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Non-binary colleague using disabled toilet

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DefendingPan · 22/12/2024 10:14

Where I work there’s employee male and female toilets, customer male and female toilets and one customer disabled toilet.

This colleague is non-binary, is not disabled, and uses the disabled toilet/ baby change (with their own Radar key) because they “don’t feel comfortable) using either the male or female toilets.

I mentioned to my boss that I didn’t think this was appropriate and got accused of transphobia and threatened with discipline. I was made to feel like I was being offensive and discriminatory for bringing it up.

We have many elderly customers and many young families who all also need to use it.

Was I being unreasonable?

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DragonFly98 · 22/12/2024 11:02

FourEyesGood · 22/12/2024 10:18

Until there is a unisex toilet or one dedicated to those who are non-binary, there is nowhere else for this person to go.

Really, how does it affect you? It’s not as if they’re in there all day, is it? (If they are, that’s a bigger issue.)

This person has someone to go don’t be ridiculous. They can go to the toilet for their sec. Or as I have read now they are single occupancy whatever toilet they “feel” their brain aligns to that day!

SkylarkKitten · 22/12/2024 11:02

Not all disabilities are visable. If using a gender stated toilet causes mental health distress, then that's just as much a disability as a physical one. Your colleague could also have a disability that they don't wish to discuss.

It's not causing you any direct impact, so I don't think it's any of your business. Sorry, but I don't think you needed to raise it as an issue with management.

I am physically disabled, but that doesn't mean I expect to have a toilet available 24/7. Sometimes you have to wait - such is life

nellythe · 22/12/2024 11:00

DaphneduMaureen · 22/12/2024 10:59

You can need to use the toilet without being disabled. It’s just a toilet that happens to be adapted for ease of use by people with disabilities.

Then what’s the point in radar keys? Yes, I know they’re available online. However the point is that they’re NOT free to use for all and sundry.

hopelessholly1 · 22/12/2024 11:00

Scabetty · 22/12/2024 10:16

What would you suggest they do?

he is male. what about the men's?

You clearly aren't disabled and don't know what it's like if you need access but can't because some entitled idiots are blocking it.

CatsndtheBear · 22/12/2024 11:00

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This!!!

naemates · 22/12/2024 11:00

So by last week's thread, parents shouldn't use the baby change if it's been put in a disabled toilet, but someone who thinks they're a bit special is fine to use it?

What if it's a non binary parent, are they special or not?

SapphireSeptember · 22/12/2024 11:00

Hoppinggreen · 22/12/2024 10:56

Some people DO seem confused about their sex and don't believe its as simple as looking in the mirror naked.

Some people are confused about lots of things, that's still not a disability though.

DragonFly98 · 22/12/2024 10:59

Tooes · 22/12/2024 10:15

I don't blame them, the disabled toilets tend to be be much nicer.

And are fir the sole use of people with disabilities and quite often people who need to change their child.

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DaphneduMaureen · 22/12/2024 10:59

nellythe · 22/12/2024 10:58

“I need a piss, I go where there is a toilet free.”

Meanwhile a disabled person who desperately needs those facilities has to wait. Why do you think you have the moral high ground?

Unless this thread has been shared on some anti-disability & pro-gender neutral group then I’m astounded by the comments on here.

You can need to use the toilet without being disabled. It’s just a toilet that happens to be adapted for ease of use by people with disabilities.

DragonFly98 · 22/12/2024 10:58

Scabetty · 22/12/2024 10:16

What would you suggest they do?

Use the toilet for the sex that they are. How is this confusing for you?

MumblesParty · 22/12/2024 10:58

Hoppinggreen · 22/12/2024 10:56

Some people DO seem confused about their sex and don't believe its as simple as looking in the mirror naked.

No they don’t. It’s all just an act to make themselves feel special.

Scabetty · 22/12/2024 10:58

I work in a school with not enough toilets for females so often use the accessible toilet as do all the staff on that side of the building. Non issue.

Eyresandgraces · 22/12/2024 10:58

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 22/12/2024 10:54

Oh don’t be silly. So long as the colleague isn’t hogging the toilet whilst queues of wheelchairs build up outside, this is a total non issue.

Your comment proves you don’t understand why disabled people need not only better but quicker access to a toilet.
if you’re not very mobile you’re much more likely to be incontinent. Walking strengthens the bladder muscles. This is why elderly people become incontinent because they don’t walk as far.
If you are immobile when you need the toilet you need it quickly in most cases.

Hairyesterdaygonetoday · 22/12/2024 10:58

I find this argument bizarre - that disabled toilets should always be kept unoccupied just incase a disabled person wants to use it, as they can't be expected to wait. Why ever not? The rest of us are expected to.

I hope to god this is a deliberate wind-up. Does any adult not understand that many disabilities cause bladder or bowel
weakness, or slowness and difficulty in getting onto the toilet?

Timble · 22/12/2024 10:58

I’m sure the person is very aware of how people generally seem to feel about trans people using male and female toilets. I’m sure many feel they can’t get it right. I’d have no issue with someone using a disabled toilet in this instance.

