was fed up of it, she was pointing at things on the dinner table saying she'd take the leftovers home and telling other guests to not eat it all! It really got on my nerves by the end of the day.
She's coming this year and me and DH are both in agreement that we need to say she can't behave like that because it makes everyone else awkward but BIL has asked us to leave it alone and just ignore her because she gets embarrassed. I'm half tempted to just cancel BIL and his wife altogether if I'm honest.
I'm several years into this womans impolite behaviour and it's casting a bit of a dark cloud over Christmas because I'm dreading her making everyone else feel uncomfortable when she starts! So to me my two options are ring her in the morning and tell her to not behave that way or uninvite them both and tell BIL why. I simply cannot have another Christmas day like last years.

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theleafandnotthetree · 23/12/2024 09:52

In a way, the fact that her behaviour is so completely over the top and batshit is to your advantage. There is no one on earth - including your other guests - who would think you weren't justified in responding very firmly to her if this nonsense arises this year. The trickier things to deal with are where someone is a 'bit' odd or mean or quirky. She is so far off the reservation, you will be able to bring out your big guns without you looking bad.
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AirborneElephant · 23/12/2024 09:52

Addyview · 23/12/2024 04:22

It's been playing on my mind since DH asked his brother over again this Christmas last month.
Her behaviour is strange but it's more that she's made it her personality now. She will gladly sit and brag that she gets all she can for free out of life and doesn't like paying for things. Whenever we've approached it in the past like when we told her we didn't like that she refused to pay her share on a family meal out she basically told us she would rather we didn't invite her than expect her to fork out any money for things she's not interested in.

Then you should give her that choice. Give her a call and ask her to stop doing this, and that if she feels she can’t and would rather not come then you fully understand

Addyview · 23/12/2024 09:51

I think I've read everyone's replies so I'll answer you all here now I've woke back up. My reason for being awake so late is specifically down to SIL and the dread of her.

She's late 20s and grew up in a middle class family, no struggles but her parents are also pretty tight, nowhere near her level and her mum hates her own daughters behaviour from what I've seen.
In the past I have let her take food home because it was awkward to say no. I stopped inviting her round for coffee and a catch up because if I offered her a biscuit or a sandwich she'd ask for extra to take home and it was weird.
On Christmas I try to laugh it off and just say no when she asks for presents but it just goes further where she will then say its not my sort of thing and she'd get more out of it, I did get a little firmer by the end of the day last year but it didn't seem to deter her any. DH ate as much as he could when she asked people to not eat all of something she wanted so he could prove a point but again she would just push further.
Saying a firm no to this woman likely wouldn't do much and hasn't worked in the past. My other SIL called her a scrounger to her face once and she got upset but carried on once BIL argued back. I do think BIL doesn't see she cries a lot of crocodile tears so she doesn't have to stop this behaviour.
I don't think she has MH issues but I'm not a professional. She just gets a kick out of saving money, I've seen her stand and haggle in a charity shop, to me she has no shame in her.

I should have said no to them coming but I really like people coming. I'm NC with my own family and only my manager and his wife come that are my guests, the rest are DH family and friends.
I think today will be an awkward phone call to BIL to let him know it's either got to be addressed and her told no or they can't come. I know it's last minute to do this but the anxiety I get from the tension on Christmas day isn't worth all this.

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Tryingtomakeitthroughtheweek · 23/12/2024 09:50

Bil doesn't want to embarrass her, she needs to be embarrassed it sounds like its the only thing that will stop her, very odd behavior ....

wheelywheelynice · 23/12/2024 09:49

JeremiahBullfrog · 23/12/2024 09:02

Cook her something easy, freeze it, and tell her before the meal that you've made it specially for her to eat the next day (or whenever). Then it's "oh no remember you don't need to take the spare turkey, remember the spag bol I made for you in the freezer??"

What a stupid idea

MrsSunshine2b · 23/12/2024 09:48

As PPs have said I think it's something that would be better tackled "in the moment," with a bit of a jokey angle. If she asks for a present you've just opened, "Hang on a sec Jane, give me a chance to enjoy it before planning a takeover!"

If she starts going on about taking home leftovers, "Uhoh, did you forget to order your Christmas shopping in time? Don't worry, I'm sure we can make you a sandwich to keep you going tomorrow until the shops reopen. I'll send you a calendar invite for next year! Come one everyone, I'll take offense if there are any leftovers from this meal!"

