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Dd choosing friend over our outing together

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Whatsthepointhey · 22/12/2024 15:40

Dd is 6.
She’s not been well for a while, but started to get better in the last few weeks.
I arranged to go to a special Christmas show as a treat, booked the tickets, we read the book and she got a fancy new dress. I was really excited about this special mother/daughter outing as it’s something I’ve always wanted to go to and to take dd felt really special.
I started to get ready earlier and was asking her to get dressed, whilst I did my make up and would do her hair. She was running around saying she was playing etc. I then heard her calling to her friend over the back, who comes to stay with her auntie some weekends.
She came running upstairs saying how she didn’t want to go to the show, wanted to play with this friend and could she please play with her as she didn’t want to go to the show, she said sorry and pleaded.
What would you have done?

OP posts:
Whatsthepointhey · 22/12/2024 17:53

@katepilar Yes, maybe it’s too early to book these types of things. I was just disappointed I suppose and feel selfish now, I just wanted a bit of normality back

OP posts:
ByQuaintAzureWasp · 22/12/2024 17:50

Who is the parent?

katepilar · 22/12/2024 17:48

MyrtleStrumpet · 22/12/2024 16:23

She's 6. Yes, she's been ill but this is a treat now she's better. If she's too ill to go to the show, she's too ill to go and play with her friend.

Also she needs to learn about commitments and agreeing. Money was spent. She agreed to go. Plans have been made. Nice dress was bought etc. If she doesn't go to the show, then she doesn't get the dress. She doesn't get to pick and choose.

If you let her do this now, when you can literally pick her up and put her in a car, how are you going to react when she is 14 and you've spent thousands on a holiday and she refuses to get on a plane?

You are not her friend. You are her mum and you have to set the rules and the boundaries. She won't always like it but this is how you bring up children to understand that the world doesn't revolve around them.

Going to a show is so much more demanding then pottering around your own garden.

GravyBoatWars · 22/12/2024 17:47

OP, I agree with a pp that the suspected PANS/PANDAS is extremely important here.

The general response here is correct if there was no background - tell her you can’t play now because you’re headed to the panto but we can play tomorrow. At that age children are largely focused on the fun thing immediately in front of them. They really struggle to weigh something that they know is fun right here and now (playing with this friend) against something that requires some waiting like going out to a show, especially when they can’t really picture what that delayed thing will be like. And they aren’t considering commitments for to others or things that have been paid for yet. As a parent I’d consider that choice above a 6 year-old’s level and make it for them.

But PANS/PANDAS changes this entirely and I’d feel far more uncertain about forcing the issue and how that can be done in a way that’s actually beneficial. Has your DD/family been able to start CBT or with psychiatric services?
I know that persistent avoiding behavior can be a problem after the initial illness and can take work to overcome but not much more beyond that.

Whatsthepointhey · 22/12/2024 17:44

woodlandwanders · 22/12/2024 17:23

PANS/ PANDAS is so uniquely horrible & traumatic, for lots of reasons - when I first read your post I thought of course id tell DD she was coming with me, until I saw that. With PANDAS, it's more about just whatever gets you both through the day. With my DD, PDA-type behaviours were a big part of it, so making her do anything would just equal a horrible day for everyone, and it would just spiral and spiral.

Solidarity & love - DD started exhibiting PANDAS symptoms on Boxing Day 2022 and though I don't think either of us will ever fully get over the trauma, I can't tell you how much better our lives are now.

You do whatever you need to to get you both through, people who haven't experienced it are unlikely to understand Flowers

Is she better now? How did she get better?

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Temporaryname158 · 22/12/2024 17:43

Don’t be so ridiculous. You are the adult and you decide what a 6 year old is doing.

if she isn’t well enough to go she’s also too ill to play with her friend.

like any normal parent, tell her to go and get ready as you are leaving soon!

TimeForATerf · 22/12/2024 17:41

Jumell · 22/12/2024 16:03

I’d have let her stay with the friend

I think independence in decision making is important for kids as they get older

JFC, she is 6, and infant. Good luck when she gets to 13 with this attitude.

Whatsthepointhey · 22/12/2024 17:41

CountessWindyBottom · 22/12/2024 17:20

Is your daughter’s recent illness PANS related or is she actually physically unwell? Just how much school has she missed? Is she just saying she is feeling unwell and not going to school or is she actually unwell?

What is the relevance of some of these questions?

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OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 22/12/2024 17:41

'it’s something I’ve always wanted to go to'

what was this show - that you have allowed her not to go to so she can stay at home and play with a friend

biscuitsandbooks · 22/12/2024 17:40

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 22/12/2024 17:19

I think a 6yo can certainly decide what they want to do for fun.

It’s hardly asking a 6yo, Should we buy solar panels or a heat pump for the house this year? Or hmm, 🤨 should I max out my pension contributions or start an ISA?

I never had any problems with mine growing up because they were able to decide what they wanted to do or did not want to do with their free time.

