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Mother in law thinks formula is poison

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curiouslycoy · 21/12/2024 11:58

I am now combi feeding my 12 week old.

Have to face mother in law next week and DH suggested we just sneak around hiding formula and making it upstairs out of view pretending I am feeding up there.

I am at the point where I don't see why I should have to, it's my baby, my decision but I know it's going to go down like a lead balloon.

We have another DC and last time we did sneak around with formula as only 2 feeds over night were foruma, but this time it's also one morning feed and one afternoon feed.

I didn't continue EBF for a number of reasons and am much, much happier as a result.

How do I handle this? She is mid 70s incredibly old fashioned views and makes no secret of how much she hates it. Borderline refused to ever look after DC1 as couldn't bring herself to prepare formula.....

No mum wants to be judged and I know I will be and by her much older daughter whose children are grown up but breastfed her DCs until they were over 1.

For the record DC1 was almost EBF for 12 weeks with supplement of formula towards the end, then was combi fed until 5 months before EFF.

DC2 was EBF for 7 weeks then the 10/11pm feed became formula followed by 5/6pm feed and now 10am feed. BF at 7am, 2pm and 4am.

I intend to keep up at least 1 BF feed until DC is 5 months like DC1.

How do I handle this? Give my list of excuses, sneak around or just say it's my choice and shut it down. Any other suggestions? Or AIBU to even combi feed my baby who is still so young in any case?

OP posts:
HocusFord · 21/12/2024 22:15

Definitely don’t sneak around. If she says anything at all it’s your husband’s job to say ‘we’re happy with our decision and there is no need to discuss it’, and nauseam until she winds her neck in.

teatoast8 · 21/12/2024 22:13

IamnotwhouthinkIam · 21/12/2024 22:08

Why do I think this was useful? Because I was in virtually the same position as you with the mixed feeding (except for that I was trying to pump, breast and bottle feed every two hours as a single mother to a baby with reflux and colic and didn’t have a DH to help) and was trying to show sympathy and that it can get easier. I had a lot a support from Mumsnet to try to make my life easier by encouraging me to push through to EBF so I wouldn’t have the extra work , even though I thought I should mix feed - and I appreciated their help. I was trying to help you by (lightheartedly) telling you what worked for me and making a joke of that awful time now I’m finally past it and that eventually you will be too.

And I don’t see how awful I was being by saying that your MIL is wrong to criticise you as different things are right for different people. But next time I won’t bother - if you are determined to see people in a negative light, I can’t help you 🤷‍♀️ Tbh it now makes me wonder if your MIL really is that awful… or if you are making assumptions about her like you have for me.

I could see you were trying to help. Formula is a faff. I did it for a bit due to allergies. Glad back to EBF

IamnotwhouthinkIam · 21/12/2024 22:08

curiouslycoy · 21/12/2024 21:32

Why do you think this is useful. Telling me how awful preparing bottles was for you, when you know I prepare bottles for my 3 month old and have another 9 months of this journey left.

Why do I think this was useful? Because I was in virtually the same position as you with the mixed feeding (except for that I was trying to pump, breast and bottle feed every two hours as a single mother to a baby with reflux and colic and didn’t have a DH to help) and was trying to show sympathy and that it can get easier. I had a lot a support from Mumsnet to try to make my life easier by encouraging me to push through to EBF so I wouldn’t have the extra work , even though I thought I should mix feed - and I appreciated their help. I was trying to help you by (lightheartedly) telling you what worked for me and making a joke of that awful time now I’m finally past it and that eventually you will be too.

And I don’t see how awful I was being by saying that your MIL is wrong to criticise you as different things are right for different people. But next time I won’t bother - if you are determined to see people in a negative light, I can’t help you 🤷‍♀️ Tbh it now makes me wonder if your MIL really is that awful… or if you are making assumptions about her like you have for me.

SouthLondonMum22 · 21/12/2024 21:55

curiouslycoy · 21/12/2024 21:32

Why do you think this is useful. Telling me how awful preparing bottles was for you, when you know I prepare bottles for my 3 month old and have another 9 months of this journey left.

Get a perfect prep machine (or 2, I had one upstairs and downstairs) and if he isn’t fussy about bottles, mam bottles are self sterilising in the microwave and so easy to use.

I have formula fed since birth and I’m currently formula feeding twins. It isn’t awful for me at all.

BIossomtoes · 21/12/2024 21:38

curiouslycoy · 21/12/2024 21:32

Why do you think this is useful. Telling me how awful preparing bottles was for you, when you know I prepare bottles for my 3 month old and have another 9 months of this journey left.

Ignore it. Making and sterilising bottles is hardly onerous. I had a breast refuser who adored a bottle. He slept through the night at four weeks and was the most chilled baby imaginable. Look at all the adults you know and you can’t tell whether they were breast or bottle fed and it doesn’t matter.

curiouslycoy · 21/12/2024 21:32

IamnotwhouthinkIam · 21/12/2024 20:13

YANBU to feed your child however suits you (provided it is safe obvs) and to ignore whatever MIL says. But personally I think you are mad - mixed feeding is a hassle and the worst of both worlds for the parents imo 🤣 You go through all the (sometimes extreme) difficulty of establishing breastfeeding (sore nipples, irregular supply, latch issues, sudden let down etc etc) , only to then have the extra hassle and expense of sterilising bottles, purchasing formula and and always remembering to bring it with you too!

