Non-binary colleague using disabled toilet

It really really is when people like you peddle your dangerous ill informed nonsense. You said it.

Whatever what means? A ‘physical disability’ is hardly an abstract concept.
The idea that disabled facilities are actually an ‘accessible’ free-for-all is quite a new concept which is really quite ableist.

The disabled toilet becomes the go to for everyone. Then the disabled people can’t access them so they can’t go out.

The more disabled people are expected to share hard fought for facilities the harder it makes their life.

@nellythe trying to link anxiety to needing to use a bathroom designed for physical disabilities is an almighty stretch.

That's where we differ. I don't see disabilities as limited to those that are physical - whatever that means.

Are you somebody that would be impacted if all and sundry used the disability facilities?

And we’re not talking about men going into women’s toilets here. We’re talking about somebody who believes they are neither a man or a woman so wants a further space.

And why can't they just use the self contained single space that corresponds to their biological sex?

Have you read the thread? Lots of posts from disabled people explaining how ableist this pov is and why it isn't the solution.

This.

I would much prefer they used the accessible toilet.

So many posts on mumsnet complain out biomen using female toilets. Surely this is the sensible and reasonable action.

I don't know why you have brought people with DSDs into the discussion. That seems completely irrelevant to anything previously mentioned on the thread

Because you wrote:

*If fake vaginas weren't open wounds, they wouldn't need daily dilation to prevent them from closing up which is what wounds naturally do as the body attempts to heal itself.

There are women with variations in sex development who have also had vaginal surgeries that require daily dilation. If you knew anything about what it was like to live this reality you might understand how profoundly harmful , vicious and judgemental your words are.
But of course you have no idea, which is why you speak as you do.

I’d say so, yes. I have tablets on prescription for anxiety so I’m very understanding of it but I truly believe trying to link anxiety to needing to use a bathroom designed for physical disabilities is an almighty stretch.

So says the person who spreads drivel and call trans people "mutilated", I wouldn't take your word on it even if my life depended on it :v

If people are having operations to remove or significantly alter healthy body parts, with a very high likelihood of complications and revisions, then what else would you call it?

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This is an answer I'm also interested in. Also adding a lifetime of medication - and the medical issues this can lead to - and medical interventions ("vaginia" dilation because the non operational false organ doesn't work, as an example) to maintain the falsehood. It's actually fucking cruel to let someone live this.

Would it still be rubbish if the cause of the anxiety were something other than being NB?

There is absolutely nothing about being NB that remotely qualifies you to use disabled facilities or for society to make adjustments.

@Tandora I haven't expressed disgust; I've just explained the reality.

I'm sure there are men who are happy with the genital surgery which has been performed on them but there are also many who are distressed and wish that the reality had been explained to them prior to surgery.

I don't know why you have brought people with DSDs into the discussion. That seems completely irrelevant to anything previously mentioned on the thread.

If fake vaginas weren't open wounds, they wouldn't need daily dilation to prevent them from closing up which is what wounds naturally do as the body attempts to heal itself.

There are lots of trans women and women with variations in sex development who have had surgeries requiring dilation and are very happy with their bodies regardless of your disgust.

Also this:

People who go on puberty blockers too soon will be infertile if they don't stop them before going onto cross sex hormones

The manipulation in this statement is wild: “if they don’t stop them before going on to cross sex hormones”.

PBs don’t cause infertility.

CSH may result in infertility especially with long term use.

Some facts.

https://www.ohsu.edu/sites/default/files/2020-12/Gender-Clinic-Fertility-Preservation-Handout.pdf

The majority of (trans) children who are prescribed PBs go on to take CSH because trans children usually also need CSH. (It’s like saying the majority of cancer patients who have surgery to remove a lump also have chemo/ radiotherapy and then concluding that surgery causes chemo!).

You did share a definition and @Grammarnut has explained the reality.

If fake vaginas weren't open wounds, they wouldn't need daily dilation to prevent them from closing up which is what wounds naturally do as the body attempts to heal itself.

Not true. Peer reviewed studies show that between 65 and 95% of trans young people are cured of their gender dysphoria by undergoing normal puberty

absolute rubbish.

I shared a definition of gender affirming care upthread.

Anyone who thinks…children should be prescribed puberty blockers… should be in jail.

Dear. God.
It’s a wild, scary place this website sometimes.

Or you could say that society is important, people should care about others, it's nice to be nice and so able bodied people who aren't personally affected when other able bodied people use disabled toilets, should speak up about it, they should point out that there's a reason that disabled people need accessible toilets and that by using those toilets when they don't need to, they may be making life more difficult for someone whose disability already has a significant impact on their day to day life.

I think you have to stay out of it, they may have health issues that radar key is for, that they don't wish to disclose.

The fact a tiny minority see themselves as 'neither' of those things, you could say, isn't society's problem to resolve.

i suppose it depends if you believe it's no big deal to let that "tiny minority" use a toilet that's non-binary (because disabled toilets are unisex), provided there's no queue/very quiet/they quickly use it, leave it clean for the next person, and get out etc. because, as you say, they are a tiny minority (0.0448% of the UK population). And that there's nuance, and that's life, and it's nice to be nice.

or there's no such thing as society (go, Maggie Thatcher), people should only care about themselves and can be as mean as they like to anyone who needs something no matter how tiny and insignificant that need is, that doesn't materially affect or harm anyone, but the roolz are the roolz and we must stop people breaking them. even if it's none of our business.

Local toilets for local people