DaphneduMaureen · 22/12/2024 10:58

It’s not a disabled toilet, it’s an accessible toilet. Maybe mind your own business.

nellythe · 22/12/2024 10:58

Scabetty · 22/12/2024 10:55

These are accessible toilets not just for people with disability. They are gender neutral and have baby changing facilities. Why are people so concerned that it is affecting disability rights. I need a piss, I go where there is a toilet free.

“I need a piss, I go where there is a toilet free.”

Meanwhile a disabled person who desperately needs those facilities has to wait. Why do you think you have the moral high ground?

Unless this thread has been shared on some anti-disability & pro-gender neutral group then I’m astounded by the comments on here.

MumblesParty · 22/12/2024 10:57

AlmostAJillSandwich · 22/12/2024 10:54

What if using a sign gendered bathroom causes them genuine mental distress?

If they don't identify as either gender, they'll feel they're in the "wrong" bathroom whichever of the single occupancy toilets they go in. If they choose the "female" toilet, they may feel like that means they're declaring themself to be female, which given how they feel in their body at not feeling they are female, causes mental distress. Same thing if they go in the "male" labelled toilet.

It also leads to gender critical people like yourself feeling they have some right to express their opinion, and they can be very nasty and agressive. Do you know how many non binary or trans people get attacked or verbally abused over toilet usage by others thinking they're in the "wrong" bathroom? They absolutely cannot win.

What should be argued, is that the signage for the single occupancy bathrooms be labelled "unisex" or just "toilet", since people are using them interchangeably anyways. Then, your non binary colleague won't have need to use the accessible toilet, as the staff toilets are non binary toilets.

IF that happened and they still only used the accessible toilet and not the unisex staff toilets, then maybe there would be arguement it was attention seeking/ a blatant statement. Or, they may just actually be disabled and not wanting to share that.

@AlmostAJillSandwich of course they know what sex they are. It’s just attention seeking drama. They should just stop being a baby and go into the correct toilet.

SapphireSeptember · 22/12/2024 10:57

@Hairyesterdaygonetoday It annoys me enough that the baby changing unit and the disabled toilet are often one and the same. (In my GP's it's the disabled loo, baby changing unit and the woman's loo all in one. 🤦🏻‍♀️) I have a baby, for clarification. Saying that disabled loos are 'gender neutral' so someone who's 'non-binary' and not disabled should be allowed to use it is stupid.

Lovelyview · 22/12/2024 10:57

Op I'm gender critical but I think this is the best solution for your workplace. When I received equality training many years ago it was suggested that these are accessible toilets not 'disabled' toilets and they're there for people who couldn't use the other toilets for any reason. It may help to think of them like that.

niadainud · 22/12/2024 10:57

AlmostAJillSandwich · 22/12/2024 10:54

What if using a sign gendered bathroom causes them genuine mental distress?

If they don't identify as either gender, they'll feel they're in the "wrong" bathroom whichever of the single occupancy toilets they go in. If they choose the "female" toilet, they may feel like that means they're declaring themself to be female, which given how they feel in their body at not feeling they are female, causes mental distress. Same thing if they go in the "male" labelled toilet.

It also leads to gender critical people like yourself feeling they have some right to express their opinion, and they can be very nasty and agressive. Do you know how many non binary or trans people get attacked or verbally abused over toilet usage by others thinking they're in the "wrong" bathroom? They absolutely cannot win.

What should be argued, is that the signage for the single occupancy bathrooms be labelled "unisex" or just "toilet", since people are using them interchangeably anyways. Then, your non binary colleague won't have need to use the accessible toilet, as the staff toilets are non binary toilets.

IF that happened and they still only used the accessible toilet and not the unisex staff toilets, then maybe there would be arguement it was attention seeking/ a blatant statement. Or, they may just actually be disabled and not wanting to share that.

Gender critical people do have the right to express their opinion, as does everyone else in this country.

However I agree with you that changing the signage would be a simple solution.

FrannieY · 22/12/2024 10:57

They're actually called accessible toilets, not disabled toilets and, tbh, it's none of your business unless you're disabled or have other needs where you need to use the accessible toilet yourself and are being put out by having to wait for others to finish using the facilities.

Some of these units have a sign stressing that, whilst they're accessible and available to everyone, priority should be given to disabled people

ManhattanPopcorn · 22/12/2024 10:56

I can't for the life of me figure why this bothers you so much.

Do they take a really long time while there's a long queue of elderly or disabled people left waiting outside the door?

Hoppinggreen · 22/12/2024 10:56

SapphireSeptember · 22/12/2024 10:51

Of course they know what bloody sex they are! Male or female, it's not hard. If they have a DSD (unlikely) then they'll still know what sex they are.

@DefendingPan YANBU, they're not disabled and they don't need to use the baby changing unit, they should be using the correct toilet for their sex.

Some people DO seem confused about their sex and don't believe its as simple as looking in the mirror naked.

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