I really really struggled to breastfeed and had to mix feed for the first 6 or 7 weeks. Can’t tell you what a relief it was to finally be able to stop formula feeding and EBF. DS reflux and tummy issues eased a lot (I think breast milk has health benefits up until they are about 2 years old?) and it was so much easier to stick him on the breast if he was hungry when we were out or if he was poorly or overtired - instant comfort for him (in fact I’m currently breastfeeding my 2 and a half year old to sleep as I type - he’s full of cold and miserable so wants the comfort ).

But, again YANBU to do what suits you and your child best - what suits some, isn’t going to suit everybody (as your MIL should be aware).

Why do you think this is useful. Telling me how awful preparing bottles was for you, when you know I prepare bottles for my 3 month old and have another 9 months of this journey left.

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IamnotwhouthinkIam · 21/12/2024 20:13

YANBU to feed your child however suits you (provided it is safe obvs) and to ignore whatever MIL says. But personally I think you are mad - mixed feeding is a hassle and the worst of both worlds for the parents imo 🤣 You go through all the (sometimes extreme) difficulty of establishing breastfeeding (sore nipples, irregular supply, latch issues, sudden let down etc etc) , only to then have the extra hassle and expense of sterilising bottles, purchasing formula and and always remembering to bring it with you too!

I really really struggled to breastfeed and had to mix feed for the first 6 or 7 weeks. Can’t tell you what a relief it was to finally be able to stop formula feeding and EBF. DS reflux and tummy issues eased a lot (I think breast milk has health benefits up until they are about 2 years old?) and it was so much easier to stick him on the breast if he was hungry when we were out or if he was poorly or overtired - instant comfort for him (in fact I’m currently breastfeeding my 2 and a half year old to sleep as I type - he’s full of cold and miserable so wants the comfort ).

But, again YANBU to do what suits you and your child best - what suits some, isn’t going to suit everybody (as your MIL should be aware).

NINP · 21/12/2024 19:52

I’m with your MIL on this, but hopefully I wouldn’t let it show like she does.

Honeycrisp · 21/12/2024 19:48

As so often in these cases, you have both a DH and an MIL problem.

I wouldn't be going round there, but also I'd tell whatever lie about feeding would piss her off most. The only way to deal with this sort of person is to be belligerent, so be creative. Maybe tell her you persuaded all your friends to stop breastfeeding too, or that baby is fully on solids because your breastmilk isn't enough? You know her, you'll know what would best do the job.

A DH this pathetic will be a harder problem to solve, sadly.

SparkyBlue · 21/12/2024 19:42

If you feel this is genuinely how mil and sil will carry on do you have to go there? No way would I go and stay there if my husband expected me to sneak around while feeding my baby. I wouldn’t tolerate this at all. And now my own DC are older and I'm well past the baby stage you really do see how utterly ludicrous the whole breast v bottle nonsense is.

MySweetGeorgina · 21/12/2024 18:13

Your DH is a proper coward if THIS was his suggestion to lighten your metal load

If he normally quite weak spined?

He needs to tell his mum in a calm and friendly manner to cut out the tutting and judgement

He needs to stand up for you

If he has a spine

But he sounds a bit weak and pathetic here tbh

user98786 · 21/12/2024 18:05

She could be right tbh. Read about UPFs

but you have to do what you have to do

Toopulululu · 21/12/2024 18:03

I can’t believe you’re proposing sneaking around like this.

There is nothing wrong with formula.

And it’s got absolutely fuck all to do with your MIL.

If she even mentioned it I’d shut her down immediately.

Onlycoffee · 21/12/2024 17:59

Does your DH avoid conflict in every day life or just with his mother?

It's your baby, your house, your family life, no one should be judging or even commenting on your parenting choices.

If mil/sil say anything your DH needs to tell them they are being rude and it's not acceptable.

DelphiniumBlue · 21/12/2024 17:54

DH needs to say sometime before the visit,
"Mum you know CC was a bit upset about your comments to her about giving DC1 formula. I'm so proud of her for continuing BF DC2 in spite of all the problems she's had with it, and I thought I'd flag up now that it is being topped up with formula. Please don't comment on it to her, as I don't want her upset again."

flyinghen · 21/12/2024 17:53

oakleaffy · 21/12/2024 16:08

Why bother breast feeding at all if you want to use formula?
If you can breast feed, why bother with manufacturers mixes?

OP didn't ask to be questioned on her choices

flyinghen · 21/12/2024 17:50

RandomMess · 21/12/2024 12:04

DH tells them that if there is any judgement or criticism then they can leave.

I agree with this, bye MIL

She sounds awful! Definitely don't hide!!

Autumnblackberries · 21/12/2024 17:44

She's be getting it loud from me.
"I'm so glad I made this choice MIL"
"DH is able to share the load with me and he's so caring with it"
"Baby is so much more settled now"
"We are all so much more peaceful now we've settled into a good feeding routine WITH FORUMLA"
etc etc

pointythings · 21/12/2024 17:43

@VegTrug just because someone is a professor that doesn't mean he can't be wrong. In this case, he is.