Puzzledandpissedoff · 23/12/2024 09:46

I would NOT be using a gentle tone I’d be using a tone of voice and sentence that is serious enough to cause an awkward silence
create that awkward moment and keep creating them ( politely and non aggressively) and her husband and her will eventually have words
do a Paddington bear stare and say “ please don’t say things like that it’s embarrassing then stare and pause “ it’s the pause that will make it awkward
Stare “ are you seriously asking me to say I don’t like this and give it to you ? “ ….pause …how do you think that would make ( giver of present ) feel? ….pause… if i didn’t like it I’d get a refund for me … wouldn’t I ? …Pause …. Stare
try to breath slowly in the awkward atmosphere
Be prepared for non of it to work …

More good advice, @pimplebum
And by agreeing with the "gentle tone" I didn't mean to dodge handling this, just to deliver the message calmly and quietly, which can be a lot more effective than outright rudeness and avoid claims they're being "attacked"

WrongWrongWrongAgain · 23/12/2024 09:42

I'm a big fan of letting the people who are making something awkward or embarrassing feel awkward or embarassed or ashamed themselves. We're very nice as a society and try to prevent people from feeling like that as a general rule, but that system doesn't work when somebody whose behaviour should make them feel that way is shameless about it. Allow her to feel the slightly unpleasant emotion, don't carry it for her, that's what she's relying on in order to continue with her outrageous behaviour - and her H is part of the problem!

I'd rip the plaster off and ring DBIL now and in right NOW and avoid procrastinating dealing with it head on for any longer.

"DBIL, if DSIL behaves in the way she has done in previous years it will put a shitter on Christmas and it's not something I'm willing to tolerate any more. Either you tell her in advance that she must refrain entirely from asking for leftovers, other people's gifts and generally acting like a deprived character out of a Dickensian book, or don't bring her. If she displays anything like that behaviour I will be telling her firmly and not kindly to stop, and if she does it again you will both need to leave immediately. It is not acceptable behaviour in my household or indeed in my company, and everybody else should not have their Christmas shat upon from a great height because she will feel a bit embarrassed to be told to stop behaving inappropriately."

SprigatitoYouAndIKnow · 23/12/2024 09:41

I'd be billing them for anything they try to take. That might stop BIL telling you to let her do what she likes and not make a scene. I would also wonder if she has any childhood trauma with lack of resources, or obsessive compulsive conditions, as thisnis very far from socially acceptable.

oakleaffy · 23/12/2024 09:36

Puzzledandpissedoff · 23/12/2024 09:29

Absolutely perfect ... in other words put the embarrassment back on her and explain how she's making others feel

She may well not care and you might even get tears, but if she storms off I'd say that's a win, and providing you stay calm when telling her you'll be in the clear

It definitely needs sorting and the suggestion above is indeed very good.

Hopefully Freddie Freeloader won't come.

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Tahlbias · 23/12/2024 09:36

I wouldn't invite her tbh. She sounds selfish and thinks the world owes her but scrounging. People like this makes me really angry.

pimplebum · 23/12/2024 09:35

I would NOT be using a gentle tone I’d be using a tone of voice and sentence that is serious enough to cause an awkward silence
create that awkward moment and keep creating them ( politely and non aggressively) and her husband and her will eventually have words
do a Paddington bear stare and say “ please don’t say things like that it’s embarrassing then stare and pause “ it’s the pause that will make it awkward
Stare “ are you seriously asking me to say I don’t like this and give it to you ? “ ….pause …how do you think that would make ( giver of present ) feel? ….pause… if i didn’t like it I’d get a refund for me … wouldn’t I ? …Pause …. Stare

try to breath slowly in the awkward atmosphere

Be prepared for non of it to work …

i saw a documentary once about people who were pathologically tight like this and they needed a top notch therapist to help them and at the end they were still bad , it’s like hoarding it has deep roots and very hard to treat

next time you have a meal out make it very clear repeatedly to her “ this meal will cost you £60-80 roughly and you will be expected to pay don’t. Don’t come if you are going to fuss “

BellissimoGecko · 23/12/2024 09:31

She sounds like she just doesn't care enough about seeing family. Does she ever host?

oakleaffy · 23/12/2024 09:31

Addyview · 23/12/2024 04:22

It's been playing on my mind since DH asked his brother over again this Christmas last month.
Her behaviour is strange but it's more that she's made it her personality now. She will gladly sit and brag that she gets all she can for free out of life and doesn't like paying for things. Whenever we've approached it in the past like when we told her we didn't like that she refused to pay her share on a family meal out she basically told us she would rather we didn't invite her than expect her to fork out any money for things she's not interested in.

@Addyview She sounds deranged.
What a bloody cheek...She's a natural born scrounger on a good wage..

But did she know extreme poverty in childhood?
{unlikely} That's the only reason I can think of to explain away such grabby vulture like {as another PP said} behaviours.

I'd uninvite her.

Awful behaviour.