This wasn't a case of free activity one with Susie, or free activity two with mum. If it was, I'd agree with you.

But OP had already booked and paid for tickets for an activity - in which case the six year old gets told "tough, you're going".

Waterbaby41 · 22/12/2024 17:34

Why are you even asking? The answer is ....the show.

fanaticalfairy · 22/12/2024 17:32

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 22/12/2024 17:19

I think a 6yo can certainly decide what they want to do for fun.

It’s hardly asking a 6yo, Should we buy solar panels or a heat pump for the house this year? Or hmm, 🤨 should I max out my pension contributions or start an ISA?

I never had any problems with mine growing up because they were able to decide what they wanted to do or did not want to do with their free time.

Yes, but if they said "yes I want to see the show" on Monday and you booked the tickets and said "we're going to the show on Friday, hooray" and the they decided on Friday morning that "no actually I want to play with Katie".
You would make them honour their first arrangement. You might be able to chuck £50 at something and let your child change their mind at the last minute and be happy to suck up that loss, and allow an impulsive 6 year old to drop plans and people for a better offer, costing you £50.... But 99% of us wouldn't.

Whenindoubthugitout · 22/12/2024 17:26

I am actually disbelieving of this.
6 year olds don’t get to make these kind of decisions.

When she is a tween and completely out of control……please remember - you did this

vapourtrail · 22/12/2024 17:24

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 22/12/2024 17:19

I think a 6yo can certainly decide what they want to do for fun.

It’s hardly asking a 6yo, Should we buy solar panels or a heat pump for the house this year? Or hmm, 🤨 should I max out my pension contributions or start an ISA?

I never had any problems with mine growing up because they were able to decide what they wanted to do or did not want to do with their free time.

Even if you already had tickets and so would lose money as a result of their decision?

Grammarnut · 22/12/2024 17:24

Lillixyng · 22/12/2024 17:15

Punishing her because she is ill?

No, pointing out that pre-arranged events cannot be overturned on a whim and that if she doesn't want to go to the show playing with her friend is not an option.

Grammarnut · 22/12/2024 17:23

Whatsthepointhey · 22/12/2024 15:40

Dd is 6.
She’s not been well for a while, but started to get better in the last few weeks.
I arranged to go to a special Christmas show as a treat, booked the tickets, we read the book and she got a fancy new dress. I was really excited about this special mother/daughter outing as it’s something I’ve always wanted to go to and to take dd felt really special.
I started to get ready earlier and was asking her to get dressed, whilst I did my make up and would do her hair. She was running around saying she was playing etc. I then heard her calling to her friend over the back, who comes to stay with her auntie some weekends.
She came running upstairs saying how she didn’t want to go to the show, wanted to play with this friend and could she please play with her as she didn’t want to go to the show, she said sorry and pleaded.
What would you have done?

Told her to get ready and taken her to the show. What else?
NB Why are you asking her to get dressed? Tell her.

woodlandwanders · 22/12/2024 17:23

PANS/ PANDAS is so uniquely horrible & traumatic, for lots of reasons - when I first read your post I thought of course id tell DD she was coming with me, until I saw that. With PANDAS, it's more about just whatever gets you both through the day. With my DD, PDA-type behaviours were a big part of it, so making her do anything would just equal a horrible day for everyone, and it would just spiral and spiral.

Solidarity & love - DD started exhibiting PANDAS symptoms on Boxing Day 2022 and though I don't think either of us will ever fully get over the trauma, I can't tell you how much better our lives are now.

You do whatever you need to to get you both through, people who haven't experienced it are unlikely to understand Flowers

Sherrystrull · 22/12/2024 17:21

Please consider when allowing children to dictate things like this that they have to conform into a class of 30 at school.

The answer should have been no. We've got tickets that cost money plus the trip is important to me. Oh and you'll have a great time!

CountessWindyBottom · 22/12/2024 17:20

Is your daughter’s recent illness PANS related or is she actually physically unwell? Just how much school has she missed? Is she just saying she is feeling unwell and not going to school or is she actually unwell?

Jeschara · 22/12/2024 17:20

You have just let a six year old dictate to you. Good luck on the future with that one.
She is six, she does as she us told.

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 22/12/2024 17:19

biscuitsandbooks · 22/12/2024 17:15

I understand why you did it, but I think you're storing up problems for the future if you let your 6yo make the decisions.

I think a 6yo can certainly decide what they want to do for fun.

It’s hardly asking a 6yo, Should we buy solar panels or a heat pump for the house this year? Or hmm, 🤨 should I max out my pension contributions or start an ISA?

I never had any problems with mine growing up because they were able to decide what they wanted to do or did not want to do with their free time.

MumChp · 22/12/2024 17:19

Why did you let a 6 yo have a choice?
I don't get it.

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katepilar · 22/12/2024 17:18

Sounds like its upset you. Why?
Would you have liked to be taken out like this when you were 6 years old?

Your daughter was just being a normal 6yo, there isnt any bad intentions towards you.