Tired88p85 · 21/12/2024 17:38

VegTrug · 21/12/2024 16:07

Do NOT go!!!! You know it's going to end in tears, most likely your own.

Just to reassure you, when baby DD was seeing her consultant (Professor) and I mentioned that I'd had to change to formula due to my (essential) medication, he said to me that modern formula such as Aptamil Gold for example, is in many ways, more advanced than breast milk.
Unless the mother is living on a diet containing nothing besides mountains of fresh fish, tonnes of seeds and raw veg etc. Plus formula these days contain added DHA & ARA for immunity, omega 3 oils, ProBiotics and Iron alongside all the vitamins & minerals they need.

Whereas breastmilk, although it contains the mother's immunity, as far as nutrients are concerned it only contains a reflection of the mother's diet and most adults in the UK are deficient in many vitamins, especially vitamin D. He also said that any supplements a mother takes don't usually cross into breastmilk which I was surprised at.

I'm sure I'll get replies declaring this to be 'nonsense' but I'll take the highly well regarded Professor's word for it on this occasion.

@VegTrug that professor is stuck in the 80s when this was a common view. Science has moved on. This is complete nonsense.

Tired88p85 · 21/12/2024 17:36

WhereYouLeftIt · 21/12/2024 15:07

I think your DH should have an honest conversation with her, preferably before you visit. And the conversation should include that he fully supports you, that he actually suggested it, AND definitely that if she behaves badly about it that you will be packing up and leaving.

She can feel however she wants about formula. She cannot attempt to make you feel bad about what works best for you.

This. I wouldn't leave it until you see her as you don't want an argument on the day. And she needs to know that if she starts being judgy, you will walk out.

Scirocco · 21/12/2024 17:34

oakleaffy · 21/12/2024 16:08

Why bother breast feeding at all if you want to use formula?
If you can breast feed, why bother with manufacturers mixes?

There are many reasons people might combi feed.

For example, my DC was primarily breastfed but had some formula. Those formula feeds meant DH could take DC out and I could sleep for a few hours at a time and not feel like I was going to die from exhaustion. They helped a lot. DC needed a lot of milk, and I physically couldn't express or stay awake without sleep enough to meet that need 100% of the time.

jellybe · 21/12/2024 17:25

VegTrug · 21/12/2024 16:07

Do NOT go!!!! You know it's going to end in tears, most likely your own.

Just to reassure you, when baby DD was seeing her consultant (Professor) and I mentioned that I'd had to change to formula due to my (essential) medication, he said to me that modern formula such as Aptamil Gold for example, is in many ways, more advanced than breast milk.
Unless the mother is living on a diet containing nothing besides mountains of fresh fish, tonnes of seeds and raw veg etc. Plus formula these days contain added DHA & ARA for immunity, omega 3 oils, ProBiotics and Iron alongside all the vitamins & minerals they need.

Whereas breastmilk, although it contains the mother's immunity, as far as nutrients are concerned it only contains a reflection of the mother's diet and most adults in the UK are deficient in many vitamins, especially vitamin D. He also said that any supplements a mother takes don't usually cross into breastmilk which I was surprised at.

I'm sure I'll get replies declaring this to be 'nonsense' but I'll take the highly well regarded Professor's word for it on this occasion.

Sorry but that is bollox. Formula is not the same as breast milk and is not better. Breast milk is a living source of food that adapts to the baby's needs etc. gives them antibodies develops their gut health and so on. formula is a good second and is a valid choice for anyone for any reason they want to use it but please don't go spouting rubbish that isn't true.

jellybe · 21/12/2024 17:20

I would get there. Put all my formula bits, bottles, steriliser etc. in the kitchen. Then if she says anything or gives me the eye roll etc. I would call her out on it. I would make it clear that she does not get a say in how I feed my children and if she has a problem with me being happy and healthy then we can go home.

teatoast8 · 21/12/2024 16:32

VegTrug · 21/12/2024 16:07

Do NOT go!!!! You know it's going to end in tears, most likely your own.

Just to reassure you, when baby DD was seeing her consultant (Professor) and I mentioned that I'd had to change to formula due to my (essential) medication, he said to me that modern formula such as Aptamil Gold for example, is in many ways, more advanced than breast milk.
Unless the mother is living on a diet containing nothing besides mountains of fresh fish, tonnes of seeds and raw veg etc. Plus formula these days contain added DHA & ARA for immunity, omega 3 oils, ProBiotics and Iron alongside all the vitamins & minerals they need.

Whereas breastmilk, although it contains the mother's immunity, as far as nutrients are concerned it only contains a reflection of the mother's diet and most adults in the UK are deficient in many vitamins, especially vitamin D. He also said that any supplements a mother takes don't usually cross into breastmilk which I was surprised at.

I'm sure I'll get replies declaring this to be 'nonsense' but I'll take the highly well regarded Professor's word for it on this occasion.

What a load of rubbish. Breastmilk is more nutritional than formula and better for baby!

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