PromoJoJo · 23/12/2024 09:30

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 23/12/2024 09:29

Dontsparethehorses · 23/12/2024 05:24

I definitely agree you need to talk to her before she comes - explain it made you really uncomfortable when she asked if she could have your presents and when she told other guests they couldn’t eat as much as they wanted. You just wanted to get in touch to let her know you really can’t have either of those things take place at Christmas this year. Thank her in advance for understanding. She either gets embarrassed and doesn’t come or she comes and if she starts you ask her to help you in the other room and remind her/ agree that DH will challenge her since he invited her?

Absolutely perfect ... in other words put the embarrassment back on her and explain how she's making others feel

She may well not care and you might even get tears, but if she storms off I'd say that's a win, and providing you stay calm when telling her you'll be in the clear

niadainud · 23/12/2024 09:28

Addyview · 23/12/2024 04:22

It's been playing on my mind since DH asked his brother over again this Christmas last month.
Her behaviour is strange but it's more that she's made it her personality now. She will gladly sit and brag that she gets all she can for free out of life and doesn't like paying for things. Whenever we've approached it in the past like when we told her we didn't like that she refused to pay her share on a family meal out she basically told us she would rather we didn't invite her than expect her to fork out any money for things she's not interested in.

Hmm, doesn't sound like she's particularly embarrassed...!

WorldKeepsSpinningRound · 23/12/2024 09:25

Christmas Day is supposed to be enjoyable. Your guests must feel so incredibly awkward being “monitored “ about how much they eat! Fuck that. I would uninvite her and explain why!

You and your guests can then enjoy Christmas Day dinner in a relaxing environment.

TinyMouseTheatre · 23/12/2024 09:24

Maurepas · 23/12/2024 08:27

Not read many PPs but wanted to say she is awful. Give her copy of Dickens '''A Christmas Carol''. Did she have very deprived childhood? Anyway she's an embarrassment to family - needs counselling?

You beat me to it! I wax going to suggest exactly this.

Someone upthread suggested a copy of a book on etiquette. How about Delia's Christmas cookbook too as she'll probably be cooking herself next year Grin

localnotail · 23/12/2024 09:23

My god, she sounds very unwell. I think she herself would benefit from people telling her she can't have stuff for free, she needs to get back into the real world!

Every time she asks for something, say NO with a face that says "are you fucking mad?" Or even said this out loud to her.

Alternatively, laugh at her and say something like "here we go again, the Leftover Freebie Queen is doing her thing". Followed by "No, you fucking cant have anything, fuck off."

Packetofcrispsplease · 23/12/2024 09:22

For Christmas 🎄, gift this woman a recipe book with all your own recipes written in it if she likes them that much she can bloody cook them herself .
And as for the asking at the actual meal for the leftovers , say no we are saving that for lunches .
As for trying to take your own Christmas gifts say no I will use that ,perhaps you ought to put that on your Christmas wish list for 2025 .
She sounds awful

Autumnalmists · 23/12/2024 09:20

Invite them to come as always.
then when she asks for your recently unwrapped gifts and asks for it reply with something such as “how rude to ask me to give you my gift that someone has thoughtfully chosen and given to me.”

Ditto when asking for food, reply with, “shall we just enjoy the meal now and if you don’t have enough food at home let us sort it out privately!” Or “rude again!”

Callipygion · 23/12/2024 09:18

user1492757084 · 23/12/2024 06:12

She has a minor mental health issue.
Don't embarress her.
Forget about it; put all the past instances behind you.
Do not take it to heart.
Start afresh every minute and answer ..

"I'm so glad you love it/enjoyed it, thank you!
Sorry, no, I'm using that tomorrow for lunch.
Would you like the recipe?"
Always have a light hearted answer to diffuse her comment.

Another thing you could do is to prepare her a small recipe book, listing all the dishes of the day. Get your kids to make one for her. Or have a festive little cake box (surprise) with a couple of left overs in it for her car trip home.

It's just her quirky personality.

Fuck that for a game of soldiers. Just tell the cheeky mare “No, you can’t” and don’t invite her again.

IlooklikeNigella · 23/12/2024 09:17

I'm finding the PPs suggesting OP just say no in the moment or give a chippy response really annoying. I'm sure OP has tried all of the above if she's lying awake at 5am and wanting to rescind the invitation.

The SIL is obviously beyond normal societal responses or hints.

It annoys me in the same way people would suggest I just say no to my (then hoarder) DH bringing stuff into the house.

People like this have developed a huge resistance to polite hints, funny remarks or even a direct no.

I also don't agree with the suggestions not to invite them again and be content with that. Why should OP have her Christmas ruined?

I say phone BIL and tell him his choices are to issue strict instructions or don't come.

XWKD · 23/12/2024 09:14

I think they both need to be told that it's not on. Her husband is enabling her behaviour. Do this in front of everyone.